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    Are There Any Buddhists on Skadi?

    Hi, hello, I'm Sarajevo, though not from Sarajevo, I'm Swedish.

    Anyways I came across this forum surfing on the net, since I am germanic and nationalist (kind of) this forum seems to fit me well.

    Anyway, I am a buddhist, yes, I am a germanic buddhist. I have the feelings most in here define themself in here as ateist, agnostic, christian, jewish or even pagan?

    I am atheist, agnostic, christian and buddhist. Atheist and agnostic to my beliefs, christian to my conservative values and nationalist heritage but spiritually a buddhist. (What a mess!)

    If there are any other buddhists in here, please feel free to discuss buddhism with me.

    If others have any questions about buddhism, please feel free to ask! I notice that there are alot of prejudices about this philosophy!

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    Most people at Skadi are Christian, Pagan, Atheist, or Agnostic. I haven't seen a single Buddhist or Jew here. My father is a (zen)Buddhist and he always goes on about how it's an illusion that people are different and everyone is "one". It seems like this worldview would lend itself to the present multi-cultural nonsense that we have now.

    Not to mention that Buddhism is a foreign religion to Germanics. I realize there are many different sects in Buddhism though, and in some sects there are very differed views.

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    There are some aspects of Buddhism that I like, such as respecting your own mind, nature etc. But Buddhism does not "own" these things, so you don't have to be a Buddhist to live by these same guidelines. And I don't agree with many of the other ideas of mainstream Buddhism.

    And since Buddhism is a religion mostly popular in east Asia, it will of course have alot of Asian culture attached to it. So as a Germanic preservationist, does it feel right to live your life so much with Asian culture and language? All the words in Buddhism are Asian, which makes sense for Asians, but why would Westerners have to use Asian words and culture?

    Why not make your own religion, that is similar to the Buddhist ideas you like, but instead base it on your own heritage and language? It's not against the law you know. I just ask you this since you are some sort of Germanic preservationist.

    I really do not see the problem of incorporating Buddhist ideas into Germanic Heathenism (if you wish so). To me it just makes more sense, because it will lead you nearer to your own roots and enviornment. Buddhists in Asia don't sit and follow European and Western language and culture when they practice their religions, do they? Maybe except a few Muslims and Christians. And Germanic Heathenism might actually be more closely related to Buddhism than to the Abrahamic religions. Maybe the Vikings liked meditation?

    So in short, my suggestion: Create your own "Germanic Buddhism", if you are a Germanic preservationist and like the Buddhist ideas.

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    Odin! Well, I think I just blew a fuse in my brain. There can be no exception when it comes to Buddhism. It is an alien religion to us Germanics. Meldmir pretty much summed up some points I felt like making in this post. Buddhism, being an Asiatic religion, is completely incompatible with anything that myself, as a Germanic preservationist, stands for. Sure, its got some great ideas, but these ideas never appealed to me as universal truths. In fact, nothing Gautama taught appealed to me. Buddhism is so completely dynamically at odds with my own ideas, that it is inconceivable and incompatible to make any considerations towards leaning to Buddhist thought. And yeah, I know Christianity is just as alien (being ABRAHAMIC) to us Nordics.

    In conclusion, Buddhism can be for every other race, but Germanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarajevo View Post
    I have the feelings most in here define themself in here as ateist, agnostic, christian, jewish or even pagan?
    Um... Where exactly on this forum are you seeing jews? I always thought that this forum was decidedly unjewish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarajevo View Post
    I have the feelings most in here define themself in here as ateist, agnostic, christian, jewish or even pagan?
    Or even pagan? Our ancestors were unanimously pagan before the arrival of the christian church to Europe. Why would you find those who practice an ancient Germanic religion to be an oddity on a forum dedicated to Germanic culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfric View Post
    My father is a (zen)Buddhist and he always goes on about how it's an illusion that people are different and everyone is "one".
    That is what National Socialists and many of us think actually and is exactly what it means to real ethnically asian Buddhists no doubt. It's a funny image, western liberal buddhists are 'asian' national socialists.

    Buddhism is a trendy, new agey, gift shop religion marketed to westerners by multiculturalists.

    There was a lad at work with an "aboriginal" design arm band tattoo. I said to him "So what tattoo do the Aborigines get?"

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    Okay. So what strikes me first of all, what most take note of is, that buddhism is not "germanic", that it's foreign to germanic culture and values, and what germanic stand for? What do you who state this "stand for" in the sense of preserving, while preserving the germanic?

    I'm not being negative, I'm just asking to give you a better answer than I could give you if I did have the answers to these questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfric
    My father is a (zen)Buddhist and he always goes on about how it's an illusion that people are different and everyone is "one". It seems like this worldview would lend itself to the present multi-cultural nonsense that we have now.
    Globalisation is one thing, I'm buddhist because of globalisation one could say, but I am kind of against multicultural societies as are you, especially the great swedish example put to it. Anyway I believe in freedom of speech, religion, sexuality and so on. Your father is right (in buddhist beliefs), but also wrong. Of course people are different, we all have different personalities and some persons can't live with some others. It is just like that! There is more to it than claiming that all are one.

    Maybe being buddhist and nationalist is an odd combination, but I choose this philosophy (more than a religion) because I share its view on most of it's basic principles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir
    So as a Germanic preservationist, does it feel right to live your life so much with Asian culture and language? All the words in Buddhism are Asian, which makes sense for Asians, but why would Westerners have to use Asian words and culture?
    If you mean words like "karma", "nirvana" and "dharma" or "sangha" there are swedish translations to these words, it's just words explaining a concept, nothing else. Hence, they make sense for me. If someone said "Buddha" to me and I didn't know what this was, I would probably ask. The first buddhists didn't know what these things were either, until Buddha explained it.

