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    Why Do Christans Place Their Churches on Top of Important Places?

    Why do Christians put their churches on top of important Viking sites? Is it just another confirmation of how weak this import religion is? Should we demolish all the churches that are located so shameful?

    There is no doubt in my mind why they did, they feared Norse faith. Those who adopted Christianity were also traitors, who murdered and forced the people below them. They forbade all our traditions, and dissolved the society as it once was, to what we have today ... A society ruled by idiots, corrupt politicians and Christians fools, where criminals pigs and losers do what they want.

    When I think of it as I must say that I like every church that is burned down to the ground. Before I felt it was vandalism, but the church itself is the vandalism ..

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    I am not religious in any way but you must realise the historical importance of Christian churches in Germanic countries. These churches were built by our forefathers, in some cases taking generations to finish. The men who laid the foundations didn't live long enough to see the finished product despite spending their lifetimes working on their grand projects. Imagine the awe that was felt by a peasant visiting a city for the first time in the 13th Century and seeing a cathedral towering into the sky above him, in his eyes reaching Heaven itself. Our churches and cathedrals do not just represent Christianity but also the ingenuity and power of our societies in the Middle Ages. You also need to respect the beliefs of our ancestors, even if you don't agree with them. While I agree that Christianity has damaged our society and culture to some extent we can't alter the past nor can we erase two thousand years of history. Destroying churches helps no one, it just harms our own culture and heritage. It also does nothing for our cause.

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    I agree with FG, in a perfect society, the modern churches have no place, but we should do our best to keep the old ones, especially the old stave churches who are based on pagan temples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drottin
    Why do Christians put their churches on top of important Viking sites? Is it just another confirmation of how weak this import religion is?
    The Viking sites are indeed chosen for a purpose. A letter from the sixth century from the Pope to a German missionary ordered that churches have to be build on original holy sites, because it were the places where people went to. The idea was, when the original site or (more rarely) temples were replaced by churches, the people would still come there, because it wouldnt cease to be a holy site for them.

    Many churches were built over, or even with runestones (like Ryssby church in Sweden f.e.), other churches occupy ritual or Thing places, that is why churches often are found in the center of a village. The incorporation of runestones or wooden pieces of heathen temples was supposed to give the people a feeling of connectness.

    This intentional behavior of placing churches makes pretty clear that the goal never was a peaceful co-existence but was from the start a hostile act. That so much of our original culture survived, specially in the northern regions, is due to a internal church structure problem.

    Right from the beginning of christianisation there have been countless subsects, and among them the most prominent one the Benedictinians. These monks had a conduct of wanting the people to convince of the new religion, and they were very curious about the original cults and culture where they came to (The Book of Kells f.e. was written by Benedictinian monks and many other of the good sources we have as well). The most missionaries until around the 9th century were Benedictianians, which in turn resulted in a very low conversation rate.

    With the brutal act of Charlemagne a change in conduct, ordered by the Roman Pope, came about. Missionaries were from now on chosen from other sects, to fasten the process of conversions. Luckily for the northern parts of Europe the several subsects defended their own spheres of influence, so that the rather brutal way of conversion reached Scandinavia only around the year 1000, while to that time the more southern parts of Germany, in the west to France and the east to Bohemia were already largely converted. Like the Svea and Danes the Frisians though still fought against the forced conversion until well into the 15th century. And laws from even later, until well into the late 18th century which prohibite one or another heathen practice, are proof that the conversion never really completed. Only the industrial revolution and the large scale urbanisation made the conversion - nominally - complete. With the 1848 revolution and the introduction of constitutional monarchy also a state's religion was set, and it is this paper act which made Europe christian.
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    The fault that old heathen sites were desecrated isnt really the churches fault, it's powerhungry men who were responsible. Christianity has a long history in Europe, it was here it blossemed, not in the desert regions.
    If we were still living in the viking age we would not have a advanced writing system (the runes arnt good for writing long texts), and if it wasnt for christians we would not have the sagas or other important books from those days. Why does people have more against christianity than with liberalism and comsumerism?

