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    What Place for English-Speaking Whites in Afrikaners’ Self-Determination?

    What place for English-speaking whites in Afrikaners’ self-determination?

    By Anton Barnard.

    I am sure that the large majority of whites, Afrikaans or English-speaking, would agree that South Africa under ANC rule has become a nightmarish, third-world hell-hole, replete with uneducated tin-pot megalomaniacs screaming down the roads in blue-light convoys, often mowing down innocent pedestrians, corruption, anarchy, decaying infrastructure, rubbish in the streets, heretofore unknown levels of violent crime, as well as the quasi-religion of state racism, known as transformation (a.k.a. ethnic cleansing) aimed against whites in the form of affirmative action and BEE. This black-on-white racism has reached such endemic proportions that Eskom, the state electricity supplier, is importing black Americans to fill posts at Eskom to sit and twiddle their thumbs, rather than deigning to appoint a white South African citizen.

    The mistake many whites made with the coming of South Africa’s so-called democracy in 1994, was to delude ourselves into believing that we were somehow different to all other African hell-holes. We were sadly mistaken, however. The ANC regime is not different at all. It rather has everything in common with Zimbabwe’s Zanu-PF. The deterioration of a formerly orderly and prosperous country loudly attests to this.

    Given the above African reality, self-determination or emigration is the only way of whites to avoid either a Zimabwe situation, or even a Rwanda-type genocide. More than a million whites have left, but what about those who cannot emigrate? Self-determination can also include an independent country, but doesn’t have to do so. The Basques and Catalans in Spain are an example of peoples with a large degree of self-determination, but without an independent country. Section 235 of South Africa’s constitution does make provision for self-determination by ethnic groups. Up to now, the quest for self-determination amongst whites has been almost exclusively driven by Afrikaners. Praag, the Pro-Afrikaans Action Group, is one of the Afrikaner-organizations working towards self-determination.

    Although Praag is by definition an Afrikaans organization, it is also a fact that there are significant numbers of English speakers that support us, or perhaps are united in their opposition to the racist and criminal ANC regime. This piece was prompted by one of the regular contributors to the comments section of the Praag site, who asked questions like:

    Who are the Afrikaners?

    What is the role of English-speaking whites in any effort towards self-determination? (I’m going to abbreviate English-speaking whites as ESWs in the rest of this piece.)

    The first question is the easier one to answer, although it is admittedly not quite that easy in all cases. I will use Wikipedia’s definition:

    Afrikaners or Boers are an Afrikaans speaking ethnic group in Southern Africa. They are mainly of northwestern European descent (mostly Dutch, German and French ancestry), but their native tongue is Afrikaans, a language closely related to Dutch.

    Note that there is a clear mention of ethnicity in the above definition (once again: it isn’t my own definition.) Ethnicity is PC-speak for “white.” In other words: Afrikaners are white, Afrikaans-speaking descendants of European settlers. Politically correct people and liberals may not like a national definition in terms of race, but it is a fact, just like it goes without saying that a true Irishman is a white inhabitant of an island country in the Atlantic Ocean. For those who wonder how to define a white person, I refer them to the ANC regime. Please ask the Afro-fascists of the ANC how they decide against whom to discriminate when it comes to affirmative action. You could even ask a four-year-old, before the adults teach him or her to start lying about the obvious.

    Whilst we’re on the topic, I may as well grasp the nettle of the coloured question too. In certain circles, for example the liberal Afrikaans-speaking media, it is considered politically correct to group Afrikaans-speaking coloureds with Afrikaners and to pretend we somehow form one ethnic group. One particular media group, Naspers, with has gone as far as to even invent an absurd name for this combination: the so-called “Afrikaanses” (sic). This is the equivalent of pretending white Americans and Mexicans are one nation, and calling them: “Amerexicans” or something similar. However, the interesting thing is that this is very much an extremely tiny minority’s opinion, and only the most whisky-soaked Naspers journalist would even consider taking this seriously. Most coloured intellectuals would not see themselves as Afrikaners at all.

