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    Post Interesting Quotes from the Bible

    It is a central dogma of all fundamental Christians that the Bible is without error. They teach this conclusion by "reasoning" that god cannot be the author of false meaning and he cannot lie. Is this true? If written by a perfect being, then it must not contradict itself, as a collection of books written by different men at different times over many centuries would be expected to contradict each other. With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.


    ON THE SABBATH DAY

    "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8

    "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans 14:5 [top]


    ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH

    "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

    "... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10


    ON SEEING GOD

    "... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

    "No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18


    ON HUMAN SACRIFICE

    "... Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God..." -- Leviticus 18:21

    [In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] "... If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering" (Judges 11:30-31).

    [The terms were acceptable to god -- remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future -- so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] -- Judges 11:29-34


    ON THE POWER OF GOD

    "... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

    "...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19


    ON DEALING WITH PERSONAL INJURY

    "...thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. " -- Exodus 21:23-25

    "...ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." -- Matthew 5:39 [top]


    ON CIRCUMCISION

    "This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." -- Genesis 17:10

    "...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." -- Galatians 5:2 [top]


    ON INCEST

    "Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

    "And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

    [But what was god's reaction to Abraham, who married his sister -- his father's daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

    "And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16 [top]


    ON TRUSTING GOD

    "A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD..." -- Proverbs 12:2

    Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: "Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause." -- Job 2:3


    ON THE HOLY LIFE-STYLE

    "Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart..." -- Ecclesiastes 9:7

    "...they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not..." -- Corinthians 7:30


    ON PUNISHING CRIME

    "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel 18:20

    "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation..." -- Exodus 20:5


    ON TEMPTATION

    "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- James 1:13

    "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..." -- Genesis 22:1 [top]


    ON FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS

    "Honor thy father and thy mother..."-- Exodus 20:12

    "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. " -- Luke 14:26


    ON RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD

    "...he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. " -- Job 7:9

    "...the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth...." -- John 5:28-29


    ON THE END OF THE WORLD

    "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. " -- Matthew 16:28

    "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. " -- Luke 21:32-33

    "And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light." -- Romans 13:11-12

    "Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh." -- James 5:8

    "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." -- 1 John 2:18

    "But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer." -- 1 Peter 4:7

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    Post Belief

    But what, if anything, do YOU believe in?

    "We never want to see a lack of Religion and Faith, and do not want our churches turned into clubrooms and cinemas".
    [Adolf Hitler, speech to the Reichstag, 21st May 1935]

    "It is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely TALK of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity".
    [Hitler speech, Stuttgart, 15th February, 1933]

    The view that Hitler was an 'atheist' is a standard 'Hollywood Nazi' distortion.
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    I'm really tired of the same old "Hitler was Christian" arguments. Hitler made an effort not to alienate Christians during his ascension to power. In private he detested Christianity, and rightfully so.

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance."

    "Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilization at a single stroke."

    "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

    Hitler also said something to the effect of "One can either be a Christian or a German, there is no middle ground."

    The "Christian Hitler" myth should be laid to rest immediately. The only people I see clinging to it are the Aryan Nations-Christian Identity types.

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    I am an athiest, but I've never understood the need some feel to disprove Christianity. They are not going to listen!

    I think Christianity played an important part in our history (obviously). We cannot deny that. And the Bible does have some good lessons in it. Does not mean I am a Christian for saying so. Religion in the past had given our people direction. Our pagan beliefs would have done so too, but we were to weak and we could not fight to hold on to our traditions! Learn from this!

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    So Hitler was neither atheist or Christian...

    Nationalist intelligensia is shifting in America. New arrivals from the cradle (younger crowd) are largely neo-pagan/atheist while other newcomers from the destroyed right are either similarly areligious or not disposed to harp on their Xianity while standing at heathen campfire.

    Christianity's influence, as Venessa said, is undoubted. Personally, I'm hard pressed to find 'healthy' influence. It's inherent pacifism and universalism are finally and fully expressed today. It is closer to Jesus's words than ever before. The European martial spirit and national pride survived centuries in spite of the gospel. Ironically, its final achievement is accompanied by decadence and dissipation. Its modes are usurped by others.

    Hitler's comment that "Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child" is apt when we bring it up to date. Marxist Utopianism and Marxist retribution pervade the West with ethnicity replacing class. The inheritors of interventionist 'do-gooding' are just as irrational, emotional and hateful as the Xian Abolitionists 150 years ago.

    Lawless and I disagreed mildly over the relationship between modern nationalism and Xianity. My belief is that there is no need for the same degree of pandering today to a thoroughly emasculated Xianity. At any rate, some of the leaders from the Xian WN groups are clearly counter-productive.

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    I'm also a bit tired of the "Hitler was a bible christian" propaganda. I mean, even if he was: So what? One does not need to be a christian in order to be a National Socialist, and every attempt I've seen to reconcile MODERN racialism with christianity - such as the afore-mentioned "Aryan Nations" - has fallen flat IMO.
    We don't live in the 1930s, and many of us don't even live in Germany, so to cling to every aspect of the National Socialism of 1930's Germany is pretty silly. Modern National Socialism must reflect the changing times...the current "Zeitgeist" of OUR age, not Hitlers age.

