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    This cultural phenomenon has spread very fast in such a short period of time. This is probably due to the mass transfer of information through electronic media to coincide with the already deeply entrenched hedonistic values and self-identification on matters of sexual attractiveness. For the most part, the trend that is encouraged in Western culture is that if you are attracted to the same sex you should let it define you and build your identity on that.

    Homosexual attractions are found throughout the animal kingdom and has existed for ages in human history so it is something to be expected. The problem here isn't such much the act or the strings attached as it is the, "homosexual culture," which is extremely hedonistic and causes disruption to social harmony.

    The debate rages between causes and effects and supposed effeminacy of homosexual males but this is probably for the most part culturally constructed. Ancient Spartans were by no means effeminate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor
    I believe in The Old Religion because I admire the behavior of the people
    who followed it.

    {snip}

    Female homosexuality, even more than male homosexuality, destroys our
    Race's ability to reproduce and to SURVIVE!!

    {snip}

    But don't insult my intelligence by pretending that you aren't just as big a
    threat to our people as moslems, jews, non-whites, or any other of the
    Race destroying threats we face.
    When Iceland was forced under christian rule, the Icelanders asked for some exceptions from their rules, for the sake of them being only a small community on a small island with lots of problems.
    One of these exceptions was that the Icelanders are further allowed to kill babies. They threw them off the cliffs, when their harvest wasnt good enough or they simply had no use for it. Heathens sacrificed people, not necessarily with their consent.

    This was common behavior in heathen societies, today in the 21. century, we simply dont do it anymore.

    This is called societal evolution, and this irrational hate on people for their sexual orientation btw is another topic that asks urgently for some societal evolution.

    Homosexuality is not infectious. You cannot "convert" anyone to homosexuality when he/she isnt.

    Child molesters abuse children regardless of their gender, and regardless of the molester's gender (although males do it way more often). It is a psychological obsessive-compulsivity disorder that aims on sex with children, with the helpless and "innocent" for the sake of power. It's an increase of the thrill of raping someone. Rape isnt about sex, but about might over the other, and so is child abuse. This is not "homosexual" behavior, but an indeed very destructive disorder that should be persecuted accordingly.

    When you mix up both and treat it as interconnected or even as inevitably the same, you fail to examine both correctly.


    Btw, this thread is about legalizing partnership of two consenting adults (marriage). Its not about legalizing whatever deviance you freak out over or to promote deviant behavior, child abuse, rape, whatever. And remember, Iceland is also the country that banned strip clubs for the very reason that this indeed promotes deviant behavior.

    It just seems that Iceland has made this societal evolution pretty well and is able to distinguish between legalizing unproblematic things and the promotion of deviant behavior. A distinction that you - and all the other irrational homo-haters - should learn as well.

    And again, nationalism or preservationism has nothing to do with irrational hate on some individuals, who arent a threat to us, but themselves for the most part victims of the Jew-promoted "lifestyle". Go and have a look into all those "in-bars", it's mostly Jews, mixed-race people, Blacks and Arabs who engage and promote this lifestyle.



    (side note: making hard breaks where none are required isnt exactly a sign of intelligence either, no offence meant )
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    velvet, I agree with you. I don't like the image of the flouncy gay guy who deliberately acts ifeminate. That being said, however, if two consenting adults want to commit to a long-term relationship, I don't feel it is my place to stand in their way.

    How this relates to our kin, we should foster this idea that merely because a man is gay does not make him less than a man. Only he can debase himself through acting feminine. I live in America, so unfortunately I don't really know any gay guys that still act like men, but I think that in Europe the ability to be manly, and gay is a lot more prevalent.

    I want strong, capable Germanics on our side. If someone happens to be gay (something that is almost never a "choice) but they are Germanic, and carry our spirit of commitment, dedication, strength, war, virtue, bravery, then I think it is the worse crime to turn them away from us for a relatively arbitrary reason.

    We can easily retain what is culturally important to us, and make these minor evolutions. Disenfranchising good Germanic volk merely because we don't like who they are attracted to does not seem like an appropriate reaction. More and more we need all the Germanics we can get, and that won't change any time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Homosexuality is not infectious. You cannot "convert" anyone to homosexuality when he/she isnt.
    Homosexuality is behavior, and usually not a hard-wired identity from birth, as many want you to believe. When we are young and learning right and wrong from our parents and peers (or now, the state and the media) how we think and feel about different behaviors is impressed into our minds as acceptable or unacceptable by those who have a vested interest in programming us and shaping society as a whole. Because a large number of people are malleable in this way, what is deemed acceptable by society as "normal" has a big impact on the shape that society assumes. For those of us who want our people and culture to continue without decline, promoting the idea that it is normal to find a mate of the opposite sex and create a family with many children is a good thing. For those who wish our people and culture to decline and die off, it is a good idea to promote behaviors which will produce the least number of children and attitudes which will reinforce these behaviors.