    For example: the coloured academic (to any American readers: “coloured” in South Africa refers to mixed-race people, mostly of Malay, Khoisan and white ancestry), professor Jonathan Jansen, goes as far as to deny that there is even an Afrikaner nation at all, by which he bizarrely seems to suggest approximately 3 million Afrikaners all suffer from the same delusion, as opposed to Jansen’s own paranoid delusions. When the formerly Afrikaans-speaking and formerly coloured University of the Western Cape was “democratized” in 1994, they wasted no time in getting rid of Afrikaans. With few exceptions, Afrikaans music, culture, academia and commerce are driven by Afrikaners, not coloureds. Coloured intellectuals are almost united in their preference for English. Whilst I don’t pretend to speak for the coloured community, American-style gangsta culture and hip-hop music seems to hold a bigger appeal to many of them, than does the Afrikaner culture.

    Things aren’t all that simple as saying Afrikaners speak Afrikaans, adhere to an Afrikaner culture and are white, however. Many Afrikaners have intermarried with English-speaking whites. A good example of this is the popular Afrikaner singer Steve Hofmeyr, who, in spite of being passionate about the language, nevertheless married an English wife and is raising his children in English. In addition, some Afrikaners have deliberately chosen to abandon Afrikaans and have voluntarily become English-speaking. A good example of this is the Afrikaner actress, Charlize Theron, who these days sports a pretty passable Californian twang.

    Is Charlize still an Afrikaner?

    The above logically leads to the second question: what, if any, role is there for ESWs if and when Afrikaners achieve self-determination?

    I am not going to dwell on the Anglo-Boer War and the remaining bitterness still being felt in some circles towards the English-speakers. As far as I am concerned, both the Afrikaners and ESWs are currently in the same boat, and should be united against a common enemy, rather than dwelling on the past: the racist ANC regime and its criminal accomplices (if not the ANC’s criminal officials and office bearers.)

    One reality in terms of most ESWs is that there is not such a clear sense of a national identity among ESWs. I’ve yet to hear an ESW describe himself as anything but a South African. However, most sane realists realize by now that there is in fact no such a thing as a South African nation, especially not if you’re white. To call yourself a South African is therefore pretty vague and to my mind an unsatisfactory description. The ANC regime constantly makes it abundantly clear that whites are, in Thabo Mbeki’s immortal words, “settlers who have yet to depart” or “colonialists of a special kind.” If there is a South African nation, as opposed to a geographical area, it is definitely uniformly black, with very little room for whites.

    Perhaps because most ESWs lack a separate national identity, it will of necessity have to be Afrikaners who will lead our own struggle, similar to the ANC’s, to achieve self-determination. Except for a few ESWs who think an independent Western Cape is a good idea, I detect very little separatist thinking amongst ESWs. As for the question as to whether Afrikaners will welcome only Afrikaners into the fold, should we achieve self-determination: there’s no simple answer. I once again refer to the example of Steve Hofmeyr’s children. Are they Afrikaners? Do we do a language test and grant citizenship in an Afrikaner republic to Steve on the basis of that, but not his kids?

    Another question is whether ESWs would like to associate themselves with Afrikaners, even if offered the opportunity.

    It is a fact that ESWs have historically been of a much more liberal persuasion than most Afrikaners. Helen Suzman, with her almost exclusively ESW and Jewish constituency in Johannesburg’s leafy suburbs, was for years the sole liberal member of parliament. Would liberal, northern-suburbs ESWs want to have anything to do with the Afrikaners at all, or are they happy to rearrange the deck chairs on the South African Titanic and flee back to London when the chips are down?

    On the other hand, it is a fact that ESWs are for reasons of ethnicity and intermarriage the closest relations Afrikaners have in Southern Africa. A lot of ESWs no longer have any British roots or relatives. Afrikaners have much more in common with ESWs than with Zulus (or Mongolians), for that matter. A large proportion of the ESWs are equally as disillusioned with the so-called Rainbow Nation as Afrikaners are. They also suffer the same racist discrimination at the hands of the ANC regime as Afrikaners do. Do Afrikaners abandon the ESWs if Rwanda’s genocide becomes South Africa’s reality too?

