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    Meaning of Finger Manoeuvres?

    I do not know the english word for this, in german i'd call it "Fingerverrenkungen" or something - "contorted finger manoeuvres".



    And I'm always wondering if this could have any meaning, when i see it come to pass.
    Looking at the above picture: does it means that he don't want one of the tree girls tonight, but the guy? Or does it simply means that he is an clown and is fully aware of that fact?

    Among concertgoers, contorted finger manoeuvres are particularly popular:





    Typical heavy metal fans on Wacken Festival, Germany.

    Where does it comes from and what is the meaning of it, if there is one.

    To me, it appears like some sort of "whiggerized" behaviour under a unreflecting people without any classical meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horst Eckel View Post
    I do not know the english word for this, in german i'd call it "Fingerverrenkungen" or something - "contorted finger manoeuvres".



    And I'm always wondering if this could have any meaning, when i see it come to pass.
    Looking at the above picture: does it means that he don't want one of the tree girls tonight, but the guy? Or does it simply means that he is an clown and is fully aware of that fact?

    That's a symbol used originally by american rap and hip-hop singers. It usually stands for "West Coast" by crossing the two middle fingers showing a "W" (like the guy above). A similar sign forming an "E" by holding one of the middle fingers back stands for "East Coast". I guess it's a way for them to identify which rap or hip-hop milieu they belong to or which they prefer.



    Quote Originally Posted by Horst Eckel View Post
    Among concertgoers, contorted finger manoeuvres are particularly popular:





    Typical heavy metal fans on Wacken Festival, Germany.

    Where does it comes from and what is the meaning of it, if there is one.

    That is the famous "sign of the horns".
    You can read more about it here.
    :Überschöpfung:



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    This is a classic Heavy Metal sign. The two fingers "immitate" the devil's horns, it says something like »Hail Satan«, but has become a common greeting sign among all Metallers, whether they are actually Satanists or not.
    The origin reaches back into the late 60s, Black Sabbath with Ozzy, who was, as far as I know, the first one to use it.


    To the rest of the finger acrobatics I cant say much, but I would think that they are rather mindlessly stolen from signs with a meaning, the first pic looks like someone trying to look "cool" with hip-hop poses, the girlies and the metrosexual guy certainly never have listened to "Rock" beyond Britney Spears or Janette Biedermann, and even less know what this sign says.
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    The first finger acrobatics, the wiggerish "W/E" can be explained in a few words... (I appropriately represent the first two with Negroes )

    [though it is funnier in spoken tongue, so say it out loud. ]

    "West Coast!"


    "East Coast!"


    "Holocaust!"




    (potential historical inaccuracies aside, that is)


    ....finally, on a similar note:

    "L" for "Luxembourg, you idiots!"
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I know that Dio popularized it but the following image from 1968 is the earliest known of a band flashing the horns.

    Interesting side note:
    The opening track on Coven's Witchcraft Destroys Minds and Reaps Souls was called 'Black Sabbath'.
    The name of the bassist for Coven was Oz Osbourne. (No relation to Ozzy )
    This album came out BEFORE Black Sabbath the band put out their own debut album later in the same year.
    It is alleged that the more famous Ozzy actually did play bass in a band called Magic Lanterns.


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    I don't know about this particular guy in the first picture, but anyone I know who makes that sign (the west coast one) is usually just taking the piss out of people who think they are hard or rappers :p. I wouldn't say it says too much about him, other than he perhaps is sarcastic and doesn't listen to rap. Although, maybe I just am friends with very sarcastic people.

    I find it funny to see Europeans try to figure out what this "strange sign" could possibly suggest about him. Also, he is not a metrosexual :p. That is a laughable ascertation. He is merely wearing a shirt? Whilst he does look like a dork, not everyone has to look dirty, greasy, or unkempt like those shirtless metal kids (especially if they have a proper job). If he were a metrosexual, he'd look a lot more like the average skinny German bloke you see on the street (with a v-neck soo deep it reveals his entire hairy chest) and buzzed hair. No offense to the Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post


    This is a classic Heavy Metal sign. The two fingers "immitate" the devil's horns, it says something like »Hail Satan«, but has become a common greeting sign among all Metallers, whether they are actually Satanists or not.
    The origin reaches back into the late 60s, Black Sabbath with Ozzy, who was, as far as I know, the first one to use it.

    According to Dio he brought it to America from Italy, his grandmother used to do the horns to protect from evil. So guess it comes from catholic tradition.

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    I guess they worship satan at the University of Texas. Some libertards got hold of GWB making a "hook 'em horns" sign and said it was proof he worshipped the devil.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    According to Dio he brought it to America from Italy, his grandmother used to do the horns to protect from evil. So guess it comes from catholic tradition.
    Desmond Morris, in his book "Bodytalk. A World Guide to Gestures" (1994) gives four potential meanings for the horns, since his explanations are rather lengthy I am interpreting them here:

    - Hand with horns, vertical: cheated-on husband. At least 2,500 years old, origin unclear and debated. Morris gives four as most plausible: (1) Irony. (2) Castration, bulls used to be castrated. (3) Anger felt when discovered. (4) Virility of the new lover. Most common in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Malta.

    - Hand with horns, horizontal: Protection from the "evil look". Probably the one you are looking for, as it is used only in Italy and Malta. Older than Christianity, usually linked to a pre-Christian horned god for protection. Survived christianisation. Now mostly used as "touch wood" or "good luck".

    - Hand with horns, turning: Protection from ill. Unlike the other two, derived from a type of reptile, as it is known in the areas used as "Lagarto" (Lacertidae/Salamander gesture). Usually used when someone uses the taboo word "Culebra" (snake). Spread only in South America.

    - Texas University. Emblem is Longhorn Cattle, to resemble this. Pictures above explain that already, so I won't go into detail.

    With the second one most plausible as an explanation for the one Dio's grandmother would have brought, it would be an old Heathen gesture which then became a Christian gesture after some millenia (which CHristians curiously used for the pre-Christian horned god they later used as an image for the devil), and it was then appropriated by all types of metalheads.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    On another note:

    I'm not sure whether this is perhaps more of "things you've noticed" material, but I'll openly pose the question to the bunch of you's out there, since it has been puzzling me for a couple of days when I first notice and still keeps me puzzled, actually almost irritated.

    I am wondering why the space left by vBulletin between two posts is greater when the post above has been thanked than if the post above has not been thanked (the "unthanked" spacing corresponds to the spacing between post and thanks, though). I am heavily wondering why?
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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