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    Effeminate Gospel, Effeminate Christians

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    Effeminate Gospel, Effeminate Christians

    by Aaron D. Wolf
    July 10th, 2005



    Every definition of masculinity into which our Lord Jesus Christ does not fit belongs in the rubbish heap. Indeed, there could be no greater example of a man than He. Contrary to modern portrayals, Jesus was neither a sensitive metrosexual nor a macho-macho man. The tenderness that He displayed toward those whom He loved (including His enemies) was paternal and sacrificial, focused not on self-gratification or expression but on the real needs of those He came to save. The Son of Man did not strut about flexing His muscles or cursing at His enemies, because He possessed the quiet confidence of One absolutely certain of His mission and did not need the approval of others in order to maintain that certainty. Nor did He need to “be His own boss” in order to be a man (Isaiah called Him “God’s slave”), insisting, instead, that He came not to do His own will but the “will of Him Who sent Me”—His Father. He resisted the temptation of Satan to perform a spectacular feat of strength by casting Himself down from the pinnacle of the Temple, choosing, rather, the way of the Cross. This Man wept—for Jerusalem, for the family of Lazarus—not out of hypersensitivity or fear but because of His great love for a people languishing under the weight of their own sin. Even in the hour of His torment in Gethsemane, He prayed for those entrusted to His care while battling the Old Serpent, whose head He crushed in the greatest battle ever fought by a man. And He emerged from the grave a King, still bearing the wounds of battle. There will be no democracy on Judgment Day when “the Man comes around,” because only one vote will count: that of the God Who humbled Himself in order to save the ones He loves.

    This is not the language of the American Christian man, who strolls, rosy-cheeked and all aflutter, “in the garden alone,”

    while the dew is still on the roses.
    And the voice I hear falling on my ear—
    the Son of God—discloses.
    And He walks with me and He talks with me.
    And He tells me I am His own.
    And the joy we share as we tarry there—
    none other has ever known.


    These familiar strains from the popular hymn “In the Garden” represent the modern American imagination of the essence of Christianity: a romantic fantasy in which a chivalric Jesus rescues me from my own loneliness and despair and fills all of my emotional needs. This effeminate picture of the Christian life, from the dramatic conversion experience to the long walks in the garden alone with “Jesus,” has produced generations of effeminate Christian men who either allow themselves to be consumed by their imaginary “walks with Jesus” or else drift away from church altogether, knowing that their best efforts at spiritual courtship will fall well short of those of the women who now, more than ever, fill the pews of America’s churches.
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    This fits in with a number of early Germanic portrayals of Jesus.

    My favorite is the Anglo-Saxon poem "Dream of the Rood." Its portrayal of Jesus stripping off his clothes, grabbing hold of the cross, and climbing up to the top to be nailed to it for his sacrifice always inspires me to be a better Christian and a better man.

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    As disciples of Jesus we are to be ready to die for our faith, not like the followers of Islam, that may only die for there faith at the cost of other’s lives.
    We can only die by others hands in verbal defense of our faith.
    The woman and men that have died down through the centuries for Christianity have died in some of the most horrible ways, as you can read below.
    It takes great courage and strength to give your life up for someone else.
    As a man it also takes great commitment to live your life for someone else as Jesus demands. Most people just want to live for themselves and die for themselves and be dammed with the rest.
    I say Christianity can make you more of a man, a man who truly makes sacrifices for this world and the next.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_martyrs

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    I was raised in Christian family, but rejected that faith many years ago. It's not so much the teaching that is allowing the men to become effeminate, it is the interpretation of those teachings.
    Two big problems I have with modern Christianity is the belief that all life is sacred in the eyes of the Lord, and that anyone can be spiritually healed by accepting Jesus. IMO, those two tenets destroyed Christianity and led to a lot of other problems facing it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smirky View Post
    I was raised in Christian family, but rejected that faith many years ago. It's not so much the teaching that is allowing the men to become effeminate, it is the interpretation of those teachings.
    Two big problems I have with modern Christianity is the belief that all life is sacred in the eyes of the Lord,
    What is the problem you have with this? And what exactly do you think the word sacred means here in relation to life? Just trying to fully understand both what you see it to mean and then it may be clearer as to the exact nature of your problem with it.



    and that anyone can be spiritually healed by accepting Jesus. IMO, those two tenets destroyed Christianity and led to a lot of other problems facing it now.
    What is Spiritual healing to you? As in what does it mean to be spiritually healed to you?

    I think it is important to know what words and concepts mean to each individual. The danger of Jargon (in this case religious Jargon) is that people can be saying the same thing but be talking about something completely different to each other, and therefore confusion and frustration is the only outcome.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days

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    Hmmm.........a different POV here.

    Adstar said:"What is the problem you have with this? And what exactly do you think the word sacred means here in relation to life? Just trying to fully understand both what you see it to mean and then it may be clearer as to the exact nature of your problem with it."

