Your Opinion on the National Alliance

[Siegfried]

I've been thinking about joining the Alliance, but almost everything I know about them either came from their own media outlets or from the controlled media (which was, of course, hostile); I find it therefore difficult to form an objective opinion on this organisation. What's your opinion on the National Alliance? What are your experiences with them? Is it true that they have lost a lot of members since the death of Pierce? If so, has the Alliance stabilised by now, or are the losses continuing?

[Phlegethon]

Why would a Dutchman want to join a totally ridiculous, incompetent, small American raicst cult group? I think Dutch nationalist parties need your support more than them.

[kinvolk]

The N.A. Under Mr. E. Gleib is struggling. I hope that they can get thru all the various factional infighting and re-organize. So they may continue to do good work for our people. The N.A., although based in W.Virginia.U.S. is a world wide organization with members in many countries. A Big round of applause for the National Alliance!

[Phlegethon]

My own family is a stronger world wide association than the NA. They probably have around 400 members now, in a country of about 280 million. That's 8 per state. Or .01% of the size of the Harry Potter fan club.

[Siegfried]

Why would a Dutchman want to join a totally ridiculous, incompetent, small American raicst cult group? I think Dutch nationalist parties need your support more than them.

And which party should I then support? The liberals of Nieuw Rechts who dare not openly put the ethnoracial question but reduce it all to 'culture'? The fringe group NVU, which openly flirts with National-Socialism and has a core of skinheads? Tiny groups like the NNP and the Nationale Alliantie, both of which seem unprofessional and rigid? The Nationale Alliantie is also incredibly arrogant and seems narrow-minded. I don't feel at home in such organisations.
And most of all; I have lost faith in the path of party politics. Such parties are only useful to the degree that they raise ethnoracial awareness or stall the demographic disaster. I recently visited Rotterdam and saw at least as many non-Whites as Whites. It's just not realistic to expect to repatriate a million non-Europeans, especially not through the System.
But I also don't just want to sit here and whine over the internet; I want to do something constructive, which is why I started looking in other directions. The National Alliance is but one option I'm considering.

The N.A. Under Mr. E. Gleib is struggling. I hope that they can get thru all the various factional infighting and re-organize. So they may continue to do good work for our people. The N.A., although based in W.Virginia.U.S. is a world wide organization with members in many countries.

That was also the impression I got. From what I've heard, the number of paying members is down, but the number of active members is up. There's also supposedly some internal strife, but at the same time they seem to become more professional. I really don't know what to think. And it's indeed not just an American organisation (though most of its members are indeed American); I've also spoken to British and Swedish members.

They probably have around 400 members now, in a country of about 280 million. That's 8 per state.

400? That's a lot less than I expected. What are your sources?

[AngryPotato]

I used to like National Alliance under Dr. Pierce a lot. With him you had the intelligent, strong male needed for leadership and he was a likeable man. Since his death I saw a change or noticed something that I didn't see/read about before. NatAll was becoming or had been very pro Muslim. I do not agree with this approach. I refuse to associate/support any organization that humps the leg of the Arab dog. I don't know your views on the brownies, but I would seriously look into their agenda about Muslims/Arabs. If you're Dutch you would probably be better suited to joining a local organization than an American one. I doubt that NatAll would say generalized and unproductive comments about the Dutch and their organizations and would warmly welcome you to the flock, but the NatAll material that I've read in the past has been directed at Americans.

[Louky]

My own family is a stronger world wide association than the NA. They probably have around 400 members now, in a country of about 280 million. That's 8 per state. Or .01% of the size of the Harry Potter fan club.

You have no idea what you are writing and you are far, far from accurate.

[Phlegethon]

You have no idea what you are writing and you are far, far from accurate.

I have my sources both inside and outside the NA. It is funny how many of their members still beleive this silly "we are growing in numners" propaganda when exactly the opposite is true. It is quite easy to erect Potemkin's villages on the Internet but the offline NA is hardly visible, their literature distributions in the middle of the night and their pathetically small rallies are a joke.

Apart from that probably every 5th member is an informer of sorts. That's not really surprising or unusual but definitely more harmful in small organizations with very small local groups.

Apart from that the NA perfectly fits into the description of a quasi-religious cult. This has kept them marginal for the last 30 years and they will remain marginal if they do not give up this mindset.

[Phlegethon]

Apart from that I am perfectly aware of the bad political situation in the Netherlands and their pathetically small nationalist or proto-nationalist parties. I used to know Hans Janmaat and we worked with people in CP '86 before they fell apart/got disbanded.

NVU: Too small, too fringe, too hated, too Hitlerite. A cult. Not worth any support.

Leefbar Nederland: Neither nationalist nor successful. Will fold soon.

Nieuw Rechts: May have some potential if the right people supported them over a period of a few years.

NNP: Probably the same as Nieuw Rechts.

First of all you have to give up the expectation that there is a perfect party to join or support or that there will be visible short-term results. Such expectations will only lead to disillusionment. Join the most coherent, logical group and try to steer it into the right direction. That is the only way it will work. If you do not find such a group in the Netherlands what exactly do you expect from sending a few bucks each month to a compound in the neck of the woods of West Virginia?

[Julius]

I believe it's pointless to join any activist organization outside your own country.

You might be surprised by who you meet in national-democratic parties. Over here there are a lot more revolutionary and intelligent people in the legal parties than in the "revolutionary" ones.

I don't know anything about the groups in the Netherlands, but Phlegethon is right (as always ).