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    For what its worth, "Buddhism" is simply an idea, technique, philosophy,

    or, whatever, a way of learning to see the world the way it is, rather

    than the way we want it to be. I'm sure the "Buddha" is rolling in laughter

    at the way his "followers" have deified him and turned his ideas into a

    religion complete with temples, priests, dogma, and magic rituals.

    Talk about a bad case of maya.

    A Thai doctor friend of mine invited me to the Thai Buddhist Temple

    in Oklahoma City, which was smack-dab in a local suburb. I will never

    forget the faces of the good old boys as they were looking over their back

    fences at the little saffron-robed, bandy-legged monks performing their

    rituals.


    Back to my original thesis, the reason that "buddhism" is important

    to us is that powerful core idea of seeing the world the way it is, of riding

    ourselves of our illusions, our delusions, our "wants", our "needs" and

    start dealing with stark reality.

    It was that most powerful idea that enabled me to eventually throw

    off the years of leftist, multi-culti, feel-good pablum that I had been fed

    along with all the other poisons of this degenerate age.

    And I didn't have to sit around chanting and contemplateing my navel

    to gain that enlightenment. I just had to connect that core idea to all the

    cognitive dissonance I was experiencing because of my unrealistic and

    ridiculous beliefs.

    To further illustrate my point that "buddhism" isn't a religion, leave

    it to the japanese samurai class to use the techniques of "buddhism" to

    become more efficient killers.
    Illegitimi non Carborundum ! Coitus non Circum !
    Ex Gladio Libertas ! Μολών λαβέ !
    Si vis pacem, Para bellum !
    'All Political Power Grows out of the Barrel of a Gun' Chairman Mao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer View Post
    I think I understand what you're saying, but if you don't mind me asking, are you of the same general persuasion as IvyLeaguer on these matters? If you are approaching Buddhism from this view, then, even though I would fundamentally disagree with your basic premises, I would understand your interest in Buddhism as a guide for understanding our ancient worldviews and just leave it at that.

    But if you haven't made your mind up yet and are still in a more-or-less exploratory mode, in which you are just trying to get the best understanding of Germanic heathenism that is possible by synthesizing all of the resources we have available to us at this time, then I would question the validity of including Buddhism as one of your resources. I can understand why you would naturally want to take into account the beliefs of other indigenous Indo-European creeds (like Celtic, Greek, etc.), but in my view, any connection with Buddhism is too far back to be of assistance. We have spent too many thousands of years evolving under different circumstances to have much in common with modern Buddhists, and I doubt modern Buddhists would have much in common with even the Germanic pagans of 2000 years ago.

    Of course I'm no expert in these matters, but this is the sense I get nonetheless. Actually, I'd really like to hear what Anlef thinks about this subject if he ever comes around again. He seems truly well-informed on these kinds of issues.
    I have to say that I don't know very much about Buddhism, besides some basic facts. I have been around in the Germanic heathen circle for a while (hence I also researched some other Indo-European religions) so I do recognize the idea of Nirvana and reincarnation as I said in my first post in this thread. That and the fact that Buddhism originated in a Indo-European heathen society is the main reason why I don't exclude Buddhism from a comparitive point of view. But that's all I know about Buddhism, so I don't know hoe useful Buddhism is, compared to for example the Celtic, Greek and Vedic religions. It is indeed true that Buddhism is far removed from us Germanics, but the Vedic mythology has proved to be of great interest as well. There are astonishing resemblances.
    I also think that is can be interesting to look at the mythic stories of our Christian past by the way, as you said in another post. The coming of Christianty wasn't a complete break up with Indo-European heritage. Myths about the holy grail for example are very interesting within a wider Germanic context.

    My personal religious interest goed to Germanic (and therefore Indo-European) heathenism and all philosophies that can help in understanding the (heathen) world. This includes Greco-Roman philosophers who have written a lot about heathen religion, but it can therefor be interesting as well to look at Buddhism, even when I do prefer that which is closer to home. Any useful ideas be integrated into a Germanic context or used to complete the Germanic tradition.
    To sum it up, my interests are partly resulting from a comparitive point of view, but also from a philosophical and religious search; the way of our Germanic ancestors from a certain period doesn't nessecarily have to be the right way.

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    Opinions on Buddhism

    I myself am torn on the Buddhist religion, but after researching it quite a bit I can definitely say that, as it belongs to the larger family of Indo-European religions, it is at the very least noteworthy, at least from a comparative point of view.

    But I want to know the feelings my fellow Skadi members have toward Buddhism and how relevant (or irrelevant) it is or could be to the Germanic people.
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    I think Bhuddism leads to passivity. That would be my main argument against it.

