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    "Black Christianity" - Isn't It Ironic?

    Hello. For once I want to diverge off from the greater topic about our folk, and talk about this thing known as "Black Christianity." Christianity followed by black people. Whenever I see or hear a black person defending Christianity, whether it be in real life, on television, on the internet, ect... I have to really stop and think about what is their pretext to defending Christianity. Because I've had my fair share in studying in history, secular and biblical, and whenever I see a black in defense of the Christian faith, I have to really wonder if they understand the historical (both secular and biblical) position their people were put in BECAUSE of the Christian religion.

    There is so much slavery in the Bible, after all. For example, in the story of Noah, Noah gets drunk, and his son, Ham, sees him naked, but instead of covering him up, he pokes fun at him. Noah's other two sons, Japheth and Shem were the ones who covered him up, and when Noah found out what Ham did, he cursed Ham's son, Canaan, to be the slave to Japheth and Shem. Now, we know this about the Bible, how it attempts to answer where all the different people of the Earth come from. Apparently, the blacks come from Ham -- hence the term "Hamitic."

    EDIT: A White southerner interpretation of the story of Noah and Ham is that Ham sodomized his father, Noah, and Noah cursed Ham's son, Canaan, to become black and therefore a slave to Noah's other sons. Another example of White southerner interpretation of the Bible on the justification of slavery is that Cain was cursed to be black, and from Cain blacks all descended. The only problem with that is that all Cain's descendants drowned in the flood.

    Another example would be the fact that the God of the Bible condones slavery.

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
    (Leviticus 25:44-46).

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)

    Also, Paul says:

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5).

    White Southerner plantation owners would use verses like this to justify their enslavement of blacks. So, I have to just really ask, isn't it ironic for blacks to be defending the Christian faith? They fail to comprehend the historical and cultural significance of the religion in relation to them.
    Last edited by Ediruc; Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010 at 05:47 AM. Reason: More info.

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    Black Christians

    I will have to ask my black christian friends about that. We always have the most interesting discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ædiruc View Post
    Another example of White southerner interpretation of the Bible on the justification of slavery is that Cain was cursed to be black, and from Cain blacks all descended. The only problem with that is that all Cain's descendants drowned in the flood.
    That's not necessarily true. We know that Noah's sons had their wives aboard the ark (Genesis 8:16). What if Ham's wife was a descendant of Cain? That would make Ham's descendants heirs to Ham's curse on their father's side and Cain's on their mother's.

    Another example would be the fact that the God of the Bible condones slavery.
    So have most Africans, historically. It's not like Europeans went to Africa and captured free-roaming Africans to enslave them — we bought Africans that other Africans had already enslaved.

    Slaves were common throughout Germanic history as well, and many Germanics were slaves. Tacitus wrote of Germanics gambling themselves into temporary slavery as a point of honor (Germania 24).

    It's not the case that slavery is a uniquely European > African sort of relationship. Slavery demeans no culture — only the enslaved individuals.

    So there's no reason for Africans to reject a religion that condones slavery on ethnic, racial, or cultural grounds — especially since Jesus is their Savior, too.

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    Don't you know that the word Slave is derived from the word Slav. The people from eastern Europe who where enslaved by the Romans.

    Also Africans enslaved their fellow Africans and it was Africans who sold their fellow africans into slavery to the white and arab slave traders who shipped them for sale in the new world and the middle east. And there are still slaves in Africa working for their african masters.

    When it comes to slavery it is not a (pardon the pun) black and white issue.

    Also look at the culture within Europe in the middle ages with the Lords and their serfs? Can anyone really say that the white serfs of Europe where anything but slaves? They where forced to work for their local lord and did not have the freedom to travel without that lord approval.

    Even look at the world today. Who can live independent of the little colored pieces of papar we call money, that we all work for? Aren’t all workers of today nothing but wage slaves dependant on their employer for a living.

    Christianity offers Hope for all men irrespective of their color or social status. Millions of people in the world now live in a slave like state of existence, even if they have been brainwashed into believing they are free.


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    Well, this thread wasn't intended to solely criticize Christianity, but rather the black version and adherents of the Christian religion. The thing is that if blacks feel a need to hold onto their slave history, then why hold onto a religion that was used to justify their enslavement?

