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    4 points for a win.
    2 points for a draw.
    0 points for a loss.

    So, Sigurd, if "giant killer" SV Mattersburg wins three times in a row, it will have accumulated 12 points, in contrast with the 9 points it would have today. SK Sturm Graz, drawing three times in a row, would gain 6 points instead of 3.

    The difference between both teams remains six points in both formulas - however - in the system you propose SK Sturm Graz would only need two win games to make it passed SV Mattersburg, if the latter loses two times in a row, whereas SV Mattersburg needs two victories in the current format just to climb next to SK Sturm Graz.

    Clever, Sigurd. I like the idea, hang on to it - it promotes winning/offensive football. Whoever said you don't learn a thing in law school?

    1 bonus point for scoring 3 or more goals
    Charming, ... but I find the bonus too big, plus, this proposal serves the top teams/status quo. True, it motivates every team to go for that third or fourth goal, but how many teams are capable of doing that once every month in their national competitions? Only the best teams...

    1 bonus point for losing by one goal only.
    ...and the losers will gain... nothing!

    Another option would be to introduce compulsory penalty kicks in the case of a draw, with a scoring system of 3-2-1-0, as it is being tried in several Ice Hockey formats.
    Hmm, in the USA, people don't like games to end in a draw. I can understand that, but I've no problem with sharing the points or 'going for a draw'. And some games just don't deserve a winner.

    If I could only change one thing about football, it would involve stopping the clock (like in basketball) when the game is delayed by a foul, substitution, etc., etc.,... A team trying to win time (or breaking the opponent's momentum) is so annoying/nerve wrecking to watch, especially if your own team is a goal down. And lying on the ground and faking an injury for several minutes would become totally useless.

    Right now, the ball is only in play for only 60 minutes out of 90, I'd like to get rid of 'extra time', and play the full 90 minutes instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Clever, Sigurd. I like the idea, hang on to it - it promotes winning/offensive football. Whoever said you don't learn a thing in law school?
    Things come to you when you're no longer in Law school. Ever since I've taken down the Linguistic route, I've been more philosophical.

    Charming, ... but I find the bonus too big, plus, this proposal serves the top teams/status quo. True, it motivates every team to go for that third or fourth goal, but how many teams are capable of doing that once every month in their national competitions? Only the best teams...
    Not necessarily. Sometimes, a lower-ranked team would be ahead by two goals or perhaps three and still lose the game to the better side. In this system, they might still be rewarded with a point.

    In the 2008/09 season, SCR Altach was relegated from top-flight despite having scored 56 goals - whilst conceding 90. 59 goals (46 conceded) were enough to gain Austria Vienna 3rd place; 54 goals were in 1999/00 enough to ensure my team (FC Wacker Innsbruck, then temporarily known as FC Tirol Innsbruck) their 8th national title; strange isn't it?

    Altach had a few of those games, for instance. They were leading 2:0 against Salzburg after 59 minutes. Janko, then in the form of his life had just been subbed on, and scored a hat trick within 7 minutes to make a score-line of 2:3 - then Altach scored a quick equaliser, before Janko scored his fourth goal to make it 3:4. Under my system they would have been rewarded with 2 points for their brave fight against a higher-ranked team, who would have in turn been rewarded with the maximum 5 points for their comeback.

    LASK Linz also had something like that in this past 2009/10 season. Up until the winter, they played offensive football - but with a lacking defense. The incredible first 15 scorelines last season:

    4:0, 4:5, 2:3, 4:0, 1:4, 4:2, 3:3, 3:1, 2:5, 2:2, 2:3, 0:3, 0:0, 2:7, 3:3

    In the actual season, they were at this time ranked 7th with 16 points (4-4-7). Here, they would have been ranked higher, by virtue of bonus points...

    24 + 10 = 34 pts.

    Here is what the league would have looked like in case of bonus points at the time :

    1. Rapid 9-4-2 53 (44+9)
    2. Salzburg 9-4-2 52 (44+8)
    3. Austria 9-2-4 49 (40+9)
    4. Sturm 8-3-4 45 (38+7)
    5. Ried 6-5-4 40 (34+6)
    6. LASK 4-4-7 34 (24+10)
    7. Mattersburg 6-0-9 30 (24+6)
    8. Wr. Neustadt 4-3-8 28 (22+6)
    9. Kapfenberg 4-2-9 26 (20+6)
    10. Kärnten 1-3-11 13 (10+3)

    Here is what it actually looked like:

    1. Rapid 31
    2. Salzburg 31
    3. Austria 29
    4. Sturm 27
    5. Ried 23
    6. Mattersburg 18
    7. LASK 16
    8. Wr. Neustadt 15
    9. Kapfenberg 14
    10. Kärnten 6


    ...and the losers will gain... nothing!
    Yes, this bonus point rewards: either offensive play by the losers (scorelines such as 2:3 or 3:4) or almost excellent defensive play (scoreline 0:1) by the losers.

    If I could only change one thing about football, it would involve stopping the clock (like in basketball) when the game is delayed by a foul, substitution, etc., etc.,...
    Not completely, but the referee should have the option, and use it during serious injury, before penalties after goals have been scored, and during substitution. But not for every delay, such as throw-ins or the likes. Not before free-kicks either.

