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    ^ Well I posted my last statement as prove there is no end all, when it comes to genitics and homosexuality.

    The sad story is that mass media has told most people that homosexuality is genitic and that is not factual. The mass people believe what the media tells them and they allow their home countries to enable laws which could lead to the femanization of the male( warrior ) population.

    There is nothing wrong with being acting female if you are a female, but men and women should act and think according to their gender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    The sad story is that mass media has told most people that homosexuality is genitic and that is not factual. The mass people believe what the media tells them and they allow their home countries to enable laws which could lead to the femanization of the male( warrior ) population.
    Which "nature tribes" and warrior societies would not agree upon, as pointed out, as they even institutionalise "gay" behavior and have it as part of the rites to become an actual warrior

    This btw also counts for the women, who can switch their society gender role to that of a warrior or hunter, while men can switch to traditionally female roles / jobs. This was neither enforced nor "normal", but still could happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    There is nothing wrong with being acting female if you are a female, but men and women should act and think according to their gender.
    Hm, whether Jeanne D'Arc would agree with you here?



    Honestly, these judeo-christian "values" are way too less questioned, also not amongst Heathens, be it the "gender roles", sick morals (I remind again on the cleansing rituals after giving birth, which must wash off the sin of sex. In Heathen societies this was a reason to celebrate, there have been fertility rituals and even ritual sex), whatever. This sick book of hate has turned a lot upside down, and too few people question that and just take these imported anti-values as normal and "given", as if set by god himself (and then even are so bold to call this "natural law", which it is certainly not). This completely unfounded hate on homos is one of them, which makes no sense whatsoever. Unless you view it through the judeo-christian lense, where everything with sex is sin and makes you burn in hell, and was only tolerated in a reproduction context, but never absolved from being a sin nonetheless.

    Sex is no sin, sex is a perfectly normal biological behavior, including occasionally homosexual sex (see Bonobo monkeys for example, they use sex to limit aggression within their group, everyone f#*ks everyone) and that one has fun with sex. All this superstitions and induced shame/guilt BS is anything BUT normal. We are one of few species that can "enjoy" sex beyond the reproduction stuff. Instead of shaming/blaming and making it a sin, we should better return to a healthy relation to our own bodies and to sex in general, might also help with to raise the reproduction rate to replacementlevel
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Which "nature tribes" and warrior societies would not agree upon, as pointed out, as they even institutionalise "gay" behavior and have it as part of the rites to become an actual warrior
    If in nature homosexual behavior was normal it still would not cause controversy among non-homosexuals. This has nothing to do with religion or what beliefs one might carry. Try to picture things like nuts and bolts, you cannot make two bolts fit together and you cannot make to nuts fit together, but a bolt and a nut fit perfect.
    This btw also counts for the women, who can switch their society gender role to that of a warrior or hunter, while men can switch to traditionally female roles / jobs. This was neither enforced nor "normal", but still could happen.
    Sure men and women have have switched roles in history, but keep in mind that it was also noted in history as unusual other wise they would not have made a note of it.
    Honestly, these judeo-christian "values" are way too less questioned, also not amongst Heathens, be it the "gender roles", sick morals (I remind again on the cleansing rituals after giving birth, which must wash off the sin of sex. In Heathen societies this was a reason to celebrate, there have been fertility rituals and even ritual sex), whatever. This sick book of hate has turned a lot upside down, and too few people question that and just take these imported anti-values as normal and "given", as if set by god himself (and then even are so bold to call this "natural law", which it is certainly not). This completely unfounded hate on homos is one of them, which makes no sense whatsoever. Unless you view it through the judeo-christian lense, where everything with sex is sin and makes you burn in hell, and was only tolerated in a reproduction context, but never absolved from being a sin nonetheless.
    I never made any comment about judeo-christian religion or its views on homosexuality. I commented on the fact that any government should not endorse homosexuality as it is none of their place to allow it. I have question on this were we better off before things like this became the norm, as it is all part of the vast problems we are facing in protecting and preserving our culture.
    Sex is no sin, sex is a perfectly normal biological behavior, including occasionally homosexual sex (see Bonobo monkeys for example, they use sex to limit aggression within their group, everyone f#*ks everyone) and that one has fun with sex. All this superstitions and induced shame/guilt BS is anything BUT normal. We are one of few species that can "enjoy" sex beyond the reproduction stuff. Instead of shaming/blaming and making it a sin, we should better return to a healthy relation to our own bodies and to sex in general, might also help with to raise the reproduction rate to replacementlevel
    I have never said sex was a sin or mentioned sin, nor do I believe we are born of sin, but we are born of the love of our parents and their desire to be with one another. Yes sex is to be fun and natural as it is instinct for man and woman to have sex. But for man and man to have sex or woman and woman to have sex is not natural as it does not fit( see mention above about nuts and bolts).

