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    Question What is the Difference Between Atlanto Mediterranean and Gracile Mediterranean?

    I'm new here.
    I wanted to know what is between difference Atlanto Med and Gracile Med ?
    I know Gracile Med are not as tall as Atlanto Med but which is difference and similiar ?
    Which one are darker ?

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    The main differences are height as you already said and bone robustness.

    Furthermore, pigmentation in Atlantomediterranids seems to be, as a rule of thumb, often lighter than in Gracilemediterranids, the latter being more common in habitats even further South than the main habitat of Atlantomediterranids (the whole of Western Europe, Northern parts of Italy respectively Spain).

    Gracilemediterranids are numerous in Southern Italy, most parts of Spain, in many parts of Greece, especially the islands, but also some of the southernmost parts of the Peloponnesos (Mani), so their compared to Atlantomediterranids darker pigmentation makes sense of course.

    For further reading:

    http://forums.skadi.net/forumdisplay.php?f=109

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    Thank you for comment.
    Anyway, I believe that Mediterranean show similiar to Nordic type but Atlanto Med are more similiar to Nordic because of their height than Gracile Med.

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    What is the difference between Atlanto-meds and Atlanto-Nordids? Is it pigmentation or are they both the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æğele Wiğercwida View Post
    What is the difference between Atlanto-meds and Atlanto-Nordids? Is it pigmentation or are they both the same?
    Apparently, North-Atlantids look more Nordic

    The North-Atlantid takes an intermediate morphological and anthropometric position between the tall Atlanto-Mediterranid and Nordish (chiefly Nordid) types involved in its formation, but the latter elements predominate, and the impression is more usually of an "exotic Nordid" phenotype than of a "nordicized Mediterranid" one.
    http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-north.htm

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    I agree with you because North Atlantid look more nordic of their fair eye colour I supposed.

    Gracile Med strike me as southern looks and Atlanto Med strike me as Western and Southern looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æğele Wiğercwida View Post
    What is the difference between Atlanto-meds and Atlanto-Nordids? Is it pigmentation or are they both the same?
    "Atlanto-Nordid" designates a range, a spectrum, whereas "Atlantomediterranid" is a clearly distinct type ("Atlanto-Nordid" is not, contrarily to what I might have said in a different context). Some typologists (to my knowledge mainly Agrippa) use "Atlanto-Nordid" to describe an individual who shows traits of both the Nordid and the Atlanto-Mediterranid type but does not clearly belong to one or the other but neither to the Atlantid type (see as follows).

    On the other hand, "Atlantid" is a more palpable type in the transition between Atlantomediterranid and Nordid, more often than not with brown (instead of blondish) hair and brown or dark brown hair, often also with some Dinaromorph features similar to the Keltic Nordid type, the latter differing from the Atlantid mostly by the lighter pigmentation (fair hair, mostly blue eyes). Many typologists categorize the Atlantid type in the Mediterranid group, thus naming it "Nordomediterranid", others subsume it under the Nordid subrace in the broadest sense of the term. Terminology is quite inconsistent though.

    "Nordatlantid" is quite similar to Atlantid, but this time clearly (or at least much more clearly than the Atlantid) within the Nordid range (whereas "Atlantid" is for most typologists still within the Mediterranid range), mostly with dark hair and blue eyes, the latter being in my view conditio sine qua non for labelling an individual "Nordatlantid".

    If you browse this forum with the respective terms, you will find abundant lecture on any of these terms.

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    Atlanto-Mediterranids are Atlantid + Mediterranid.

    It is hard to find good examples of Atlantid proper, most of them seem to be North-Atlantid, Paleo-Atlantid, Atlantid-Pontid or Atlantid mixed with cromagnoid.

    Mediterranid are Gracile Mediterranid (Mediterranid proper), Penelope Cruz is textbook Gracile Mediterranid.

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    There existed always taller-robust and shorter-gracile versions of the Mediterranid subrace. Simple put, if you assume taller-more robust boned Mediterranid without real Nordoid influences, its Atlantomediterranid, usually having certain facial and other detail features too different from Nordid, at least on average.

    If such a Nordoid influence is visible and/or proven, Atlantid is a good description for that kind of phenotype with darker pigmentation, but otherwise rather Nordoid influenced.

    Atlanto-Nordid is a spectrum not a type.

    Sudano-Kafrid is a comparison, with a basic Negrid type with many individuals being not clearly distinguishable without further information or based on their phenotype. The types can be seen as distinct, but individuals are not always and they have so much in common, that they can be grouped together.

    Atlanto-Nordid being just a similar thing, especially but not only in Western Europe, along the "Atlantic Facade".
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    I agree, There is no such thing as Atlantid-Nordic type but
    i would rather said North Atlantid because they are exit and they have more Nordic influence than Med type.

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