    It is more a retraction into the spirituell and leaves the responsibility for this world to others.

    I prefer a more active and involved religion like heathenism.

    But in the end it may not matter it is simply a personnell preference.

    It puts the individual and his/her experiences as the center and has no notion of nations.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Ah. It seems I made a redundant thread. Many apologies, and thanks to whoever merged my post.

    Anyway...

    Ocko, why do you think that Buddhism leads to passivity?
    To practice magic is to be a quack; to know magic is to be a sage. - Eliphas Lévi

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    Buddhism is a religion -- NOT!

    At the risk of repeating myself, Buddhism is, at best, a philosophy but really it is a technique of looking at the world the way it really is and not the way we wish it was.

    Ask the Japanese samurai.

    If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
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    Illegitimi non Carborundum ! Coitus non Circum !
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    'All Political Power Grows out of the Barrel of a Gun' Chairman Mao

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    I have studied Buddhism for at least twenty years. There are many branches of Buddhism which have evolved from the original Theravada: Mahayana, Tibetan, Zen, Chinese and so on.

    Common to them all is the concept of reincarnation and the need to avoid it. The basis of Adolf Hitler's religious belief was reincarnation. He stated this quite plainly in his table-talks. Since he was the prophet of the New Germanic Age, the doctrine ought to be seriously considered by Germanics.

    The Japanese Master Dr Suzuki advised that the best course for Westerners, and likely to be the most successful, is the Pure Land doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohrdruf View Post
    The basis of Adolf Hitler's religious belief was reincarnation. He stated this quite plainly in his table-talks.
    Can you perhaps quote the passage in which he says this?

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    The source for the quotations below is:
    Heinrich Heim
    Adolf Hitler: Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944
    Special Edition Orbis Verlag, Munich

    Hitler makes several references to his belief in reincarnation or rebirth, two of which are these:

    (1) In speaking of a suicide: "Auch wenn man sich das Leben nimmt, fällt man als Stoff wie als Geist und als Seele in die Natur zurück. Die Kröte weiss nicht was sie vorher war, und wir wissen es nicht von uns. Ich sage mir deshalb, das einzige ist, die Gesetze der Natur zu erforschen, damit man sich nicht gegen sie stellt."

    "Even when someone takes his own life, he returns to Nature as matter and also as mind and soul. The tortoise does not know what it was before, and neither do we know what we were. Therefore I say that the important thing is to investigate the the laws of Nature in order not to set oneself against them."

    Conversation of 1/2 December 1941, FHQ p.149.

    (2) A few days later he returned to this theme: "Den Jenseitsgedanken der christlichen Religion kann ich nicht ersetzen, weil er nicht haltbar ist. Geist und Seele gehen gewiss wieder zurück in das Gesamtreservoir - wie der Körper. Wir düngen damit als Grundstoff den Fundus aus dem neues Leben entsteht. Über das Warum und Weshalb brauche ich mir nicht den Kopf zu verbrechen. Ergrunden werden wir das Wesen der Seele nicht."

    "I cannot suggest improvements to the Christian ideas on heaven and hell because they are untenable. Mind and soul return without doubt to the general reservoir, as does the body. There they are added to the basic raw material from which new life arises. As to the whys and wherefores I need not wrack my brain, for we shall never be able to establish the nature of the soul."

    Conversation of 13 December 1941, Berlin p.151.

    This idea of a general reservoir for mind and soul is almost identical to Druid belief.

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    Is Buddhism Really Nontheistic?

    This essay establishes, among other things, that Tibetan Buddhism, Vedanta, and Neoplatonic Christianity are in essence the same religion, a belief I have held for awhile myself.

    Is Buddhism Really Nontheistic?
    by B. Alan Wallace

    Buddhism is commonly distinguished on doctrinal grounds from monotheistic and polytheistic religions by the fact that it refutes the existence of a divine Creator, and indeed there is ample textual evidence in early Buddhist, Mahayana, and Vajrayana treatises to support this claim. However, a careful analysis of Vajrayana Buddhist cosmogony, specifically as presented in the Atiyoga tradition of Indo-Tibetan Buddhism, which presents itself as the culmination of all Buddhist teachings, reveals a theory of a transcendent ground of being and a process of creation that bear remarkable similarities with views presented in Vedanta and Neoplatonic Western Christian theories of creation. In the following paper I shall present this Vajrayana Buddhist theory in terms of its images of space and light in the creation of the universe, and I shall conclude with a reappraisal of the non-theistic status of Buddhism as a whole.


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