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    Obama's Katrina

    This is day 37 of the slow motion disaster resulting from the collapse of the BP oil platform 40-miles off the coast of Lousiana. After more then a month, and the leak still not plugged, the marshlands near the mouth of the Miississippi have been contaminated. Though BP is liable for the initial collapse of the platform, the Obama administration cannot shirk responsibilty for their lack of action. It may get worst if the oil slick flows out of the Gulf of Mexico & up the Eastern Seaboard. On the plus side it shows how incompetent "The First Black President" is.

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    If the government would have taken over the clean up you would instead be posting about how Obama wants to interfere with business and that the government in ineffective at cleaning up the spill and he should have let BP do what it knows how to do. This is BPs fault, among others, not Obamas.


    Another thing, I was in the Super Dome for Katrina and experienced it first hand. I do not see how this compares to that at all. Maybe I am missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magni View Post
    If the government would have taken over the clean up you would instead be posting about how Obama wants to interfere with business and that the government in ineffective at cleaning up the spill and he should have let BP do what it knows how to do. This is BPs fault, among others, not Obamas.
    Do you honestly think the leaders of this country can do anything right except enslave us, burden us with more taxes and debt, maneuver around our rights and freedom, legislate us to death, encourage multiculturalism, force cultural marxism down our throats, instill restitution for slavery through the welfare system, indoctrinate our children through the education system, and whole host or other bad things. Why these 'people' could not even run a house of ill repute let alone clean up a oil spill.

    What makes this a mistake by president Waschbär is that he got involved and slowed down the clean up. There were people who came up with things right away to slow the oil down and they had to go through government channels just to suggest ideas.

    Another thing, I was in the Super Dome for Katrina and experienced it first hand. I do not see how this compares to that at all. Maybe I am missing something?
    Not that I'm sticking up for president bush( have not thought of really good nick for him yet) but was Katrina his fault ? The media sure did make it look that way.

    I think this quote applies here very well
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    Well, we have a different mindset. I am not anti-government, I am pro large powerful, centralized government. That said, I do not like our current president as much as the next guy but I still fail to see how this is the governments fault. It is BPs fault for taking short cuts to save money. Period. And people lost their lives because of those decisions in addition to the environmental impact. We need much tighter regulations on business, which I know is not a popular idea with the American right. I am hoping this incident wakes some people up and we stop letting these corporations run rampant doing whatever they well please.

    And no, Katrina was not really Bush's fault. He should have acted faster and it definitely could have been handled better but I would not lay the blame for it on him.

    And I hope you see the irony in that Reagan comment considering the man was part of the government. It is called lip service.

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    If you did not notice that I'm do not adhere to "right" in this country.

    Nobody has stated what caused the explosion of the oil rig. Those facts are not known as of yet. Here is good video to watch and I will let you think about it.
    crisis video


    Government no matter what the form is the curse of us all.

    Do you honestly believe a big overpowering government whether right or left knows what is best for you and life. The very thought of that is sounds like slavery to me.

    Reagan was one of the better presidents in the 20Th century, he wanted to pull out of Europe, unite Germany, lower taxes, and reduce the size or government. Yes he was part of the government that does not mean he was for a overpowering government.

    It does not matter whether he was part of the government or not the statement holds a lot of truth.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magni View Post
    If the government would have taken over the clean up you would instead be posting about how Obama wants to interfere with business and that the government in ineffective at cleaning up the spill and he should have let BP do what it knows how to do. This is BPs fault, among others, not Obamas.


    Another thing, I was in the Super Dome for Katrina and experienced it first hand. I do not see how this compares to that at all. Maybe I am missing something?
    People will only put the environment before themselves when it has a direct impact on them. Despite the catastrophe, most people seem to be going about their lives as if nothing is happening. They're still driving all over the place in their gas-guzzling SUVs and trucks, just living for the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magni View Post
    If the government would have taken over the clean up you would instead be posting about how Obama wants to interfere with business and that the government in ineffective at cleaning up the spill and he should have let BP do what it knows how to do. This is BPs fault, among others, not Obamas.
    As G. Baughman has pointed out they have been involved. The way they could have been useful is in protecting the beaches & marshes and containing the slick over the last 38-days.

    Another thing, I was in the Super Dome for Katrina and experienced it first hand. I do not see how this compares to that at all. Maybe I am missing something?
    It (the oil leak) is a disaster that was foreseen for over a month. Obama is unprepared to deal with it. Bush was unprepared for Katrina & the aftermath, though in Bushes defence there was less warning. And the Negroes of New Orleans have to accept some of the responsibility for not evacuating.

    Since you were at the Superdome during Katrina, maybe you would like to share you experiences with us in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magni View Post
    Well, we have a different mindset. I am not anti-government, I am pro large powerful, centralized government.
    That is a bad thing. What happens when you end up with a presidnet like Obama. Oh wait!

    That said, I do not like our current president as much as the next guy but I still fail to see how this is the governments fault. It is BPs fault for taking short cuts to save money. Period.
    I'm not saying it is not BP's fault & they should pay. But Obama could have had the Army Corp of Engineers &/or the Seabees assisting in plugging the leak (this would be the sort of the thing they are good at) or containing the slick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post



    I'm not saying it is not BP's fault & they should pay. But Obama could have had the Army Corp of Engineers &/or the Seabees assisting in plugging the leak (this would be the sort of the thing they are good at) or containing the slick.