    Also, there is at least some evidence which points to the possibility that Hitler and other nazi leading lights were not as "christian" as they needed to pretend to be for political reasons.
    Volkish occultism (Odinism and similar practices, basically) had a substantial following in Austria and Germany during Hitlers period of racial awakening, and I have read that the early German Workers Party was essentially the political arm of the volkish "Thule Society".
    I'm not one of these people who believes the nazis were a bunch of black magicians or anything, but the volkish presence should be noted.

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    Volkish traditions are not about black magic or something weird, they are about our efforts to understand the phenomena which cannot be explained properly and its about a belief in transcendental wisdom, rather than superficial pretence.

    I accept Thule as something genuine and sincere.

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    << Volkish traditions are not about black magic or something weird >>

    I know.
    Re-reading my post, however, I can see why maybe you thought I was equating Volkish movements with 'black magic'. Poor sentence structure on my part.
    For the recond, I whole-heartedly support Volkish traditions.

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    Mein Kampf, called the 'Bible of Nazism', could only have been written by a Christian.

    Mein Kampf abounds with references to the Lord, the Almighty, the Creator, all in a Christian context.
    The most famous quote is surely this one;

    "Thus did I now believe that I must act in the sense of the Almighty Creator: By defending myself against the Jews I am doing the Lord's work".
    [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf I, chapter 2]

    This aphorism was put on posters,banners and hoardings throughout the Third Reich.

    Of Jesus Christ, Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf;

    "The founder of Christianity made no secret of His estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God; because then, as always, they used religion as a means of advancing their commercial interests. But at that time Christ was nailed to the Cross for his attitude towards the Jews".
    [AH,MK I,11]

    Here we see a clear self-identification being made by Hitler; - Jesus/Hitler.

    As I say, the quotes from Mein Kampf could be multiplied to support the assertion that Hitler was a Christian.

    But what kind of Christian was he?

    We know that he was born a Roman Catholic, as were many leading Nazis; but his mature Christianity was an 'Aryan Christianity'.
    This was nothing new in Germany; Hitler was merely following his mentor Richard Wagner who was also an Aryan Christian.

    As an example look at Wagner's opera 'Parsifal'.
    This opera was a favourite of Hitler's and it is imbued with a Catholic mysticism.
    Interestingly, it was this work which caused F.W.Nietzsche to break with Wagner. With Parsifal, Nietzsche thought that Wagner had gone 'down on his knees in front of the Cross'.

    Aryan Christianity believed that Christ was an Aryan and that true Christianity was Anti-Semitic, and it was therefore the Jew Paul who had perverted Christianity, and any criticism of Christianity made by Aryan Christians was of its intrusive Jewish elements.

    Alfred Rosenberg's 'The Myth of the 20th Century' further elaborates on this Aryan or Germanic Christianity [in this view Folkish/Odinist elements survived into the Christian world - see the work of the 19th century Thulean Guido von List].

    So anyone reading Mein Kampf and 'The Myth of the 20th Century' would be under no illusion - National Socialism stood for "positive Christianity" [see Point 24 of the 25 Points of the NSDAP].

    Are we then to believe that Mein Kampf was a tissue of lies?

    This is what the Jews want us to think!

    Was Hitler a liar in all of his speeches to his beloved German Folk?

    Was Hitler deceiving the Press when he told them;

    "It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false".
    [AH - Sunday Express 28th December, quoted in Michael Walsh 'The Triumph of Reason', HRP 2002]

    Even then, Hitler's enemies were calling him an atheist!

    But we are told that "in private" Hitler was anti-Christian; but where is the evidence?
    Is it in the gossip and tittle-tattle of such discredited Hitler-Haters like Rauschning?
    If so, we can discount it - Rauschning's book 'Hitler Speaks' has been thoroughly refuted and exposed as a fake.

    Why do those who claim to know the 'private Hitler' leave out any SOURCES for their quotes?

    No source, no evidence.

    If we are thinking of the 'Table Talk', then we must remember that those speeches were not 'private', but virtually after-dinner speeches. They were recorded under Bormann's orders, and Bormann was known, unlike Hitler, to be anti-Christian.

    But even in the Table Talk we find the following;

    "Christ was an Aryan, and St.Paul used His doctrine to mobilise the criminal underworld".
    [Table Talk, 13th December 1941]

    This is straightforward Aryan Christianity; as he is said to say in the same book;

    "God made men. But thanks to Original Sin we are men in the image of our world, earning our bread in the sweat of our brow".
    [TT 27th february 1942]

    This is pure Christian morality.

    So are 'Nazis' today discounting the 25 Points, the Programme of the NSDAP and MEIN KAMPF?!?

    I am only stating the facts - I have no agenda other than the truth; why kid ourselves?
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    I still think that Hitlers "christianity" was basically a political guise, and refer you again to the Volkish connections. Even if it wasent, though, who cares? Like I said before, National Socialism must change with the people and times utilizing it. What worked for Hitler in the 1930s won't work today...especially as it concerns christianity.
    Chrisitanity just doesent appeal to many younger racialists anymore, and the people trying to "aryanize" it - like Aryan Nations - just come off looking stupid. With their talk about "Aryan Israelites" and demonic jews, they sound more like the Nation of Islam than an aryan racialist movement.

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