    How are replacement levels positively effected by homosexuality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Sex is no sin, sex is a perfectly normal biological behavior, including occasionally homosexual sex (see Bonobo monkeys for example, they use sex to limit aggression within their group, everyone f#*ks everyone) and that one has fun with sex.
    Just because a Bonobo (which is an ape not a monkey btw) does something it does not equate to a more evolved being like Man having the same tendencies. Bonobo's also practice cannibalism; does this make eating another human OK as well?
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    49 to 0 sounds to be a bit, er ... a bit extremely liberal.

    In other countries one could have expected that at least a few Senators or MP's would have dissented. What makes Iceland so different and homophile?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forseti View Post
    49 to 0 sounds to be a bit, er ... a bit extremely liberal.

    In other countries one could have expected that at least a few Senators or MP's would have dissented. What makes Iceland so different and homophile?
    1) The PM is a Lesbian.
    2) Scandinavians have always been a bit hippieish.

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    This statement either might dispel some errant thoughts, or, spark up some combatants.

    Anyway, as I see it, all men, I repeat all men, including the most hetro's could be converted with enough 'conditioning'.

    After all, brain washing and mental conditioning can make people do terrible, antisocial things, like, kill their own beloved mother, murder their favourite cat/dog, shoot their best friend. It's what cultists do to innocent, easily led people. Condition and brainwash. They can do it via direct and indirect methods. Anyone can be warped, if the right material was used.

    And seeing the 'mating' requirement is so strong in humans, it's a wonder why the hyper-sexed/needing sociopaths are the first to 'turn'.

    The whole reason straight guys fight so virulently is becuase of the two heads of fear, one for society and setting a precedent of absolute acceptance, which determines that less mothers share in soceity resources, and two, that with enough 'conditioning' even the most ardent males would be converted.

    And the younger it starts the easier it is to reprogram someone.

    And considering mothers and fathers see their genetic line disappear when a son goes gay, is it a wonder when they feel the pangs of lonliness in their older years? Not able to see their little gran-kiddies run amok and play games. That would probably shatter most folks.

    It really does take the family aspect out of society, and craps all over it.



    Oh, and for a note. I've just finished watching the Sailor Moon episodes, and in that, they bring up topics of incest, sadomasochism, lesbianism, gay males, lady-boys and all manner of other freakish things. What's really bad about it is all the heros and heroines are total weirdos!!!

    AND they all try to crack onto Serena, who is supposed to be an innocent 15 year old devoted to her boyfriend.

    So it becomes a show of 30 year old lesbians and lady-boy-sadists loitering around her and offering all manner of sexual innuendo.

    They only showed the first season in Australia which had none of that crap. And I can see why they didn't show anything else.

    Becuase the way I see it, if you are a pretty girl, it's quite ok for older types to 'suggest' things, even to break you up with your boyfriend (Destined boyfriend I might add).

    And on top of that, the reverse situation lodges in the mind, if older females start swooning around me, maybe I am as pretty as Serena too. Perhaps they should 'talk' about things too.

    When you add up the mental equations taking place, I am quite disapointed in one of my childhood favourite shows.