    Living with asian culture around me?
    Anyways, well the thing is, we don't have to. If you want to, it's fine. But you never have to. I am sure there are people, for example, praying in foreign languages in all religions, and I can't answer why they do so. I don't. I'm not surrounded by asian beliefs, deities, customs, people or language. As neopaganists aren't either surrounded by their beliefs, deities, customs etc. in a society that became christian some 1000 years ago.

    I don't know if Im getting you guys right, you all want all religions to stay in the regions where they originally come from? If so, would swedes still have been germanic paganists (obviously thery weren't paganists during the time it was popular, but is there are more appropriate word?) or later on have being christians? Compared to some branches of Christianity and Islam nowadays, buddhists don't want to force anyone to become buddhist with missionaries etc. People are not born into buddhism in the western modern world, they might be so in Asia, but if you study buddhism, you read that they shouldn't. And maybe western buddhism and asian buddhism difference in that matter.

    Why not make your own religion, that is similar to the Buddhist ideas you like, but instead base it on your own heritage and language? It's not against the law you know. I just ask you this since you are some sort of Germanic preservationist.
    Of course I can, but the question is if these would be able to mix well. I don't think they can. Eg. I don't believe in the concept of a God or Gods. Isn't that quite the principles of heathenism? I didn't study "heathenism" so I don't know. I like to read about all religions of course, so If you have some basic info it's appreciated.

    Maybe the Vikings liked meditation?
    I'm not sure, but I read somewhere that in Scania (my native region) the people belonged to another branch of asatru, than what they did more north. That this wasn't focusing that much on war and battle, but more of farming, peace and fertility. I don't know if I am right or if I am just mixing things up. But does anyone have any idea of what I am talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ädiruc
    In conclusion, Buddhism can be for every other race, but Germanics.
    But christianity can? What makes them differ in that aspect? And why are germanics the only exception, and not eg. slavs?


    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress Germania
    Buddhism is a trendy, new agey, gift shop religion marketed to westerners by multiculturalists.
    Trendy? New agey? It is probably "trendy" because of the globalisation, travelling people to Thailand and Tibet etc. But it's said that there are sects with little relevance to buddhism claiming to be buddhist while not, and yes some are marketing this religion even if they shouldn't do so, like with many sect. One can only be buddhist out of free will and out of interest. Buddhism is and will never be for all. Multiculturalists?

    Can you explain how people market buddhism together with multiculturalism? Multiculturalism is more about politics than philosophy, I thougt (as in opposite of knowing).

    Ps. I realise that there are many "pagans" here and nill or one jew, I might just have been tired (sleeping disorder).

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    Alright, I just assumed most Buddhists in the Western world were usually also fans of Asian culture and like travelling to Asia etc. While there is nothing wrong with that, it just seemed difficult to live your life influenced by Asian culture and still try to appriciate and preserve your own. But maybe you have no interest in Asia and Asian culture, or at least not so it is a major part of your life? I've seen so many Japanophiles etc, who have lots of Asian culture in their daily life, with food, cartoons, clothes etc.

    Can you explain more specifically what it is you like with Buddhism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    Alright, I just assumed most Buddhists in the Western world were usually also fans of Asian culture and like travelling to Asia etc. While there is nothing wrong with that, it just seemed difficult to live your life influenced by Asian culture and still try to appriciate and preserve your own. But maybe you have no interest in Asia and Asian culture, or at least not so it is a major part of your life? I've seen so many Japanophiles etc, who have lots of Asian culture in their daily life, with food, cartoons, clothes etc.
    I don't have a major interest in Asia, more than that of buddhism. Of course I dream of travelling to places like Nepal and Japan, one of my major interests is travelling. But not cause they are buddhists I would go there, mostly for the landscapes and the meeting with different cultures, I love food and photographing, so Japan might be a interesting country, for example.

    No, I am a gallophile

    Can you explain more specifically what it is you like with Buddhism?
    I like alot of things with buddhism, eg:

    The loss of a concept of God or deities and dogmatisation
    It's individually adapted: flexible, tolerant and accepting
    It mix philosophy (religion) with science and accepts science
    Non-violence as a core value
    It is answers the question that my mind has (fullfilling my needs)
    The health benefits

    I think I had the buddhist philosophy within me, before I ever got to read about buddhism. And one might say that It just fits my values and beliefs, most of the times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarajevo View Post
    I don't have a major interest in Asia, more than that of buddhism. Of course I dream of travelling to places like Nepal and Japan, one of my major interests is travelling. But not cause they are buddhists I would go there, mostly for the landscapes and the meeting with different cultures, I love food and photographing, so Japan might be a interesting country, for example.

    No, I am a gallophile


    I like alot of things with buddhism, eg:

    The loss of a concept of God or deities and dogmatisation
    It's individually adapted: flexible, tolerant and accepting
    It mix philosophy (religion) with science and accepts science
    Non-violence as a core value
    It is answers the question that my mind has (fullfilling my needs)
    The health benefits

    I think I had the buddhist philosophy within me, before I ever got to read about buddhism. And one might say that It just fits my values and beliefs, most of the times.
    Well, it's not strange since we are in Sweden all taught from an early age to be tolerant and anti-violence, so you might have gotten that from school. You say you don't like the Muslims, doesn't that make you non-tolerant? And in today's violent societies, isn't violence useful sometimes? Just wondering what your views are on this.

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