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    Classify Holger Badstuber

    Holger Badstuber, Deutsche Fußballspieler für Bayern München und Deutsche Nationalmannschaft. (Like my German? )





    He strikes me as very 'German' looking, particularly his eyelids, but I really have no idea whether I'm right or not about him looking like a classic German.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonCeorl View Post
    He strikes me as very 'German' looking, particularly his eyelids, but I really have no idea whether I'm right or not about him looking like a classic German.
    You're wrong absolutely wrong, Baltid looking characters like him in Germany are atypical and when you come across some of them they would most likely be of the West Baltid variety (less mongoloid looking than their East Baltid counterparts).

    I classify him as Ob-Ugric and East Baltic with additional Nordid components.

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    Does relaxed skin over the eyelid indicate a particular sub-race?

    Compare these British/German men with relaxed skin over the eyelids:

    John Terry, good example showing the skin over his left eye.

    Gordon Banks

    Then, we see some other British/German examples of more 'sculpted' eye areas where you can clearly see all of their top eyelid.

    Wesley Sneijder

    Marcell Jansen

    Craig Moore

    Perhaps this is nothing more than a non-classifiable random variation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonCeorl View Post
    Does relaxed skin over the eyelid indicate a particular sub-race?
    I don't know what you mean by that, but mongoloid looking eyes amongst European population is common amongst: Kalmucks, Kirghis, Nogai, Tartars, Bashkirs, Voguls, Ostiaks, Samoyedes and other Zirians from Mingled Mongoloid to Finnish.


    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonCeorl View Post
    Compare these British/German men with relaxed skin over the eyelids:

    John Terry, good example showing the skin over his left eye.

    Gordon Banks

    Then, we see some other British/German examples of more 'sculpted' eye areas where you can clearly see all of their top eyelid.

    Wesley Sneijder

    Marcell Jansen

    Craig Moore

    Perhaps this is nothing more than a non-classifiable random variation?
    None of them have mongoloid looking eyes aside from Gordon Banks:



    Marcell Jansen also seem to have some Eastern/North-Eastern ancestry (probably Baltic most likely) but it is too subtle and not enough to make him look too alien/weird.

    Wesley Sneijder doesn't have mongoloid eyes, but he is obviously not pure Indo-European.


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    For Thunor's sake - if you have no clue of what you're talking about, please have the courtesy to either shut up or at least say it less confidently, because people might actually believe the nonsense you're dishing them.

    Holger Badstuber shows not a single trait representative of Baltid influence, let alone East-Baltid influence. And certainly not Mongoloid influence. The hobby-anthropologist who confuses "Schlupflider" (common phenomenon amongst European Cro-Magnids caused by deep eye-sockets between prominent brow ridges) with either a fake epicanthus (borealisation from a non-epicanthus subtype) or even a true epicanthus (by racial description).

    Furthermore, please do explain how Baltid influence ended up in the Bavarian countryside, where it is simply unknown. If there were any, then by morphology it would be West Baltid or Baltid proper, but certainly not East Baltid.

    Some other pictures would highlight that he is more likely to be classified along the Faelid + Nordid strand, though, which is also possible with his origin. Potentially with an Alpinised character which is responsible for what you termed as "Ob-Ugric" (WTF?! )

    Wesley Sneijder doesn't have mongoloid eyes, but he is obviously not pure Indo-European.
    You're kidding me, right? Where is his ancestry supposed to come from then?
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Holger Badstuber shows not a single trait representative of Baltid influence, let alone East-Baltid influence.
    I do think he does, he is not anywhere near to being a textbook Baltid due to the additional Nordid components, but Baltid is there:








    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    though, which is also possible with his origin. Potentially with an Alpinised character which is responsible for what you termed as "Ob-Ugric" (WTF?! )
    Ob-Ugric is what in genetic is called Uralic and in linguistics it belongs to the Ugric branch of the Finno-Ugric languages.

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    He is 189cm tall, according to Wikipedia.

    East-Baltid may in fact go too far. But Baltid influence is present in my opinion. It's not only the shape of the eyes, but also the rather frontal cheekbones that suggest such influence. When you see him in action in the national team, it becomes even more obvious that he is somewhat different from, let's say: Mertesacker, who can be considered a typical Nordid-Dalofaelid German.

    Baltid is not so uncommon in Germany, however it is, as is well-known, much more frequent in the Northeast than in the Southeast.

    So, the non-apodictic assessment of another hobby anthropologist is: Dalofaelid with Baltid and minor Nordoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HamilkarBarkas View Post
    So, the non-apodictic assessment of another hobby anthropologist is: Dalofaelid with Baltid and minor Nordoid.
    If I would base myself just on the first picture, I would have added Dalofaelid as well, but looking at the other pictures it seems like it would be an additional robust influence from Baltid that shows itself in non-typical Baltid faeliform way due to the additional Nordid components.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassenhygieniker View Post
    Ob-Ugric is what in genetic is called Uralic and in linguistics it belongs to the Ugric branch of the Finno-Ugric languages.
    I am well aware what sub-branches there are to the Finno-Ugric languages. It's not a correct sub-racial terminus, though. Linking subrace to ethnicity to linguistics is a highly dangerous undertaking, basically the main issue is that this works only with highly isolated populations, and then only with those that have been historically isolated, not those that migrated to isolation (would work for the Basque, but not the Icelanders).
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    "Schlupflider" (common phenomenon amongst European Cro-Magnids caused by deep eye-sockets between prominent brow ridges)
    Thank you Sigurd, that's exactly what I was wondering about. I've always noticed whether people have 'schlupflider' or not and was curious about it. I suppose people may get sagging skin over the eyelids during old age, but you also see many young people with it as well. My dad has it (50% English, 50% northern French) but my mother and I do not.


    http://www.augenarzt-hoffmann.de/bil...upflid_1_2.jpg

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