    To see heros who dress in black, unzipped (pants), dominatrix gear (who change gender when they transform) trying to 'use' the pretty girl AND ruin her life, it makes me SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Which "nature tribes" and warrior societies would not agree upon, as pointed out, as they even institutionalise "gay" behavior and have it as part of the rites to become an actual warrior

    This btw also counts for the women, who can switch their society gender role to that of a warrior or hunter, while men can switch to traditionally female roles / jobs. This was neither enforced nor "normal", but still could happen.
    Actually, this is not entirely true. Name me one example of a "nature tribe" (so, no, the Ancient Greeks don't count ) where both male and female homosexuality are accepted and institutionalised.

    For instance, I remember reading about a Maori tribe which allowed for gay-leaning men to form a third sociological gender. In that tribe, however, this same is not possible for women, they are expected to be women regardless of their innate orientation.

    Hm, whether Jeanne D'Arc would agree with you here?
    There is nothing unfemale about what Jeanne D'Arc did. The Germanic/Northern (mentioning this as this is also common to Celtics, to some extend also Baltics; I'll count the French as Romanised Celts for this purpose) woman can also be a warrior, an explorer, a leader as well. First and foremost a mother and mentor, but can also be a warrior, explorer and leader.

    We have many examples of married women or those at least intending to leading battles. Queen Sigrith of Sweden for one, Freydis in the Vinland Sagas for another. Taking an example from the Celts, the oft-cited Boudicca. The role of the Germanic (and other Northern) woman has many facets.

    We are not the Romans or the Greeks, so whilst we expect our women to fulfil their female characteristics, we accept that they may include, but not be restricted to a nurturing role. The fact that we accept women as equally-righted activists in our movement, whilst this'd be uncalled for in many Southern- and Eastern-European countries, actually speaks for that as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    1) The PM is a Lesbian.
    2) Scandinavians have always been a bit hippieish.
    This is a bit of an unfair generalisation. If you mentioned open acceptance of homosexuality, then you perhaps ought to also ask yourself why the Berlin population voted for a gay Prussian-Lithuanian (Wowereit), and they're not Scandinavian.

    I would rather say that much of it has to do with the fact that the Germanic spirit is generally freedom loving, and also fairly rational. That allows us to accept different approaches to life, different approaches to even the same life philosophy. Odinism/Asatru/Heathenism is non-dogmatic, and there have traditionally - and currently - been several strands of for instance National Socialism where each person tends to take slightly different views on the same matters.

    Our tolerant, rational and freedom-loving Germanic spirit allows us that. The ability to see both sides of the argument. The knowledge that what may be good for me, may not be good for you. It is only that this part of the Germanic spirit is a two-edged sword --- if filled with positive energy it makes for dynamic progress where the folk community can benefit from the diversity of influences. If filled with negative energy it can be abused into accepting concepts which we would instinctively find harmful.

    As far as the Icelanders are concerned, it has never been much of an issue in their country as unlike in our countries there was not much pushing of it throughout the ages. This is also a negative energy exploiting our Germanic spirit: The fact that whilst we don't tend to be negative towards that which is unknown, but that we tend to be ignorant towarsd that which is unknown. That ignorance is actual a major issue with many troubles befalling our folk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    If in nature homosexual behavior was normal it still would not cause controversy among non-homosexuals. This has nothing to do with religion or what beliefs one might carry. Try to picture things like nuts and bolts, you cannot make two bolts fit together and you cannot make to nuts fit together, but a bolt and a nut fit perfect.
    Sure. But why does homosexuality cause controversy in our societies, when you admit that it might not have in warrior societies (because it was part of their world view)?

    And the approach, that the West takes to (homo)sexuality, comes exclusively from religion, namely the judeo-christian religion. The fact that many today are either heathens or atheist does not change the least that our entire law-system, value system and what is commonly perceived as "normal", right or wrong, is based on these imported values.

    I just say that too many people take too many of these (partly very wrong) things for granted or even call it natural law, when it is not and only a result of sick, imported and forever alien values and morals.