    Here is a very real case for you to consider:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Baxter

    This very attractive woman grew up in a society where homosexuality was frowned upon. She had three marriages (with men) and five children from the first two of these relationships.

    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...es-out-lesbian

    Had she considered a same sex relationship as a real option earlier in life, those five children might not now exist. She says she wasn't "living a lie" when she had those relationships with men, so it can only be presumed that she is one of those people who would be open to a relationship with either sex. A healthy society guided her to express in reality those attractions which were of benefit to that society. Only the unhealthy society we have become allowed her to choose the less constructive option which she has followed today.

    The whole point of this very public push for acceptance of homosexual behavior is to further decrease our birth rate and eliminate normal familial culture. It is direct propaganda from the cultural marxists to tell young people that this is an acceptable choice of lifestyle.

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    Child molesters abuse children regardless of their gender, and regardless of the molester's gender
    In reality this is not true. Individuals who molest children are morally weak and may indeed be more likely to go either way, but there is still sexual preference in most cases, and often gender-specific people are attracted to people of that gender exclusively, whether they are older or younger. There is just too much variation to paint these people one way or another. And before you say men are more often child molesters, remember it is men who are usually the aggressors in any relationship. This does not mean women do not look at younger people with lust in their hearts, they do. They simply do not display their desires as openly nor do they act upon those desires as often.

    And if you think child molesting is bad, but homosexuality isn't, well just wait... there will be a push to eliminate your "hatred" as well soon, and guess where it will come from? This is a game for these twisted nation killers, and they really think it's amusing to see us suffer as our family culture is ripped apart.

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    on society

    I grew up in a strict christian environment and was never exposed to homosexual behaviour or any person, literature or television that condoned homosexuality. Yet, i am gay and knew it from a young age. The capacity to breed isn't what makes you Germanic (otherwise barren woman and men couldn't claim their heritage, ja?). I would rather be a gay Teuton who tells my young cousins tales of the old gods, of our people's glories, than be a straight woman with no culture to be proud of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitkiValkyrie View Post
    I grew up in a strict christian environment and was never exposed to homosexual behaviour or any person, literature or television that condoned homosexuality. Yet, i am gay and knew it from a young age. The capacity to breed isn't what makes you Germanic (otherwise barren woman and men couldn't claim their heritage, ja?). I would rather be a gay Teuton who tells my young cousins tales of the old gods, of our people's glories, than be a straight woman with no culture to be proud of.
    Those who brag about their ancestors are like a potato. The best part of them is underground.

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    Child molesters abuse children regardless of their gender, and regardless of the molester's gender
    It's a fact that an abnormally high percentage of child molesters are GAY males and are often middle-aged. Make of this what you will (I am not a psychologist) but the truth is inescapable.

    It's a bit like saying that gang-rape is not a black problem because Whites do it as well, but once you see the statistics you soon get the picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn
    ...promote behaviors which will produce the least number of children and attitudes which will reinforce these behaviors.
    Why is it so hard to make the distinction between homosexual people (most of those who I know live very decent lives, have a job, a partner for years and don't go table dancing and whoring around in strip clubs) and the Jew-promotion of "gay lifestyle"? (American TV has brought forth a disgusting example of that with the series 30Rock, where they made a sit-com of this promotion machinery )

    But really, this are two different things

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn
    Here is a very real case for you to consider:

    This very attractive woman grew up in a society where homosexuality was frowned upon. She had three marriages (with men) and five children from the first two of these relationships.
    Wait, most people here would call her a whore for being married and divorced three times. And most people would call her other names as well, traitor to her husband, deceive of her kids for changing their dad all the time and still kicking them out again. Or tricking payments out of her ex husbands. Having kids from several men. Oh, I can hear the "moral machinery".

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn
    In reality this is not true. Individuals who molest children are morally weak
    No, they are mentally/psychologically sick. This has nothing to do with moral.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn
    And before you say men are more often child molesters, remember it is men who are usually the aggressors in any relationship.
    Yes, and often the child molester is the own father or other family.

    • Pedophiles have a strong, almost irresistible, desire to have sex with children. The average pedophile molests 260 victims during their lifetime. Over 90% of convicted pedophiles are arrested again for the same offense after their release from prison.

    • Dr. Gene Abel estimates that between 1% and 5% of our population molest children.
    - CNN Specials Transcript #454-Thieves of Childhood.

