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    Polish Leader Dies in Plane Crash



    President Lech Kaczynski and scores of other senior Polish figures have been killed in a plane crash in Russia. Polish and Russian officials said no-one survived after the plane apparently hit trees as it approached Smolensk airport in thick fog.

    Russian media reports said the pilots ignored advice from air traffic control to divert to another airport. Poland's army chief, central bank governor, MPs and leading historians were among more than 80 passengers.

    Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the crash was the most tragic event of the country's post-World War II history. The Polish delegation was flying in from Warsaw to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre of thousands of Poles by Soviet forces during WWII.

    The BBC's Adam Easton, in Warsaw, says the crash is a catastrophe for the Polish people. He says Prime Minister Tusk was reportedly in tears when he was told.

    After an emergency meeting of ministers, Mr Tusk, who runs the day-to-day business of government, said a week of national mourning had been declared with two minutes of silence on Sunday at midday. Mr Tusk added: "The Polish state must function and will function".

    A government spokesman said that according to the constitution there would be an early presidential election, and the speaker of the lower house of parliament, Bronislaw Komorowski, would be acting president. In Warsaw, people gathered outside the presidential palace to lay flowers and light candles. "I'm all broken up... it cannot be expressed in words," Ewa Robaczewska told Reuters news agency.


    Pilot error?


    The Russian emergencies ministry told Itar-Tass news agency the plane crashed at 1056 Moscow time (0656 GMT) as it was coming in to land. Smolensk regional governor Sergei Antufiev told Russian TV that no-one had survived. Thousands of people have gathered outside the presidential palace to pay their respects.

    There has been a spontaneous outpouring of grief, no matter what people thought of Lech Kaczynski. He was a divisive figure in Polish society, especially among younger Poles. People are just stunned, visibly moved and in tears, whether they agreed with the president's political views or not.

    The largest church bell in Poland, at Krakow Cathedral, has been rung. It never tolls generally, only for very, very solemn occasions. The last time it did so was for the death of the Polish pope, John Paul II, five years ago.

    "According to preliminary reports, it got caught up in the tops of trees, fell to the ground and broke up into pieces," he said. "There are no survivors in that crash." Polish TV worker Slawomir Wisniewski said he had seen the crash from his hotel near the airport.

    "I saw through the fog, the aeroplane flying very low with the left wing pointing to the ground," he said. "I heard something being broken and then that thudding sound. Two flashes of fire next to each other." Russian media carried claims that the plane's crew were at fault for the crash.

    "Flight controllers... suggested that the plane be forwarded to Minsk but as far as we know the crew took an independent decision to land the plane in Smolensk," Smolensk regional government spokesman Andrei Yevseyenkov told Russian TV.

    Russian officials said 97 people were killed in the crash, including eight crew. Polish officials said that 89 people had been scheduled to fly in the delegation to the Katyn commemoration, but one person missed the flight. Mr Putin visited the crash site, after saying he would personally oversee the investigation into the crash. "Everything must be done to establish the reasons for this tragedy in the shortest possible time," he said. He was to meet his Polish counterpart, Mr Tusk, in Smolensk.

    Russian officials said all the bodies had been recovered from the scene and were being taken to Moscow for identification. Russia's Emergency Minister Sergei Shoigu said both of the plane's flight information recorders had been found and were being examined.


    Controversial figure

    The president was flying in a Tupolev 154, a Soviet-designed plane that was more than 20 years old.


    SENIOR FIGURES KILLED

    # National leader: President Lech Kaczynski and wife Maria
    # Other politicians: Wladyslaw Stasiak chief of the president's chancellery; Aleksander Szczyglo chief of the National Security Office; Slawomir Skrzypek National Bank of Poland chairman; Jerzy Szmajdzinski deputy speaker of the lower house; Andrzej Kremer Foreign Ministry's undersecretary of state; Stanislaw Komorowski deputy minister of national defence; Przemyslaw Gosiewski Law and Justice party deputy chair;
    # Military chief: Franciszek Gagor chief of the General Staff
    # Cultural figures: Andrzej Przewoznik head of Poland's Council for the Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites; Tomasz Merta chief historical conservator


    Our correspondent says there had been calls for Polish leaders to upgrade their planes. Mr Kaczynski himself had suffered scares while using the plane in late 2008, when problems with the aircraft's steering mechanism delayed his departure from Mongolia.