    I certainly agree with you on this point. The government, Obama I guess, should have been doing all they can to help reign this in. Certainly a month is more than enough time to see that BP really has no idea at all how to stop the leak. I have just been seeing all over the internet that this is Obama's fault. Some people will excuse the corporations of anything. The world that makes me shudder with fear is the one ruled by the corporations and it seems to me that that is the world we are going to end up with.


    I'll read that thread and let yall know what it was like from the inside of the Superdome.

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    They'll probably be trying to slow everything down as much as they can (the govt). Because after all, if you were a zionist, wouldn't you try and bankrupt Americans' faster by letting the cleanup bill grow massive. And secondly, when it becomes soooo big, why not tax everyone for a new 'oil spill tax', or some 'preventative disaster tax', maybe even a 'human emergency obama rapists support zion jew tax'?

    Your jew govt doesn't have the need to do anything here, other than plot to use it as a media event when they stage the 'clean up'. Becuase when you look at the nuts and bolts of it, (from OS), your govt only works for itself, not the people, nor the environment. It's pretty awful.

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    Obama's credibility hits rock bottom

    This is the opinion of a British newspaper. Obama seemed to be more popular in Europe then America when he was elected, I guess the love affair is over.

    The first thing Barack Obama probably should have done was to order the livestreaming Oil Spill Cam to be turned off. As the President insisted to Americans that he was "singularly focused" on staunching the flow, there was that mesmerising image on their television screens of plumes of hydrocarbons gushing relentlessly into the Gulf of Mexico.

    When any political leader feels they have to declare that they are "fully engaged" in an issue, it is clear that they are in trouble. Talking about it undermines the very point you are trying to make - not to mention that pesky Oil Spill Cam showing that, 38 days into the Deepwater Horizon disaster, not a whole lot had been achieved.

    Even judging Obama by his words, he has fallen woefully short over what has now eclipsed the 1989 Exxon Valdez wreck as biggest oil spill catastrophe in American history. He may have described it as an "unprecedented disaster" in last Thursday's press conference but a week into the crisis he was blithely stating that "this incident is of national significance" and rest assured he was receiving "frequent briefings" about it.

    George W Bush's unpopularity and perceived incompetence was encapsulated by the way he dealt with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Candidate Obama branded it "unconscionable incompetence".

    Central to Obama's appeal was his promise to be truly different. His failure to achieve that is now at the core of the deep disappointment Americans feel about him. At the press conference - the first full-scale affair he had deigned to give for 309 days - he appeared uncomfortable and petulant.

    His approach to the issue was that of the law student suddenly fascinated by a science project. He displayed none of the visceral indignation Americans feel about pretty much everything these days - two-thirds now say they are "angry" about the way things are going - resorting instead to Spock-like technocratic language and legalese. "I'm not contradicting my prior point," he stated at one juncture. During those 63 minutes of soporific verbosity, about 800 barrels of oil poured into the Gulf.

    Obama engaged in the obligatory populist bashing of Big Oil and, of course, demonstrated the Obama administration's version of Tourette's Syndrome, blaming the previous administration for the situation when, by my reckoning, it's a full 16 months since Bush left office.

    By Friday, he was sticking his finger in the sand at Grand Isle, Louisiana as part of a photo op self-consciously designed to contrast with Bush's famous looking down on the Katrina devastation from Air Force One. It was Obama's second visit to Louisiana in the 39 days since disaster struck. According to C'BS's Mark Knoller, in the same period Bush visited the post-Katrina region seven times.

    But perhaps the most dangerous sign during the press conference for Democrats fearful of an unprecedented electoral disaster in November's mid-term elections was the evasion and opacity of the man who promised a new era of transparency and a different kind of politics.

    When asked about the resignation of the director of the Minerals Management Service - an agency he had excoriated - he professed that "I don't know the circumstances in which this occurred". She had, of course, been fired.

    Even worse was Obama's refusal to say anything about the growing furore over White House attempts to persuade Congressman Joe Sestak to pull out of the Democratic Senate primary contest in Pennsylvania. Obama's advisers had preferred the Republican turncoat Senator Arlen Specter - and Sestak inconveniently let slip that he'd been offered a government job to step aside.

    That was potentially illegal and for weeks the White House stonewalled. When, even more inconveniently, Sestak beat Specter, the trust-us-nothing-untoward-happened approach would no longer wash. But still Obama declined to answer the question on Thursday, fobbing the reporter – and America – off with the promise that "there will be an official response shortly on the Sestak issue".

    This did indeed come the following day – conveniently timed for that Friday afternoon news void before the Memorial Day holiday weekend. Lo and behold, it turns out that none other than former President Bill Clinton was asked by Obama's chief of staff and Chicago enforcer Rahm Emanuel to offer Sestak a place on a presidential board.

    Whether or not the law was broken, the cynicism of this is breathtaking. Obama offered a break from the Clinton-Bush past and an end to the shoddy backroom deals of Washington. So what does he do? He tries to deny Pennsylvania voters a chance to decide for themselves by using his former foe Clinton to offer a grubby inducement.

    It was perhaps a fitting end to one of the worst weeks of Obama presidency, in which a Rasmussen one poll pegged his popularity at a new low of 42 percent. In an environment in which Americans are disillusioned and cynical about Washington and all it stands for, the Clinton-Sestak manoeuvre could be a political calamity for Obama.

    Perhaps he should be grateful after all that the Oil Spill Cam was still beaming up footage from the sea bed.

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