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    creeps

    Damn, I'm still pissed off about that callous post. Obviously, none of
    you "defenders" have had to interview the victims of these monsters.
    Jesus christ, i prey to god it never happens to any off your kids.
    Or anyone else either. I am sick and tired of dealing with the life long
    destruction that these kids are cursed with.
    Everyone of these " alternate lifestyle" creeps should be rounded up
    and hung just like the rabid dogs they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor
    This is a funny story? This is completely outrageous! Just replace the
    young boy with a young girl. Does this mean that every time a male
    predator successfully molests a young girl that she "really wanted it"?
    God Almighty , how many times have I heard that "justification"
    from a child molester? Have you people who insist on defending these
    deviant creeps completely lost your minds?
    So, everyone who tries to "pull on" a (potential) future girlfriend / boyfriend now is a child molester?

    And when your youths cant defend themselves against a bit of harrassing, there might be a general problem with the education of youths, because this is what happens to youths when they go to school, go out on the streets, meet each other in groups, go to clubs, whatever. They get harrassed. And when they dont want, they should be able to say "NO". When they cant, there is something wrong with them. Might be that their parents rather prefer to lock them away in the cellar and "protect" them with that against all the evils of this world. The better strategy though were, when parents would just educate their kids properly. They dont, and then go all nuts about something that isnt even worth mentioning actually, because it is generally a perfectly normal experience, that you get harrassed by someone you dont have interest in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor View Post
    Damn, I'm still pissed off about that callous post. Obviously, none of
    you "defenders" have had to interview the victims of these monsters.
    Jesus christ, i prey to god it never happens to any off your kids.
    Or anyone else either. I am sick and tired of dealing with the life long
    destruction that these kids are cursed with.
    Everyone of these " alternate lifestyle" creeps should be rounded up
    and hung just like the rabid dogs they are.
    I have known a lot of sexual abuse victims. Seven women and two men that have been molested or raped as children under 16 have told me about it in detail(This does not count abusive boyfriends). I have not interviewed them in a medical/legal fashion but they have confided details to me. Only one was molested by an adult of the same gender. That one was molested by his 'hetro' grandfather and uncle. The grandfather was Italian and believed that the children belong to the patriarch in 'the old Roman tradition'. I hope the bastard suffers much wherever he is now.

    I have known some gay men and even the 'chickenhawks' had a strong aversion to 'jailbait' under 18 (This includes both straitlaced Log Cabin Republicans and BD/SM types). So this image of gay=child molesting or 'converting' evil nidhog is just not true here in the USA.

    Even knowing that Iceland has long had a non'puratanical' view on sex and marriage I was surprised that the law passed unanimously.

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    "I have known some gay men and even the 'chickenhawks' had a strong aversion to 'jailbait' under 18 (This includes both straitlaced Log Cabin Republicans and BD/SM types). So this image of gay=child molesting or 'converting' evil nidhog is just not true here in the USA."

    LadyBright: With all due respect you are making assumptions and drawing conclusions based on vastly insufficient data.

    " So, everyone who tries to "pull on" a (potential) future girlfriend / boyfriend now is a child molester?

    And when your youths cant defend themselves against a bit of harrassing, there might be a general problem with the education of youths, because this is what happens to youths when they go to school, go out on the streets, meet each other in groups, go to clubs, whatever. They get harrassed. And when they dont want, they should be able to say "NO". When they cant, there is something wrong with them. Might be that their parents rather prefer to lock them away in the cellar and "protect" them with that against all the evils of this world. The better strategy though were, when parents would just educate their kids properly. They dont, and then go all nuts about something that isnt even worth mentioning actually, because it is generally a perfectly normal experience, that you get harrassed by someone you dont have interest in."

    Velvet: It is very hard to believe that the above gross misinterpretation
    of my post wasn't intentional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor View Post
    LadyBright: With all due respect you are making assumptions and drawing conclusions based on vastly insufficient data.

    " So, everyone who tries to "pull on" a (potential) future girlfriend / boyfriend now is a child molester?
    I did not say that my experience is statistically valid. I was replying to the question of if anyone has interviewed child victims of sexual abuse. I understand your rage at abuse and rape. Targeting all or most homosexuals is a waste of time. Just as targeting all or most heterosexuals or bisexuals etc.

    More offenders are male than female, though the percentage varies between studies. The percentage of incidents of sexual abuse by female perpetrators that come to the attention of the legal system is usually reported to be between 1% and 4%.[97] Studies of sexual misconduct in US schools with female offenders have shown mixed results with rates between 4% to 43% of female offenders.[98] Maletzky (1993) found that, of his sample of 4,402 convicted pedophilic offenders, 0.4% were female.[99] Another study of a non-clinical population found that, among those in the their sample that had been molested, as much as a third were molested by women.[100]
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    Andrew Vachss has dedicated his life to defending children in court. He has strong opinions on gays vs child molestors. Unfortunately his site is down right now so I will post better quotes and statistics later.


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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor
    So, everyone who tries to "pull on" a (potential) future girlfriend / boyfriend now is a child molester?

    And when your youths cant defend themselves against a bit of harrassing, there might be a general problem with the education of youths, because this is what happens to youths when they go to school, go out on the streets, meet each other in groups, go to clubs, whatever. They get harrassed. And when they dont want, they should be able to say "NO". When they cant, there is something wrong with them. Might be that their parents rather prefer to lock them away in the cellar and "protect" them with that against all the evils of this world. The better strategy though were, when parents would just educate their kids properly. They dont, and then go all nuts about something that isnt even worth mentioning actually, because it is generally a perfectly normal experience, that you get harrassed by someone you dont have interest in."
    Velvet: It is very hard to believe that the above gross misinterpretation of my post wasn't intentional.
    Yes, it was. I tried to explain that the story the boy in the barber shop experienced is something youths experience every day. Which did not keep you from screaming "outrageous" and "child molesters", when nothing of that sort had happened to that boy.