    If I am really pressed to provide a straight answer as to whether I think Afrikaners should allow ESWs to participate in Afrikaners’ self-determination, and knowing full well many ESWs would have political, cultural and linguistic objections, I would have to say a qualified yes.

    One thing that I think most Afrikaners striving for self-determination agree upon, is that our language and culture are completely non-negotiable. If there is an independent Afrikaner Authority, similar to the Palestinian Authority, or an independent Afrikaner state, Afrikaans will be its sole official language. Nobody wants to control what languages people speak behind closed doors, but all government functions and all state broadcasting will for example be in Afrikaans, finish & klaar. There is in this sense no difference between Afrikaners, the Germans and the French, who also wouldn’t dream of having other languages as their official language. This in and of itself may discourage many ESWs from joining the Afrikaners’ cause. Many of them may rather consider English-speaking countries such as Australia or the UK.

    Does that leave ESWs as mere potential immigrants? I agree with Dr Dan Roodt, the leader of Praag, when he says that any independent Afrikaner Authority or Afrikaner state should apply the same immigration criteria as European countries. Afrikaners, as defined by the definition elsewhere in this document, should in my opinion automatically qualify for citizenship. Anybody else would be free to apply for citizenship, subject to an oath of loyalty and to other criteria like skills, lack of a criminal record, health, education, a waiting period and a language test. All of these are nothing sinister and are in fact exactly the kind of criteria countries like the UK and Germany would apply to prospective immigrants.

    I would personally also say there is a case to be made for extending a once-off offer of asylum or refugee status to ESWs who suffer from racist persecution and crime at the hands of the ANC regime. Afrikaners could certainly not stand idly by if, God forbid, South Africa threatens to become another Rwanda and our ESW brothers are about to suffer a genocide. This should, however, be subject to the understanding that any Afrikaner self-determination or independent state would be of an Afrikaner nature in terms of language and culture, and that refugees would be expected to assimilate and adopt the Afrikaner culture.

    The above will admittedly not appeal to all ESWs, but then they are free to savour the many delights Africa and the so-called Rainbow Nation have in store for those of an unfashionable shade of pigmentation.
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    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Self determination would be great though is it realistic?
    The blacks make little difference between English-speaking whites and Boers, so regardless of their past they should unite.
    Some of the stipulations of this author may alienate ESW, personally I think he should try and be a tad more conciliatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den groda View Post
    The blacks make little difference between English-speaking whites and Boers, so regardless of their past they should unite.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Barnard, via quoted essay
    One thing that I think most Afrikaners striving for self-determination agree upon, is that our language and culture are completely non-negotiable.
    Any "unity" infringing on the above basic requirement is just multiculturalism. In case of Afrikaner self-determination, ESWs will either be a case for assimilation, or not accommodated at all.

    Here an old discussion on the topic: http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=129476

    In addition to the minimum required stipulations as outlined by Anton Barnard, I'd go one step further and say the acceptance of ESWs would have to be regulated in order for the impact of their numbers not to be a potential threat to our ideals of mono-ethnic statehood.

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    Multiculturalism amongst Germanics is not the same as racial others!!

    I know you have been wronged in the past by them but maintaining old grudges isn’t going to help either side. You would be alienating half of all whites!

    I can tell you ESW have been brainwashed for longer than any other group.

    Wouldn’t an autonomous region at least for whites be better than the current situation?

    I just think achieving what you want would be easier if you provided better incentives for ESW.

    When Boers come to Australia I don’t want them to give up their language and culture, we have so much in common and I find their culture no threat to ours. The children of Boers and the children of Anglos in my country are impossible to differentiate and many of the Boer children retain their culture and language. Why wouldn’t something like this be acceptable?

    Even if the official language of your state was Afrikaner would that preclude English being spoken at home?

    Of course it is better to have just one language and culture and I am sure over time it would probably happen anyway, but to start things off I don’t think demanding that ESW no longer speak English etc is going to help.