    Would suggest to read For My Legionaries by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu. Even though I am no christian I can see that christianity has built up Europe and it has been a tradition here for a thousand years. I know it was largely forced on us, but the vikings were pretty known for settling things with the sword too.
    In Trøndelag on Lade gård (which is mentioned in the sagas, the Ladejarls (Lade earls) ruled from there) there was a big hov (also mentioned in written sources). Now in that place there is a old stone church. Closeby there has been found burial mounds from the viking age. This was a important area in the viking times, the Ormen Lange ship was built there for example.

    Most Germanics are christians, we shouldnt push them away from us. We are already much divided. Maybe this is a tactis from the jews, divide and rule. Anti-christianity wouldnt get us anywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drottin View Post
    When I think of it as I must say that I like every church that is burned down to the ground. Before I felt it was vandalism, but the church itself is the vandalism ..
    I would consider anyone who would do this in my village a traitor. There is no excuse for such an act.

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    To keep the churches because someone has spent time on them .. You take no care of a rotten house because if someone has spent time on it ..

    The Vikings had a well-functioning system of writing and speech. In fact they have one of the best systems on earth. The fact that a Christian has written sagas do not matter in this context. Should we keep a rotten faith created by Jews and Arabs because someone wrote the sagas?

    To push the Christians from us is quite naturally. Christianity's the best example of how to push people away or just kill them .. this entire religion's designed to get rid of all others

    I think the only option we have is to get rid of Christianity, it is this faith that has laid the path clear for Islam and Judaism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drottin View Post
    this entire religion's designed to get rid of all others

    I think the only option we have is to get rid of Christianity, it is this faith that has laid the path clear for Islam and Judaism.
    Your post doesn't make any sence. First you claim that it's in Christianity's nature to remove all other religions and than you claim that it was Christianity that brought those religions here.

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    Answer

    In my world jews, arabs and christians all have the same religion. First came the Tora, then the bible and now it is the Quaran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir
    If we were still living in the viking age we would not have a advanced writing system (the runes arnt good for writing long texts), and if it wasnt for christians we would not have the sagas or other important books from those days.
    One could say the same about Greek letters, Chinese letters, Hebrew letters, Russian letters, Arabian letters, Mayan letters, Hiroglyphs, you name it; still these characters are used for writing of long books.

    It is a question of being used to, and once the runes had been used for writing books, the characters would have evolved, like any of these character systems evolved over time. Latin characters originally were a very square thing too, there were only upper case letters and almost no roundings, just like runes.

    Like runes, Latin characters originally were only carved into stone or other hard materials. Try to make a nice rounding there with just a hammer and chisel, you will be very thankful that there are only straight lines to carve

    Instead of importing an entire religion and culture replacement program the import of paper would have been a good thing. We used to write on wood or bark, materials that rot fast when not stored properly. Unfortunately. But its not that we didnt write at all, and our languages were highly developed too, so there is no reason to believe that we wouldnt have started to write our own history and sagas in our own languages (instead of Latin or Greek with the Interpretatio Romana which shadowed a lot of information) sooner or later. Probably we really did, but during 1000 years culture fight most of them just are destroyed or lie forever hidden in Vatican library?

    And most of all, we still would have our own culture, if he had pushed out christianity from the start. We just were too nice and tolerant. We should have burnt down every church already in their building phase, before they covered our cultural heritage and holy sites. We should have killed every missionary that tried telling us that our gods are evil demons and creatures of the dark. We literally tolerate us to death.

    It's a bit paradox that those who try to defend their own culture, even if that might seem like a desperate act of vandalism, get slandered for the intolerance that would also safe us from the next cultural replacement program Islam, which will not be "Germanised" but will Islamise everything and eradicate every trace of European culture.

    And I have a hard time to consider Cathedrals positive (although I like Gothic building style a lot), knowing that during the building phase hundreds of people starved around, because they were seized of their harvests and cattle to feed the workers, taxes were imposed on top to finance the import of finest Italian marble and tons of gold to glorify a Jewish hippie. And since these houses of terror solely served to (Latin) masses that anyway noone understood and to demonstrate the power of the church, I dont consider them an important part of my cultural heritage.
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