    • Nearly all the offenders in sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%).
    - Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

    •Adults were the offender in 60% of the sexual assaults of youth under age 12. Rarely were the offenders of young victims strangers. Strangers were the offender in just 3% of sexual assaults against victims under age 6 and 5% of the sexual assault of victimizations of youth ages 6 through 11.
    -Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

    • Acquaintance perpetrators are the most common abusers, constituting approximately 70-90% of all reported perpetrators.
    - Finkelhor, D. 1994

    • 89% of child sexual assault cases involve persons known to the child, such as a caretaker or family acquaintance.
    - Diana Russell Survey, 1978

    • All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male.
    - BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991

    •The typical offender is male, begins molesting by age 15, engages in a variety of deviant behavior, and molests an average of 117 youngsters, most of whom do not report the offense.
    - Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study

    etc etc
    Source


    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn
    And if you think child molesting is bad, but homosexuality isn't, well just wait... there will be a push to eliminate your "hatred" as well soon, and guess where it will come from? This is a game for these twisted nation killers, and they really think it's amusing to see us suffer as our family culture is ripped apart.
    You see, child abuse is a crime, for good reasons. And even here in Germany people call for capital punishment when such a monster is caught or even worse, flees from prison or the psychiatry and runs free. This simply cannot happen, no matter the promotion machinery.

    It is by law not allowed to expose child abusers (in general no data or pictures from other people than yourself without their permission), still people here run websites like you have in the US where it's public information and risk themselves being charged to expose them. And each time such a case comes to light new discussions arise why the "rights" of the offender should be more important than the crime they committed or the rights of the victim, that this crime derives them actually of some of their civil rights etc etc.


    And I really dont get how people can seriously try to compare the "consent of two adults" and the acceptance thereof, nothing else, (without them having neither advantages or disadvantages, for what reason should they have any anyway?) by the society (and really, you Ami's are the first and loudest to cry out against other people or authorities messing with your private stuff) and a serious crime (no, its not the same and none of these far-out "moral" driven conspiracy theories is convincing).

    It's not that we wouldnt have serious problems, like traitorous governments, millions of illegal immigrants and mosques growing like mushrooms, introduction of sharia law and corporations selling out our people, our knowledge, our skills and exporting everything to third world nations, that the future EU dictator plans to import 50mio blacks mainly from muslim countries (worst combination ever, an inhuman religion performed by subhuman apes), that Jews own our media, our banks, our money, our trade, our governments themselves, suck us out on every level possible and so on.

    And people freak out because two people who decide for a lifetime partnership are now legally allowed to do so? Please people, get your senses together.
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    Across history and even today in other countries homosexuals get married and have kids but also have their same-sex relationships on the side. This is due to maintain social harmony but idealists in the West currently have no interest in such things especially when the culture is more and more hedonistic. Lets look at Japan, in Japanese society homosexuality exists and you wouldn't know it at first glance, yet there is a cultural clique of homosexuals and this is kept quiet as to avoid disturbing social morality. Yet when there is a, "gay pride parade," this is exclusively looked down upon.

    Same sex attractions are very much a natural and evolutionary part of the human condition. The behavior exists within the animal kingdom and is not exclusive to humans. This is not a dead-end either, most homosexuals usually end up mating with the opposite sex to produce children and you cannot get rid of the so called gay gene. Female cousins of homosexuals tend to have higher levels of fertility than those who don't. Probably some kind of social support group function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    And people freak out because two people who decide for a lifetime partnership are now legally allowed to do so? Please people, get your senses together.

    You and I are definitely on the same page, that the "gay culture" thing is dangerous, but not the otherwise normal, upstanding gay people.

    I see no direct clash between the Germanic lifestyle, and being attracted to the same gender.

    Sure it is important that many of us have children, and pass our genetics on for future generations, but at the same time, look at the "Do you want children" thread, a very high percentage of people said they didn't want children. I see no problem with a very small percentage of homosexual Germanics (I think only about 5% of the population is gay) not having children. Most of all, I don't think that it is a good argument, look at all the straight Germanics who don't have kids... shouldn't we expect them to have children first? And velvet, you are right about barren people, or single people. "Having children" is not essentially a core Germanic ideal. Granted that family values are very important, but there is no reason that homosexuals cannot respect, and honor good family values. If anything else, they make great opportunities for orphans, or other children who need to be adopted.

    We've had similar debates about religion, and whether or not a Christian can fully realize his/her Germanic heritage. It seems like almost everyone here is willing to accept (at least for now) Germanic Christians as part of Germanendom. I honestly see even less of an issue here.
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