    When the barber shop worker have been a hot woman in a short skirt and half transparent top, you all had applauded the young boy, probably some would have encouraged him to take "the chance to get some experience with an experienced woman". Since the boy was obviously shy, he would have fled the barber shop in this situation just as well though.

    Would you scream "child molester", "monster" and what you all have spoused already in this situation too? Most likely not, so please keep your double moral for yourself. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Which "nature tribes" and warrior societies would not agree upon, as pointed out, as they even institutionalise "gay" behavior and have it as part of the rites to become an actual warrior

    This btw also counts for the women, who can switch their society gender role to that of a warrior or hunter, while men can switch to traditionally female roles / jobs. This was neither enforced nor "normal", but still could happen.

    [...]

    Honestly, these judeo-christian "values" are way too less questioned, also not amongst Heathens, be it the "gender roles", sick morals (I remind again on the cleansing rituals after giving birth, which must wash off the sin of sex. In Heathen societies this was a reason to celebrate, there have been fertility rituals and even ritual sex), whatever. This sick book of hate has turned a lot upside down, and too few people question that and just take these imported anti-values as normal and "given", as if set by god himself (and then even are so bold to call this "natural law", which it is certainly not). This completely unfounded hate on homos is one of them, which makes no sense whatsoever. Unless you view it through the judeo-christian lense, where everything with sex is sin and makes you burn in hell, and was only tolerated in a reproduction context, but never absolved from being a sin nonetheless.

    """Sex is no sin, sex is a perfectly normal biological behavior, including occasionally homosexual sex (see Bonobo monkeys for example, they use sex to limit aggression within their group, everyone f#*ks everyone) and that one has fun with sex.""" All this superstitions and induced shame/guilt BS is anything BUT normal. We are one of few species that can "enjoy" sex beyond the reproduction stuff. Instead of shaming/blaming and making it a sin, we should better return to a healthy relation to our own bodies and to sex in general, might also help with to raise the reproduction rate to replacementlevel
    I state categorically that the above post itself is the most vile and outrageous libel and slander against my Heathen Germanic Ancestors both women and men. To accuse my ancestors of engaging in animalistic sexual practices is beyond the pale.

    It has become sadly obvious why our Germanic Race has been slated for extinction. Those the Gods would destroy, They first make insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Honestly, these judeo-christian "values" are way too less questioned, also not amongst Heathens, be it the "gender roles", sick morals (I remind again on the cleansing rituals after giving birth, which must wash off the sin of sex. In Heathen societies this was a reason to celebrate, there have been fertility rituals and even ritual sex), whatever. This sick book of hate has turned a lot upside down....
    I live pretty close to the bible belt and I've never heard of such a postpartum ritual cleansing. As usual, you're just drawing caricatures of Christianity based on a few isolated splinter sects or historical occurrences like some sophomoric left-wing college kid.

    While sexual habits may have been less "monkey-like" when Christian morality was the norm, most mothers at least knew who the father of their child was. And babies weren't contracting genital herpes or HIV or becoming addicted to drugs in utero. There's something to be said for that, I think.

    For the more evolved species, there's also something to be said for the physical, emotional, and spiritual rewards that come from making love as opposed to just having sex.

    This completely unfounded hate on homos is one of them, which makes no sense whatsoever. Unless you view it through the judeo-christian lense, where everything with sex is sin and makes you burn in hell, and was only tolerated in a reproduction context, but never absolved from being a sin nonetheless.
    In this thread the arguments against homosexuality that I've seen have been put forth in secular, sociological terms. The only one constantly referring to Christianity's theological opposition to homosexuality is yourself, as part of an obvious effort to torch a straw man.
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    Unfortunately another example of why we can't seem to get it together as a people/race.

    We argue about homosexuality and its inclusion into past civilizations and some have to point out its virtues, and on the other hand we don't have the desire to have chidren but we seem destined to be destroyed by those that will.

    Too bad we don't seem to have the will and of our ancestors to defend what is rightfully ours. Then again, we might wake up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor View Post
    I state categorically that the above post itself is the most vile and outrageous libel and slander against my Heathen Germanic Ancestors both women and men. To accuse my ancestors of engaging in animalistic sexual practices is beyond the pale.
    It is out of question that it's disgusting behaviour, but I'd be careful when emulating our Heathen Germanic Ancestors. Like with any era, we might find some things we wouldn't agree with; and like with any age it is our duty to improve upon the parts which we deem detrimental.

    That it was not particularly socially accepted is to be assumed, but then again most proof of damnation of homosexuality we have is of inner-marriage accusations thereof by weaving effeminate clothing, or by erecting two male-faced rods outside the house; something which then could not be refuted in court if the accusation came from within the marriage!. Quite an effective way for an embittered wife to get rid of her lousy husband actually: Just term him a gay, and that's it.

    However, there appears to be relatively few evidence that they were tossed into the swamps for their homosexuality; and even if we find two preserved same-sex skeletons tossed into the bog hand-in-hand, that may not be a clear indication that it was common practice, or even that it was their homosexuality they were tossed into that pool for.

    I would hope myself that my Heathen Germanic Ancestors were not as accepting of homosexuality as the Ancient Greeks are generally deemed to be. If they took a more egalitarian view upon it, that still wouldn't change much for me; I don't have to do or views things exactly as they were done/viewed some 1,000 years ago, and would remain staunchly opposed to what I consider a defective, degenerate practice; it certainly wouldn't affect my faith in the Gods at all though if it turned out they were all running around buggering each other.
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