    My questions are: Are you saying that there is "Never any Justification for taking a Life"?
    Are you saying that you don't think "there are some Individuals who are so evil and vile, with No redeeming qualities" who deserve to Die?
    Are you against Capital Punishment?
    Would you Refuse to "Bear Arms in Defense of Family or Country, to the Point of Taking a Life?"

    Would you allow predators to kill off your livestock, without defending your lively-hood?

    Just a few questions to see how far you'd carry the "Sacredness of all Life, I'd like to hear your answers for.
    Thanks.

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    Christianity is a parasitic religion. It tends to adapt it self to the host

    organism and take on the characteristics of the host.

    When it infected the Germanic people it morphed from a slave mentality

    to a manly, fearless, courageous creed a la Joan de Arc, Count Sobieski,

    the Boers, etc. Joan de Arc is an especially good example of the exception

    that proves the rule. A Germanic female whipped all the sniveling cowards

    around her into an effective fighting force.

    Now that christianity has infected all the non-Germanic/non-European

    races, it has morphed back to a slave mentality or worse. When I travel

    through non-white countries where christianity has taken root among

    the natives, ie, the pastors, preachers, bishops, priests, etc, are all natives,

    the fundamental differences are shocking.

    In equatorial Africa, catholic cardinals are married, fornication isn't a sin

    and the "protestants" go to bible study classes and then go home and screw

    like minks.

    In Venezuela, the churches have icons of local "famous" voodoo practitioners.

    They have a whole batch of "saints" I have never heard of.

    Anyway, the point of this is that it is the underlying human potential of the

    particular people that happen to be infected by christianity that give it

    any positive or negative characteristics that we see in "christians",

    not the other way around.

    In other words, christianity doesn't make Europeans good, Europeans

    make christianity good.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    What is the problem you have with this? And what exactly do you think the word sacred means here in relation to life? Just trying to fully understand both what you see it to mean and then it may be clearer as to the exact nature of your problem with it.





    What is Spiritual healing to you? As in what does it mean to be spiritually healed to you?

    I think it is important to know what words and concepts mean to each individual. The danger of Jargon (in this case religious Jargon) is that people can be saying the same thing but be talking about something completely different to each other, and therefore confusion and frustration is the only outcome.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
    I think Grimsteinr said most of what I could say. Modern day Christians believe that someone could be the biggest bag of turds known to man, yet all that would change when they accept Jesus into their hearts. That is complete and utter nonsense of course, but still it is what a lot of Christians believe.
    Believing all life is sacred and valuable thwarts natures law of culling the weak and defective from our herd. Now those weaklings and defectives grow up to reproduce more of the same. Not only am I pro death penalty, I think it should be expanded to include sex crimes and crimes of major fraud. Who are the ones protesting outside of prisons when they are trying to execute the most vile of sub humans? Christians.
    I also think abortion is proper in some cases. I don't think it should be used as birth control as it is so much, but I believe in eugenics and think we should use it to eliminate defectives. Who opposes this? Christians.
    So that is where I was coming from. Hope it cleared things up for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimsteinr View Post
    Adstar said:"What is the problem you have with this? And what exactly do you think the word sacred means here in relation to life? Just trying to fully understand both what you see it to mean and then it may be clearer as to the exact nature of your problem with it."

    My questions are: Are you saying that there is "Never any Justification for taking a Life"?
    God said the justifiable punishment for sin is death. Therefore i believe that it is justifiable for all sinners to be put to death. As a sinner myself i also deserve to be put to death.

    Now….

    As i am one who believes Jesus. I believe Jesus called upon me not to judge, therefore i cannot put myself or anyone else to death. I give over that judgement to God who is a perfect Judge who never makes a mistake on such matters.

    So the death penalty is justified, but i am not justified in carry out the death penalty. God is.



    Are you saying that you don't think "there are some Individuals who are so evil and vile, with No redeeming qualities" who deserve to Die?
    two questions here:

    1)The only people who are non-redeemable are those who reject the Redemption of the Redeemer, Jesus.

    2)And again all sinners deserve to die.



    Are you against Capital Punishment?
    Well the authorities of this world can carry out capital punishment or they can decide not to carry out capital punishment. As a follower of Jesus i leave that decision in their hands. But as for me i will have nothing to do with it. I will not take part in the arrest., trial or execution of any person.



    Would you Refuse to "Bear Arms in Defense of Family or Country, to the Point of Taking a Life?"
    Yes. Not out of cowardice, as some wish to project onto people who believe as i do. But out of the will to follow the wish of my Messiah Jesus.



    Would you allow predators to kill off your livestock, without defending your lively-hood?
    I would take no violent actions to stop such a predator.



    Just a few questions to see how far you'd carry the "Sacredness of all Life, I'd like to hear your answers for.
    Thanks.
    The thing i hold Sacred is the "Word of God" my Messiah Jesus. I do not hold my physical life or the lives of other faulty men sacred. But i hold The Message of the Messiah Jesus sacred.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days

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