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    Things to Thank England for

    50 percent of the world's inventions come from England, just other nations perfect them. We made the jet engine, just not the me262. Thank England for: soccer, tennis, tv, radio, the web, light bulbs, refrigerators, microwaves, sewing machines, the steam engine, internal combustion engine, electric motor, jet engine...
    Add your favourites, thank god for England!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress Germania View Post
    50 percent of the world's inventions come from England, just other nations perfect them. We made the jet engine, just not the me262. Thank England for: soccer, tennis, tv, radio, the web, light bulbs, refrigerators, microwaves, sewing machines, the steam engine, internal combustion engine, electric motor, jet engine...
    Add your favourites, thank god for England!
    Thanks,

    But I thought the light bulb was by the American Thomas Edison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    Thanks,

    But I thought the light bulb was by the American Thomas Edison?
    I don't think that's the only debatable suggestion. TV & radio was invented elsewhere I think.

    Mind you, it's no certainty that Edison invented the light bulb. There were several other claimants at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Way of Deception View Post
    I don't think that's the only debatable suggestion. TV & radio was invented elsewhere I think.

    Mind you, it's no certainty that Edison invented the light bulb. There were several other claimants at the time.
    Yes. One must be careful when giving credit to a people for various inventions, if some of them are incorrect it could give a negative picture of the people rather than the intended positive. There is a list online giving Blacks credit for all sorts of inventions, including the light bulb. When you realize the list is false, the view of Blacks doesn't really improve.

    That said, the English have invented lots of things, probably more than most other peoples in the world. I'd just suggest giving a fully correct list, I'm sure that it would be long enough as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    Thanks,

    But I thought the light bulb was by the American Thomas Edison?
    Not exactly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incande...rcial_research

    Most other articles that are not Wikipedia seem to stick to Edison and Swan, or Edison and Latimer.

    EDIT: To slow!

    An African American did work on Edison's team improving the lightbulb. He at the least improved the production method for the filaments. He was the lead draftsman for the patents. This is Latimer by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deifr View Post
    Not exactly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incande...rcial_research

    Most other articles that are not Wikipedia seem to stick to Edison and Swan, or Edison and Latimer.

    EDIT: To slow!
    Yeah and I think that tends to be the case for many (most?) inventions. Multiple claimants. Which is why it's often rather dubious to attribute inventions to one person.

    Even the Jet Engine doesn't belong entirely to Whittle or Von Ohain. There were several developments prior to that.

    The Internet was invented by the US military in California I thought. That's an example of an invention where you can be sure of its origin. I think people are sometimes mistaken about the role of Tim Berners-Lee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deifr View Post

    An African American did work on Edison's team improving the lightbulb. He at the least improved the production method for the filaments. He was the lead draftsman for the patents. This is Latimer by the way.
    Yes his name stood on the list for the light bulb. It was just that it said "Inventor". Of course one can debate whether more than one person should be able to claim an invention. This is why "Invetors lists" tend to be a bit misleading It's best to add a short description what a person did.

    So it would look better if they actually said what Latimer and the others did rather than calling them "Inventors" which may come across as trying to fool the reader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    Yes his name stood on the list for the light bulb. It was just that it said "Inventor". Of course one can debate whether more than one person should be able to claim an invention. This is why "Invetors lists" tend to be a bit misleading It's best to add a short description what a person did.

    So it would look better if they actually said what Latimer and the others did rather than calling them "Inventors" which may come across as trying to fool the reader.
    Indeed...

    Did Lewis Latimer invent the carbon filament in 1881 or 1882? No! English chemist/physicist Joseph Swan experimented with a carbon-filament incandescent light all the way back in 1860, and by 1878 had developed a better design which he patented in Britain.
    On the other side of the Atlantic, Thomas Edison developed a successful carbon-filament bulb, receiving a patent for it (#223898) in January 1880, before Lewis Latimer did any work in electric lighting.
    From 1880 onward, countless patents were issued for innovations in filament design and manufacture (Edison had over 50 of them). Neither of Latimer’s two filament-related patents in 1881 and 1882 were among the most important innovations, nor did they make the light bulb last longer, nor is there reason to believe they were adopted outside Hiram Maxim’s company where Latimer worked at the time. (He was not hired by Edison’s company until 1884, primarily as a draftsman and an expert witness in patent litigations).

    Latimer also did not come up with the first screw socket for the light bulb or the first book on electric lighting.
    Heinrich Göbel, or later: Henry Goebel (April 20, 1818 - December 4, 1893), born in Germany, was a precision mechanic and inventor, who was long time seen as an early pioneer who independently developed designs for an incandescent light bulb. He emigrated to New York City & lived there until his death. Göbel made a claim in the 1890's during litigation over Edison's light bulb patent that, back in 1854, he had designed the first practical bulb.

    "There are inconsistent judgements for and against Edison. Edison is only successful in two processes with appeal. This does not mean that the real truth had come forth.

    Göbel's main evidence was witnesses, which US patent courts discounted. His legal suit was called "interference" by the patent office and he eventually lost his case.

    Lewis Latimer discredited Göbel by demonstrating that his supposed 1850s bulb had been built much later. But in fact Göbel had openly recreated his 1859 tools and bulbs for the courts:

    In front of experts, called by the court, Goebel reconstructs the tools he used at that time and also his lamps of 1859.

    Judge Colt explained how he ruled based on probabilities:

    "It is extremely improbable that Henry Göbel constructed a practical incandescent lamp in 1854. This is manifest from the history of the art for the past fifty years, the electrical laws which since that time have been discovered as applicable to the incandescent lamp, the imperfect means which then existed for obtaining a vacuum, the high degree of skill necessary in the construction of all its parts, and the crude instruments with which Göbel worked."

    A few months after a court decision established the Edison's priority, Göbel died of pneumonia.
    However, the true breakthrough came when William David Coolidge invented the tungsten filament, which dramatically increased the bulb’s life span. Tungsten is also the filament used in present day bulbs.

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    I'd like to give J.R.R. Tolkien a special Thanks in this thread

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    But...but...but how on earth did these Anglo-Saxons invent so much at a time when there was almost zero ethnic "enrichment" from the third-world in England?

    How could this happen?


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