    Another idea I quite liked was the possible introduction of a sin-bin for yellow-cards where the cautioned player has to sit out for let's say 5 or 10 minutes.
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    Right, after my points system, the Austrian league would have had a different champion this year.

    And you are right, it would have been Rapid Vienna, by far the most offensive team in the league (goal difference of 80:36, compared with 68:27 for Salzburg and 60:34 for Austria Vienna). In truth, they only came third. Austria Vienna would not have capitalised as much on their 1:0- run in the spring season; I believe they had a total of 12 or 13 1:0-results in 36 games, including the 34th & 35th round games against Rapid and Salzburg, which made for a three-way-battle entering the last game in the first place...!

    Mattersburg would not have come 6th but 8th, little afloat of Kapfenberg (6 points - 8 in reality!), with LASK and Ried finishing a position higher than they eventually did.

    1. Rapid 36 21-10-5 124 (104+20)
    2. Salzburg 36 22-10-4 121 (108+13)
    3. Austria 36 23-6-7 117 (104+13)
    4. Sturm 36 16-10-10 97 (84+13)
    5. Wr. Neustadt 36 13-8-15 83 (68+15)
    6. LASK 36 9-13-14 78 (62+16)
    7. Ried 36 10-8-18 71 (56+15)
    8. Mattersburg 36 12-5-19 69 (58+11)
    9. Kapfenberg 36 8-9-19 63 (50+13)
    10. Kärnten 36 2-9-25 35 (26+9)

    The actual final table was - well, quite different.

    1. Salzburg 36 22-10-4 76
    2. Austria 36 23-6-7 75
    3. Rapid 36 21-10-5 73
    4. Sturm 36 16-10-10 58
    5. Wr. Neustadt 36 13-8-15 47
    6. Mattersburg 36 12-5-19 41
    7. LASK 36 9-13-14 40
    8. Ried 36 10-8-18 38
    9. Kapfenberg 36 8-9-19 33
    10. Kärnten 36 2-9-25 15

    Either way, my system would arguably favour draws over victories, but it would be most favourable to high-scoring victories, high-scoring loses and high-scoring draws, both of which would demand offensive football.
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    Oh yea technology definitely, chips on both player and ball, so you know when players are offside or if the ball went over the line [not that it would matter in England’s case lols]

    Points for goals? That way teams will need to score as much as possible. I am not sure if it would work for cup competitions, but for leagues it could make the games more interesting.

    Offside; change it so that the offside player can pass the ball back to a player who is onside. This would open up the game quite a lot by braking the back four line.
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    Have an offside area 1/3rd the size of the pitch done in an arc centred at the middle of the goal.

    Less games during the season ~ in England especially, so that players don’t get burned out.

    A greater ratio of players from the nationality of the league ~ so that leagues and national teams are more unique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tirannis View Post
    Offside; change it so that the offside player can pass the ball back to a player who is onside. This would open up the game quite a lot by braking the back four line.
    You already have something similar enough to that already. That is, it is not offside if the recipient player is behind the passing player. This is part of the reason why you can't possibly be offside from a corner-kick, and it's how Germany's 2:0 was allowed today.

    Or
    Have an offside area 1/3rd the size of the pitch done in an arc centred at the middle of the goal.
    1) You'd have much of a problem with quick counter-attacks who would almost never be offside.

    2) You already have a rule, which is that essentially the offside area is 1/2 of the pitch. You cannot be offside if you're still within your own half of the pitch at the time the ball is played.
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    You already have something similar enough to that already. That is, it is not offside if the recipient player is behind the passing player. This is part of the reason why you can't possibly be offside from a corner-kick, and it's how Germany's 2:0 was allowed today.
    Yea I am more thinking of in general play, so that you can kick the ball to an offside player, as long as he passes it back to an onside player without taking it forwards.

    Germany were brilliant again today weren’t they, I like to turn the surround sound up real loud during the national anthem to please the neighbours lols, although my mate next door likes the germans too.

    1) You'd have much of a problem with quick counter-attacks who would almost never be offside.
    Yea so the defending team would have to keep some players back ~ open the game up. More goals all round and both teams have the same benefit.

    What about the points for goals?

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    More physical contact allowed, and a corresponding end to flopping. Allowing more physical play would allow some of us bigger guys to make a difference on the pitch, as we could bowl over the smaller strikers.

    Get rid of the yellow card rules that prevent a player from playing in the next game (like what just happened to Müller today).

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    More physical contact allowed, and a corresponding end to flopping. Allowing more physical play would allow some of us bigger guys to make a difference on the pitch, as we could bowl over the smaller strikers.
    Yup, bring back the shoulder barge. …and a football which is the footballers preference rather than an oversized ping pong ball.

    Get rid of the yellow card rules that prevent a player from playing in the next game (like what just happened to Müller today).
    Yes definitely, the game is for entertainment and we want to see the good players on the pitch.

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    bahh

    The weaklings and "moviestars" should be given the red card at once... Im so tired of "fotballplayers" acting like they get hurt... They also should use advanced equipment, videojugement, to avoid crappy desicions like in the england vs germany fight.

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    I agree drottin, but would rather see players go off for 10 minutes, or at worst a player gets replaced [forced substitution].

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