    "Any flight brings with it a certain risk, but a very serious risk attaches to the responsibilities of a president, because it is necessary to fly constantly," he was quoted as saying at the time. But the head of Russia's Aviakor aviation maintenance company told Russian TV the plane was airworthy, after his plant fully overhauled it in December.

    As well as the president and his wife, Maria, a number of senior officials were on the passenger list. They included the army chief of staff Gen Franciszek Gagor, central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek and deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer.

    World leaders including Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, US President Barack Obama, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown offered their condolences to Poland.

    Mr Kaczynski's twin brother, Jaroslaw, a former prime minister and now head of the main opposition party, was said to be "devastated", an aide told AFP news agency. Lech Kaczynski, who had fewer powers than the prime minister but had a significant say in foreign policy, was a controversial figure in Polish politics.

    He had advocated a right-wing Catholic agenda, opposed rapid free-market reforms and favoured retaining social welfare programmes.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/8612825.stm

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    What better time to take our stolen land back

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    What is strange about this is that a large portion of their top Military and
    Political personnel was on board this flight.Talk about killing two birds with one stone.
    Maybe this was the reason for the plane crash-
    On April 8th, the vocal Anti-Russian President of Poland announces plans to build a new gas pipeline connecting Lithuania and Poland, dies in a fiery plane crash the next day.

    A. Pizza
    B. Lightbulb
    C. KGB

    (hint: the answer is always C)


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    Poland is becoming increasingly unfashionable around these parts as hundreds of thousands of them barge in uninvited and take jobs like an occupying EUSSR force.

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    Lightbulb

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokies Domain View Post

    A. Pizza
    B. Lightbulb
    C. KGB

    Most probable reason:

    D. Johnny Walker was in the pilot's seat again Or maybe was it Jack Daniel in the flight control tower. Between Russians and Poles, go figure...

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5651516.ece

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2004/jul/22/travelnews1

    http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/air-crash-investigations-the-crash-of-aeroflot-flight-821/5500618?productTrackingContext=center_se arch_results

    Etc.

    Conspiracy theories and "maledictions" are just a polite way to avoid talking about how backwards those people are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    Most probable reason:

    D. Johnny Walker was in the pilot's seat again Or maybe was it Jack Daniel in the flight control tower. Between Russians and Poles, go figure...
    LOL!Maybe somebody else was flying that plane,somebody with the last name
    of Smirnoff.


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    Well, arguably now would be the ideal time to invade and over-run Poland. They're without a national leader, without vice-state-secretaries to do all the dirty work, and most importantly without the lion's share of their army generals. That way, they certainly wouldn't last 18 days...
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oski
    Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the crash was the most tragic event of the country's post-World War II history. The Polish delegation was flying in from Warsaw to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre of thousands of Poles by Soviet forces during WWII.
    This is formulated pretty harmless, this "anniversary" was for a long time non-existent and it was forbidden to talk about. 22.000 Polish officers massakered by Soviets. There sure are people who would rather keep the cloth of silence above that.

    Several conspiracy theories have emerged already, among that is that on the plane were also historians, experts on the massaker, who now are dead. Poland still demands up to 70 documents about this event, as not all details are known yet.
    Source (danish)


    Will be interesting to see what happens now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Several conspiracy theories have emerged already, among that is that on the plane were also historians, experts on the massaker, who now are dead.
    That is not a conspiracy theory, that is fact you can read up even on Wikipedia. Amongst the dead was Janusz Kurtyka, Rector of a Warszaw University, president of the Institute of National Rememberance, and one of the country's leading historians.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Deliberate

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    this "anniversary" was for a long time non-existent and it was forbidden to talk about. 22.000 Polish officers massakered by Soviets. There sure are people who would rather keep the cloth of silence above that.
    I would not doubt this one bit.It took the Russians 50 years to fess up to this
    crime.What gets me is the Russians and most of the world still does not consider this a war crime.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

    Photo taken by Germans of Katyn Massacre-

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