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  • Yes Christianity did have a Positive Effect on Europe

    29 42.03%
  • Europe would have been better without Christianity's Influence

    13 18.84%
  • Christianity Ruined Europe

    21 30.43%
  • Christianity Strengthend Europe and Without it Europe would still be in the Dark Ages

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    Post Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    I think Catholicism is quite authoritarian and a quite in favor of social programs for the lower classes in general. It is also quite collectively oriented. If one thinks about the basic ideas of Jesus, "Love your neighbor as yourself" - in other words, compassion - these encourage a quite collective way of life.

    I'm not convinced that the selfishness of liberal-individualism can be blamed on a religion or even sect (e.g. Calvinism). I suspect there might even be a neurological basis for this type of behavior/ideology, which idolizes a "self" that is separate from society and materially (work) oriented.

    And some of the strongest opponents right now of materialism and multiculturalism in the West are Christians. Remember that the older term for "The West" is "Christiandom."

    Northern Europe before Christianity was full of primitive, illiterate people. Christianity brought a new wave of civilization to Europe. If this had not happened, N Europeans might have served as slaves for Middle Eastern empires, or been wiped out through expansion.
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    Post Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    I forgot to say I voted for the first option of the pole, since I think that taking into account all what I said, over all, imo, the Christianism had and has a good influence over the European civilisation.

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    Post Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    Northern Europe before Christianity was full of primitive, illiterate people. Christianity brought a new wave of civilization to Europe. If this had not happened, N Europeans might have served as slaves for Middle Eastern empires, or been wiped out through expansion.
    Wiped out through Christian expansion. They produced effeminate masculinity in the North that wasn't common beforehand because the women relied upon the men for a lot of things to be done. Once the Church came in, they diminished the role of men.

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    Post Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Furthermore from the Christian background many ideas and developments are possible, not just the liberal one, but the liberal was on of the ideas which were not, or not that easy possible without Christianity.
    Liberalism has many origins in Classical civilization. Need we forget that liberalism and its poisions always popped up during periods of rejection of Christianity in favor of classical pagan ideas. Need we forget that it was a 4th century BC cynic who declared "Im a citizen of the world", the motto of modern-day Globalism. Much of the hedonism of liberalism can be found in some tenets of Greek philosophy.

    I dont find it suprising that the Enlightenment is also referred to as the "Neo-Classical" age.

    So spare me this nonsense that liberalism/socialism/communism/etc has origins in Christianity.
    Last edited by Taras Bulba; Saturday, June 19th, 2004 at 05:16 PM.

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    Post Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    Wiped out through Christian expansion. They produced effeminate masculinity in the North that wasn't common beforehand because the women relied upon the men for a lot of things to be done. Once the Church came in, they diminished the role of men.
    :eyes Care to back this up with sources? I read Leo Braudy's From Chivalry to Terrorism: War and the Changing Nature of Masculinity and states quite the opposite. It's been noted by many scholars for some time the strong Christian influence on chivalry.

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    Post Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour
    Well, Could you share with the rest of us why did christianity had a positive impact on Europe?
    When I have time I will provide greater details. Lately Ive been very busy with work and studies.

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    Post Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour
    Well, Could you share with the rest of us why did christianity had a positive impact on Europe?
    Christians monks destroyed many Hellenic and Roman Temples ,killed many innocent people who worship the ancient Gods,forbided the Hellenic and Roman philosophy ,literature etc.
    They killed many people with different oppinions from the Church(like the Greek philosopher Hypatia).During the medieval years many people inprisoned and lost their lives as heretics and sorcerers.
    In Scadinavia priests enforced people to baptise or else they lost properties and lives.
    That's the sad story of christianity in Europe a story of oppression and violence against Europeans.
    In our days Church condemned nationalism and racialism as herecy and promotes multiracialism!
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    Post Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    Ok, I must recall what I said before. Some comments here show a complete mix of the points of view of the Christianism as a religion ideology and the acts of the institutions pretending to worship Christianism.

    The ideology is very well established, by the sacrifice of one for the good of others. It is absolutely right, we cannot just beat each other like animals all the time.

    Second, if the Christian ideology would have never existed, Europe would have still been in war today, with tribes or now countries attacking each other, based on religious grounds. Anyway, that time is over today in Europe, hopefully. I think the modern day countries would have not existed, instead a huge number of small independentist regions would have existed. Uniting Europe would have been a complete platitude. It would have been like Irak or Pakistan or India.

    Now, the institution of the Church may have surely done many mistakes, but it also helped a lot of people, we have to see that, too. In case we want to seem impartial.

    Imo, the errors of the Church Institution and its people are compensated and heavily depassed by the good effects (some of them previously enumerated) of the Christian ideology and the good facts of the Church institution.

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    Post AW: Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    Northern Europe before Christianity was full of primitive, illiterate people. Christianity brought a new wave of civilization to Europe.
    I assume you have never heard of Germanic runes, let alone their Slavic counterparts...

    As for the people, what else than the usual hate propaganda written by Christians are you familiar with?
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: AW: Re: All In All Did Christianity Have A Positive Impact on Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Triglav
    I assume you have never heard of Germanic runes, let alone their Slavic counterparts...
    Well, it had no comparison, I think, but it might have worked good, too. What do you think about my arguments?


    Quote Originally Posted by Triglav
    As for the people, what else than the usual hate propaganda written by Christians are you familiar with?
    This is not too nice to ask him... I think. Because I would ask you: "What else than Nietzsche/Hitler propaganda are you familiar with?". But, consider it retracted and then I have never asked.
    Because, sincerly, I do not think the Christians (or the Christian Church or the Christian ideology) wrote so much hate propaganda...

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