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    Empathy for One's Own Race Neurally Distinct from Empathy from Mankind

    Empathy for one's own race neurally distinct from empathy from mankind

    From the related public release:

    In a rare neuroscience look at racial minorities, the study shows that African-Americans showed greater empathy for African-Americans facing adversity – in this case for victims of Hurricane Katrina – than Caucasians demonstrated for Caucasian-Americans in pain.

    "We found that everybody reported empathy toward the Hurricane Katrina victims," said Joan Y. Chiao, assistant professor of psychology and author of the study. "But African-Americans additionally showed greater empathic response to other African-Americans in emotional pain."

    The more African-Americans identified as African-American the more likely they were to show greater empathic preference for African-Americans, the study showed.

    Neural basis of extraordinary empathy and altruistic motivation

    Vani A. Mathur et al.

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    A central evolutionary challenge for social groups is uniting a heterogeneous set of individuals towards common goals. One means by which social groups form and endure is by endowing group members with extraordinary prosocial proclivities, such as ingroup love, towards other group members. Here we examined the neural basis of extraordinary empathy and altruistic motivation in African-American and Caucasian-American individuals using functional magnetic resonance imaging. Our results indicate that empathy for ingroup members is neurally distinct from empathy for humankind, more generally. People showed greater response within anterior cingulate cortex and bilateral insula when observing the suffering of others, but African-American individuals additionally recruit medial prefrontal cortex when observing the suffering of members of their own social group. Moreover, neural activity within medial prefrontal cortex in response to pain expressed by ingroup relative to outgroup members predicted greater empathy and altruistic motivation for one's ingroup, suggesting that neurocognitive processes associated with self identity underlie extraordinary empathy and altruistic motivation for members of one's own social group. Taken together, our findings reveal distinct neural mechanisms of empathy and altruistic motivation in an intergroup context and may serve as a foundation for future research investigating the neural bases of intergroup prosociality, more broadly construed.
    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/04...-neurally.html

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...9e21d6dd79c476

    Usually for Altruism and Empathy to be really effective in larger number of people this feelings have to be somewhat more clear and directed, limited or hierarchical.

    Thats just natural, because after all, it was in our evolutionary past primarily about kin selection and strengthening the own group, defined by ancestry and cultural inventar (genes and memes).

    This is very important, not just for how evolution worked in the past (group competition and selection, higher individual and group selection), especially in the biodynamic centres, but even more so if looking at so called "multicultural societies" in which there is no such strong connectional element among the people.

    Dienekes refers to this as the "friction", I described this also by the end result, an individualised and fractionised society. Simply put: A society in which egoism and pseudoindividualism rule, individuals are therefore easier to rule by their lower instincts and personal dependence, this is what Capitalism is heading to and the Plutocratic Oligarchy wants.

    Another very important article about how we perceive other people's action if they are from the own/known group or not:

    April 27, 2010
    Human brain recognizes race

    From the public release:

    Typically, when people observe others perform a simple task, their motor cortex region fires similarly to when they are performing the task themselves. However, the UofT research team, led by PhD student Jennifer Gutsell and Assistant Professor Dr. Michael Inzlicht, found that participants' motor cortex was significantly less likely to fire when they watched the visible minority men perform the simple task. In some cases when participants watched the non-white men performing the task, their brains actually registered as little activity as when they watched a blank screen.

    From the paper:

    A deficit in the spontaneous ‘‘catching” of outgroup members’ actions and intentions can have serious consequences for intergroup interactions. Perception–action-coupling, and the sharing of somatic, autonomic, and emotional states, facilitate social understanding and foster helping, morality, altruism, and justice
    (Batson et al., 1997; Cialdini, Brown, Lewis, Luce, & Neuberg, 1997). Thus, people might not be as responsive to outgroup member’s needs and feelings and be less likely to understand their intentions; they might also be less likely to help and effectively communicate with them.

    This sounds like a good example of what I called friction in a recent post.


    Also from the paper:

    When we breakdown the omnibus outgroup correlation into the specific racial outgroups, we find results that are consistent with a Canadian context: the correlation was strongest for South-Asians, r (28) = .56, p less than .01, and followed by Blacks, r (28) = .36, p = .05; the correlation for East Asians, however, fell below traditional levels of significance, r (28) = .30, p = .11. Since mu activity is inversely related to motor cortex activity, these findings suggest that the more participants are prejudiced, the less their motor cortex fires in response to the passive viewing of outgroup members’ actions—an effect that is magnified for disliked outgroups (South-Asians, then Blacks, followed by East Asians).
    The order of the outgroups suggests that genetic-phenotypic similarity is not the end-all, as South Asians are closer to whites but perhaps less familiar to them, due to a shorter period of their presence in Western societies.