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    A friend an I were just discussing slavery the other day. Name one race or peoples that have not been, at one point or another, enslaved.

    http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

    This is just one link out of a few I have came across.

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    I think nowadays blacks are christian because that is an easy access to decent white women. As 'brothas' in Christ there also 'sisters'.

    As before Christ/God everybody is equal. I think that is the most draw toward Christianity, beside that Christianity preaches a lot of slave values (turn the other cheek, give to Caesar what is Caesars, forgive, etc) and therefore excuses their forebares for their status and actually turns a positive ring to it. Even today blackies like to play the victim.

    In the past a lot of whites have been enslaved by africans, though they may not have been pitch black but more arabic in nature. The author of Don Quixote, Cervantes might be the most famous one. It is reported that at one point after a war, that white slaves at Algier were not more worth than an onion. After all that Algerians have been whitened might just have been through white slavery.

    The slavetrade between the arab countries and Africa was exponentially much bigger than the slave trade between the New World and Africa.

    As many white owners didn't like the religion the slaves brought from Africa it might have been clever for blackies to become christian, that might have made life easier.

    It also emulates their former masters and if they are christians too, what then could be the big difference between them and whites? After all they believe the same, believe in the same God and therefore are also children of that God, so to say 'brothas' to the whites on equal footing.

    It is also that most christian blackies emulate white culture in an attempt to be like their former masters. Some sort of Stockholm-Syndrom.

    To come back to the beginning, that might be partly their drive for white women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ædiruc View Post
    Well, this thread wasn't intended to solely criticize Christianity, but rather the black version and adherents of the Christian religion. The thing is that if blacks feel a need to hold onto their slave history, then why hold onto a religion that was used to justify their enslavement?
    Well, as I said, Jesus is their Savior as much as He is ours. They might hold on to the religion because through it they find "the words of eternal life," regardless of how others may have used or abused the tenets of the religion in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    Don't you know that the word Slave is derived from the word Slav. The people from eastern Europe who where enslaved by the Romans.
    The etymology from sclavus (via O. Fr. esclave > first English mention as sclave) is correct, but it had nothing to do with the Romans, who used servus (> serf). Sclavus would instead appear to be first traceable in the 13th century, and is thought to refer to Otto to Great's exploits in Eastern Europe, when he took many Slavs captive. As you might remember, the Medieval was highly Latinate.

    To blur the boundaries of ethnonym and a semantically servative appellativum derived therefrom is not restricted to use for the Slavs, but O.E. had a period where it used the term wealh "Briton", actually "any Gallo-Roman folk" (> e.g. Welsh) as synonymous with a submerged servant. It was less common than þeow (cf. þeowian "to serve") and þræl (cf. thrall), though.

    Sanskrit used the root dasa-, which has been suggested as related to daesyu- "pre-Aryan inhabitant of India".

    The ethnonym Slav, Old Church Slavic словъ, on the other hand, would appear to come from IE root *kleu- "to hear"; when we compare this to names composed with -slav, that particle means "fame". The "a" couldpotentially come from an unaccentuated syllable, potentially in abovementioned composita. (cf. Russian Россию, where the unaccented /o/ is pronounced as [ʌ].

    Indeed, we have O.Ch.S. словенъинъу "a Slav", potentially from слово "speech" = "that which is heard" (again < I.E. *kleu-).
    Last edited by Sigurd; Thursday, June 24th, 2010 at 07:36 PM. Reason: Added the sloveninu/slovo link. ;)
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    I am no scholar of Christianity, Black or otherwise.

    There seem to be four basic types of black Christianity that I have encountered in the USA.
    Immigrant churches that are often in their native language. Traditional clothing/head wear. They often meet in mainstream whit churches at a different time than the morning services.

    The Southern Baptist with singing, clapping and large colorful headdresses/hats.

    The anti-white crusaders. Think reverend White etc. They have some ties to the first but are a seperate offshoot in my opinion.

    The straitlaced Protestant where they do not focus on race so much. The are more open to whites than the others. Usually middle/upper class.
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