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    Sure men and women have have switched roles in history, but keep in mind that it was also noted in history as unusual other wise they would not have made a note of it.
    But it did not cause hate on those who were not normal. It is this unfounded hate that I critisize.
    Noone would hate heroes, right? But why not, after all, they stick out of the "normal" mass just as the wise women (witches), the full-time priests, and homos. They all inhabit the same outer fringes of the "unusual" part of the society.

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    I never made any comment about judeo-christian religion or its views on homosexuality. I commented on the fact that any government should not endorse homosexuality as it is none of their place to allow it.
    But it's neither their business to disallow it, or even criminalise it. You as an American should understand that the best from all. Your private stuff is your private stuff, and government doesnt have to mess with your rights, right?

    And, apart from that. When homos marry, they make just the same promise to each other not to cheat on the other, to take care of the other and all that.

    People always whine about the "decadence" of these homo-pride marches, bring the argument that they f#*k around and with that give a negative example and all that. And the same people who whine about that also are against anything that takes them out of this scene, are against long-time partnerships of homos. This makes no sense to be honest.

    No, homos should not be allowed to adopt kids. But the legal status of marriage has also another side. When you're not married and your g/f has an accident and ends up in hospital or even dies, you have no rights whatsoever. You can do nothing when the docs or authorities stick to their rules. I cant see a reason why this rights to care for the other, your long time partner, should be limited.

    Sure, in a perfect world this would be another legal status for homos probably, that is called something else than marriage.

    But this world is not perfect, and this is at best only a tiny fringe "problem" of all the things that will destroy our world and our people.

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    I have question on this were we better off before things like this became the norm, as it is all part of the vast problems we are facing in protecting and preserving our culture.
    It is not part of the problems of our culture, only in the context of governments, who actively recruit and import swarms of foreigners, who encourage mass immigration, who discriminate against their citizens, who seize their citizens of their rights and money, who pass one illegal law after another and allow and encourage the promotion of all sorts of decadence. With the aim to extinct the Europeans and white Americans, with whatever means available or createable.

    And the only thing people are bothered with are some homos? Please. There really are some way bigger problems to care about.


    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    I have never said sex was a sin or mentioned sin, nor do I believe we are born of sin, but we are born of the love of our parents and their desire to be with one another. Yes sex is to be fun and natural as it is instinct for man and woman to have sex.
    Sure, this is normal and is what should be supported and promoted.
    That it is not promoted nowadays though is not the fault of the homos, but the fault of traitor governments and all the normal people who do nothing against these criminals leading our countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    But for man and man to have sex or woman and woman to have sex is not natural as it does not fit( see mention above about nuts and bolts).
    I dont think that you get anywhere with this argument, as homos perceive that differently. For them it is just as normal to have sex with the same sex as their own as it is normal for you to look for the nut

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman
    How are replacement levels positively effected by homosexuality?
    I was talking about the general view on sexuality, that people often are way too inhibited and repressed about sex. Do a random asking of people and ask them whether they think that their parents have sex. I will not take the fun of that with giving examples of the answers you will get, find out for yourself



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    Just because a Bonobo (which is an ape not a monkey btw) does something it does not equate to a more evolved being like Man having the same tendencies. Bonobo's also practice cannibalism; does this make eating another human OK as well?
    I was pointing out that they utilise sex to relieve stress among their group, and that it doesnt matter which gender the other is. The "more evolved" Man goes out of the bar and beat each other up to sort out differencies. It's just another concept to deal with stress within a group. Whether man's method is "more evolved" I dare to question
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Funny story, and I dont say that things like that dont happen.

    I just say that their "convert success" depends on whether the "prey" is open for the idea or not. That the boy fled with flying flags the barber shop seems to prove that they did not succeed to convert him, probably quite the opposite, this incidence maybe made the boy have some thoughts about this, and then will, more likely than not, decide that he is not gay and will most likely also never visit this barber shop again to prevent them from further preying on him
    This is a funny story? This is completely outrageous! Just replace the
    young boy with a young girl. Does this mean that every time a male
    predator successfully molests a young girl that she "really wanted it"?
    God Almighty , how many times have I heard that "justification"
    from a child molester? Have you people who insist on defending these
    deviant creeps completely lost your minds?
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