    Journal of Experimental Social Psychology doi:10.1016/j.jesp.2010.03.011

    Empathy constrained: Prejudice predicts reduced mental simulation of actions during observation of outgroups

    Jennifer N. Gutsell, and Michael Inzlicht

    Abstract

    Perception–action-coupling refers to the vicarious activation of the neural system for action during perception of action, and is considered important for forms of interpersonal sensitivity, including empathy. We hypothesize that perception–action-coupling is limited to the ingroup: neural motor networks will fire upon the perception of action, but only when the object–person belongs to the ingroup; if the object–person belongs to an outgroup these motor neurons will not fire. Using electroencephalographic oscillations as an index of perception–action-coupling, we found exactly this: participants displayed activity over motor cortex when acting and when observing ingroups act, but not when observing outgroups – an effect magnified by prejudice and for disliked groups (South-Asians, then Blacks, followed by East Asians). These findings provide evidence from brain activity for yet another detrimental aspect of prejudice: a spontaneous and implicit simulation of others’ action states may be limited to close others and, without active effort, may not be available for outgroups.
    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/04...izes-race.html

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...36188f936ca5bb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    In a rare neuroscience look at racial minorities, the study shows that African-Americans showed greater empathy for African-Americans facing adversity – in this case for victims of Hurricane Katrina – than Caucasians demonstrated for Caucasian-Americans in pain.

    "We found that everybody reported empathy toward the Hurricane Katrina victims," said Joan Y. Chiao, assistant professor of psychology and author of the study. "But African-Americans additionally showed greater empathic response to other African-Americans in emotional pain."
    That could very well be the 'distancing effect' of white people to their own genetic identity. Ie; less tribal and family orriented due to the 'self-indulging self-important' cultural swing (jew media generated). Making whites less 'emotionally invested' in the welfare of their own kind and pushing it to the individual.

    I expect people who are race proud may act just like the Africans (perhaps more so) when people of our tribe are harmed. I know I do.

    I think race pride goes hand in hand with altruism for our own kind. But the jew media want to make sure we are not race proud.

    The human brain (of non sociopaths) will still 'want' to give, but the decrease in activity may quite strongly signify the breakdown of family-style bonds to our own race.

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    I would take that 1st study with a grain of salt. After 40 years of working

    with, living among, and treating non-european ethnic groups and races,

    I can tell you one trait that absolutely sets non-europeans apart from us.

    And that is their shocking lack of empathy for their own kind. In my travels

    I have continued to be amazed at the callous disregard they seem to have

    for anyone outside of their immediate family group. And even within

    family groups they can exhibit extreme cruelty.

    Another trait that initially was very shocking and disturbing, until I became

    somewhat inured to it, was the humorous entertainment that they seem to

    get from the misfortunes of their own people. I have seen a crowd of

    onlookers laughing uproariously at the plight of accident victims or at people

    being beaten or tortured.

    And strangely enough, these are usually the same people that have

    welcomed me into their homes or communities and are very solicitous

    of my comfort and safety. It's not that they are incapable of concern for

    other people, but that they need to have a very close or specific connection.

    Generally, when I would enquire about this apparent lack of empathy, I

    would get a blank stare or they would be incredulous that I would even care

    about someone that I didn't know personally.

    A case in point, many years ago I was living with the locals on a small island

    in the Caribbean. One of my friends casually mentioned that an "american" was

    in some kind of trouble in the next village. When I immediately announced

    that I had to go and try to help this person, my friends were stunned and were

    quite forceful in their attempt to disabuse me of the crazy idea that I owed

    any allegiance to a complete stranger, american or otherwise.

    As has been mentioned numerous times, both on Skadi and elsewhere,

    our peoples' overdeveloped sense of empathy has become our greatest

    weakness.

    But it is also what clearly sets us apart from the other.


    A side note, my favorite picture from Katrina that most captures the

    fundamental difference between us and them, is the picture of the 4 white

    rescue workers in chest deep water in the middle of the storm pushing a flat

    bottom skif with a black family in it.
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