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    Hello from France

    Hello, I'm a 16-year-old student living in France.
    I've a passion for Germanic culture, especially the ancient one (from 500 to the end of the Viking age). But I also like the recent rebirth of scandinavian culture (when I say recent, I mean from the 19th century to today).
    I'm proud of my ancestors, from Yorkshire and France.
    I just ask you to be indulgent with my English.

    My passions are : writing, listening music (Folk/Black/Viking/Death Metal, classical music, Post-rock/ambiant/Folk music, and I forgot some style...).
    I love to read various things :
    -Myths, legends and sagas (my favourites are Germano-scandinavians, Finnish and Precolumbians.)
    -Novels, in all the styles.

    I like to learn foreign languages, for fun. I'm studying English (which I really enjoy... but the school system here in france isn't really good, with dogmatic lessons and methods, texts we don't care about, or maybe "I" don't care about.), I'm also studying Icelandic for "fun", it's a language I really like, the sonority, the culture and the history of it made me learn it (but, with only a small book I accidently found in a bookstore, it's hard to learn well, I just know how to say basic things like "Hello", "How are you" etc.), I began to learn Japanese alone too, a language which is apart of a culture I really like (the myths, the history, the exotism of this culture, and this weird feeling of "all is new, cool and innovative" which is present in Japan made me love it.).

    And, the reason of my presence in this forum is that I love everything which deals with Germanic culture. (History, arts, philosophy, people to meet, etc.)

    (Since I read in some presentation a short sum-up of the new-commer's origins, I'm going to do the same thing :
    My father was born near Bradford, in Yorkshire (Northern England), some people in his family have "...-sson" family name, and I guess, I'd have Scandinavian origins, due to the invasion of northern england by the vikings a long time ago. My mother was born near Nantua, in the french Alps, near Switzerland, but she has northern Italia and French (from the complete middle of France) origins. -Well, is this really important ?-)

    Nice to meet you !

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    Welcome, be glad you don't live in Bradford. I remember when I was a kid, the first time I went there with my dad, I had never seen so many black faces.

    I hope you have never been there, and still think of it as just an old Yorkshire mill town.

    I wish I never saw the place.

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    Welcome to the forum Refur, I'm new here too (well, I signed up ages and ages ago and forgot to post ).

    I have only been to Bradford once, during my time in school, which was a few years back now, we went to see a 'media museum' of sorts, and it really is no joke, there is not a white face to be seen in Bradford. Oh, England.

    I too would love to learn Icelandic, I should really get myself into the swing of things some time soon.

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    Welcome! My mother is from Bradford, and her father's patrilineal lineage is rooted there. Almost none of my family (or any other Yorkshire people) live there anymore, though. My grandma could remember a time when it was almost all-white (incidentally, she lived next to a half-caste family in the 30's, but they were the exception), but, sadly, abuse from ethnic neighbours forced her to spend the rest of her life away from her life-long home. It's funny to look at my mum's school pics (from the 50's) and only see white kids. But, yeah, the place is an absolute dump now.

    And, yes, '-son' names (but not '-sson' names) are common in Yorkshire and Northern England in general. I have one myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    And, yes, '-son' names (but not '-sson' names) are common in Yorkshire and Northern England in general. I have one myself.
    Incidently, a large quantity of names in my family tree are '-son' names, as are the family names of many of my friends.

    That being said, my personal family name isn't a '-son' name

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    -son is original English isn't it? Not something the Vikings introduced I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    -son is original English isn't it? Not something the Vikings introduced I mean.
    Yes. I have five '-son' names in my heritage: Simpson, Sanderson, Stephenson, Robinson and XXXX (my name, not telling ). The latter four are induspustably Northern English. Simpson can be Scottish or Northern English, but is probably English in my case. However, a name ending in '-sson' would imply recent (i.e. post-Viking) Scandinavian ancestry, since no native English surnames have a double 's'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    -son is original English isn't it? Not something the Vikings introduced I mean.
    Aye, I believe so, stemming from a common Germanic term applied to the surname as a suffix to denote patronymic descendancy.

    Although, I don't know what that common Germanic term is, and I'm having no luck finding it on the web

    The -son suffix was present in England prior to any Norse influence as far as I am aware, and it is indeed present in the 'original' English language. The surname Watson is probably a good example of this in that it pre-dates the 7th century, and so any post-Vendel 'Viking' influence can not be evident in it's composition. Watson derives from Watt, which owes it's etymology to Waldhar a compound of the Germanic elements 'Wald', meaning to rule and 'Hari' meaning an army. Another spelling form of Walter is Waldherr, a German name.

    Arn't '-sonn' and '-sen' more commonly (modern) Scandinavian, sharing the same purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entwulf View Post

    Arn't '-sonn' and '-sen' more commonly (modern) Scandinavian, sharing the same purpose?
    -sen in Norway and Denmark, -sson in Iceland and Sweden. -sson is the original Old Norse form. I believe some Dutch people also have -sen names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Yes. I have five '-son' names in my heritage: Simpson, Sanderson, Stephenson, Robinson and XXXX (my name, not telling ). The latter four are induspustably Northern English. Simpson can be Scottish or Northern English, but is probably English in my case. However, a name ending in '-sson' would imply recent (i.e. post-Viking) Scandinavian ancestry, since no native English surnames have a double 's'.
    I would guess that if a Viking with a -sson name settled in England, the name would change to a -son name to look more English after some time, since -sson names do not seem to exist in England apart from those with modern Scandinavian background.

    Did the English always spell it as -son rather than -sson, or is this a change that has occured in later times? The Danes and Norwegians changed their -sson to -sen for example.

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