    Stormraaf most of your compatriots seem to be disagreeing with you and from someone far removed from the situation there I have to say I agree with them.

    I want the Boer people to keep their own language and culture but the best option for doing this I think is through some sort of alliance with the ESW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den groda View Post
    Multiculturalism amongst Germanics is not the same as racial others!!

    I know you have been wronged in the past by them but maintaining old grudges isn’t going to help either side. You would be alienating half of all whites!

    I can tell you ESW have been brainwashed for longer than any other group.

    Wouldn’t an autonomous region at least for whites be better than the current situation?

    I just think achieving what you want would be easier if you provided better incentives for ESW.

    When Boers come to Australia I don’t want them to give up their language and culture, we have so much in common and I find their culture no threat to ours. The children of Boers and the children of Anglos in my country are impossible to differentiate and many of the Boer children retain their culture and language. Why wouldn’t something like this be acceptable?

    Even if the official language of your state was Afrikaner would that preclude English being spoken at home?

    Of course it is better to have just one language and culture and I am sure over time it would probably happen anyway, but to start things off I don’t think demanding that ESW no longer speak English etc is going to help.

    Stormraaf most of your compatriots seem to be disagreeing with you and from someone far removed from the situation there I have to say I agree with them.

    I want the Boer people to keep their own language and culture but the best option for doing this I think is through some sort of alliance with the ESW.
    What you say is true in a sense but we also have a multitude of other ethnicities in SA like the Portuguese. It starts to get more difficult to differentiate which ESW's are desired for assimilation so to speak. Anyway in my opinion the Anglo's to whom the Afrikaner social structure is acceptable and even desirable, would IMO be welcome, they would not have to change their home language. They must just be willing to receive service in Afrikaans from banks, municipality, post office etc. Besides I am yet to meet an Afrikaner who did not at least poses a basic command of the English language sure their accent does not drip with "cosmopolitan flair" but at least you will be able to draw money from a bank teller or pay your electricity bills even if you don't understand Afrikaans. We just want to be first class citizens in our own country, however even under apartheid the ESW's enjoyed all the privileges we Afrikaners had.

    Perhaps there is even a risk that the leadership of a Volkstaat might not make the immigration criteria stringent enough...

    Afrikaans will be the a first language and English will be taught as the second language just like it was under apartheid probably with an option to change English to first language and Afrikaans as second language but Afrikaans in whatever depth must be compulsory, I am sure of this at least...
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Afrikaaner Heimatland

    Lets say an Afrikaaner homeland is successful and the Afrikaaner Republik is established it also becomes a White African Homeland.

    English speaking South Africans and German speaking South Africans for that matter are hardly going to continue to feel anyway safe inside the Zuma style RSA which continues to fall apart slowly but surely. Whites by appearance alone will remain easy targets and women will continue to be brutalised by rapes.

    If I were an English speaking South African I would have absolutely no problem living in an Afrikaaner Free Republik and would embrace the language as an act of not only respect but also common sense. English as a language would probably still have its place perhaps as a second alternative language and if not its not something many white Africans would really be worried about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den groda View Post
    I know you have been wronged in the past by them but maintaining old grudges isn’t going to help either side.
    Old grudges have nothing to do with this. The English could have behaved like angels throughout our history, and it still wouldn't be a good argument for my descendants to be Anglicized.

    Quote Originally Posted by Den groda View Post
    Wouldn’t an autonomous region at least for whites be better than the current situation?
    A great many things would be better than the current situation, including a federal system, Western Cape separatism, or even a better black government. The ideal for the Afrikaner nation, however, remains an Afrikaner state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Den groda View Post
    When Boers come to Australia I don’t want them to give up their language and culture, we have so much in common and I find their culture no threat to ours. The children of Boers and the children of Anglos in my country are impossible to differentiate and many of the Boer children retain their culture and language. Why wouldn’t something like this be acceptable?
    Make no mistake, what I submit as a requirement for immigrants in a Boer republic is no more than what is by default happening to Boer families in Australia. They know that living in Australia means speaking English to participate in an Anglo society, and their full assimilation is inevitable and highly unlikely to be postponed beyond the third generation. The same simply needs to be true in a Boer state, only with Boer culture the dominant one. In contrast to Australia, the regulations and safeguards would probably need to be more stringent for this to be possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Den groda View Post
    Stormraaf most of your compatriots seem to be disagreeing with you and from someone far removed from the situation there I have to say I agree with them.
    From where do you get this idea? My compatriots are Afrikaners who all refer to the ideal as an Afrikaner or Boer state, not a "white" one. That alone implies we're on the same page.

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    I am not doubting or debating, but I have a few questions about this subject.

    What if the Afrikaners or Boers left and started their own communities elsewhere? The reason I ask is the Amish here in North America have their own settlements where they retain their language and culture with very little outside influence. They have their own networks of communication, their own stores, their own schools, and even their own laws( rules ) in some cases.

    I very well know their religion is what keeps them together, but what if cultural preservation was viewed as a religion of sorts and means of staying together?
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    Afrikaaner Volkstaat

    In my point of view an Afrikaaner Volkstaat has to become a reality and this in turn allows a safe haven white homeland for all white africans of the differing cultural influences from Anglos, German(ics), Celts & Anglo-Celts, including those descended from Italians, Portugese etc etc.

    Lets face it anyone of white European background whom values safety and security as well as strong community for their families to live in would be on their knees pleading with an Afrikaaner Volkstaat for residency. Such a Volkstaat would obviously embrace those whom wish to help build a strong vibrant nation for the greater good of all its citizens whom would be in guarantee of a safe stable homeland with a strong protective police force and effective highly professional military to protect its attractive borders.

    You could imagine the reaction of remaining white farmers from Zimbabwe being offered citizenship in the Volkstaat in return of course for them to offer their agricultural expertise and sound knowledge.

    The ANC and the Communists are destroying South Africa slowly but surely. The western media plays down the slow genocide of whites in South Africa but the reality is it is still happening and the rapes continue and farms continue to be sacked to drive the white farmers off the land. I see no sign of the reversal of this social breakdown of society and eventually the black tribes will probably start to turn on each other after they can no longer blame the boer for all their wrongs which they mostly continue to self inflict upon themselves. A Football World Cup might temporarily fool the world but give it just one year after the show window thing is over and the white flight will continue to increase.

    An Afrikaaner Volkstaat would have my total support 1000% percent.

    For me it has to become a reality otherwise the writing is already on the wall.

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    “Old grudges have nothing to do with this. The English could have behaved like angels throughout our history, and it still wouldn't be a good argument for my descendants to be Anglicized”.

    Nobody is arguing that you should become Anglicized.

    “Make no mistake, what I submit as a requirement for immigrants in a Boer republic is no more than what is by default happening to Boer families in Australia. They know that living in Australia means speaking English to participate in an Anglo society, and their full assimilation is inevitable and highly unlikely to be postponed beyond the third generation. The same simply needs to be true in a Boer state, only with Boer culture the dominant one. In contrast to Australia, the regulations and safeguards would probably need to be more stringent for this to be possible”.

    I think and hope assimilation of Boers into Australia does not mean their abandoning their language and culture, although I admit over many generations it is highly likely to happen; it is largely dependent on their parents instilling pride in their children’s roots. I have meet the children of Boers here who look exactly like me, speak and act exactly as I do, and because of this I would call them assimilated, however they are bilingual speaking Afrikaner and they maintain many Afrikaner cultural practices, which are no threat and similar to my own. A racial other can never achieve this because they will never look like we do unless the alter us and their cultural practices are often a threat to my own or too diametric.

    “From where do you get this idea? My compatriots are Afrikaners who all refer to the ideal as an Afrikaner or Boer state, not a "white" one. That alone implies we're on the same page”.

    Your compatriots seem far more accepting of ESW than you are; it is nearly as if you view them as the biggest threat to your people.

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