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    Quote Originally Posted by cortodanzigese View Post
    I get your point, and I'm all for following our own way, but studying german history I notice only alien influences everywhere. Ancient Germania was under heavy roman influence. Then our volk was brainwashed by the church to serve pope which never truly worked. Then we have french influences and finally overwhelming influence of the jews after 1870. Some influences are positive and some are negative. But the fact is, german national character was already built upon foreign influences and you can't do nothing about it. Only rarely the primal instinct of our volk makes his voice through the ages. I count asatru/germanic paganism as one of such desperate voices, but it has to fail - reverend explained why, above. German pragmatism and ethnocentrism as another voice.

    Being familiar with east asian culture, I notice some similarities between chinese/japanese and german way of thinking. These people are above all very ethnocentric and react in same way, german nationalists are, for any alien influences (their advantage that they had countries without any alien influences for 2000 years). They are excellently organised, very detailed and hardworking. These people also respect us, more than any westerners here (who are generally despised). Prussians officials of the German Empire weren't treated like rest of "red-haired barbarians" and made a strong impression on chinese and japanese as "great men". Germany also was only white country that impressed these ancient nations with its national spirit.

    The thing that strike me most, is that ideals of national socialism were realised here practically centuries ago. State and society are one entity. There is clear ideal of one race-one leader-one state no matter if you look at North Korea or Japanese folk with their emperor.
    Of course there was foreign influence no one ever doubt that. But it was always rather minor and reapplied to serve our purpose.
    I don't see the major Roman influence to be honest, in actual ideology at least. Germanic kings were simply calling themselves successors of the Roman emperors for the sake of justification but the system they built their allegiance upon was solely Germanic in origin.
    Christianity itself greatly relied on pagan influence at it's very foundation.
    French (arguably of Germanic origin) influence was restricted to the behaviour of the upper classes and military aspects. Jewish influence again didn't change the principal character and spirit of the folk as did neither of the examples you've mentioned.
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    Say what you will but I fail to see how any of those foreign eastern religions can be described as anything being European.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    Say what you will but I fail to see how any of those foreign eastern religions can be described as anything being European.
    No, they're not European religions. Neither is Christianity. Look how well it has been adapted to European culture.
    It's not called Indo-European for no reason
    Again, this does not invalidate their teachings.

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    I think that all those people who oppose learning from older, more succesful civilizations, do so becouse they don't know the issue. Give them time to grasp the full picture and they will appreciate the idea.

    The misery of Germans was, that throughout history we were exposed to middle-eastern religious tradition, which not only is completely alien to us, but is completely flawed. East Asian philosophy, politics and mentality is as foreign, but has substantial things to offer which can grant us survival.

    These things (like political philosophy) can easily be adopted to germanic conditions and they will fit better than present social model.

    Germanic paganism can be fully compatible with confucianism, which in all circumstances, stresses need for building folk religions. Asatru or whatever would flourish under confucian social model.

    Confucianism stresses need for academic performance and learning, and clear effect is, that asian minorities are so succesful in competing with jews in overtaking once american colleges and universities, while white americans were reduced to working class and don't even have elite of their own. Christianity doesn't stress need for individual learning and studying, becouse the dumber you are, the better for priests.

    All social structures produced by latin civilization created a weak and dumbed-down societies. Now it is time to reform these societies in more pragmatic way.

    As I said, Germans already are close to east asian mentality of fulfilling duty, being well-organized and devoted to their folk. These nations had simply more time to improve performance of those things, so I don't see why we should cling to something that clearly doesn't work (ie. latin civilization, christianity), and borrow one or two elements from most succesful civilization in history.

    We are not fighting for survival of european cultural elements present in Germany. We are fighting for biological survival of the german volk which has 2000 years of history and adopted many things.

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    I did read somewhere that some prominent Nazi's wanted to create a 'Nazi-Shinto' neo-religion based on Fuhrer and Nature worship.

    This was on the Internet so it's authenticity may not be 100%.

    I've got 'Himmler's Crusade' on my bookshelf, all about these guys that go off to Tibet, to be perfectly honest I've not read that much of it, has anyone else and if so is it any good?

    I actually went to a Buddhist Centre near me a few years back, set in a lovely rural setting it's pretty nice.

    The volunteers there seemed pretty decent honest kind of people and I guess I had more in common with them than I had against, however, the Priests annoyed me. It's not that they said or did anything to get me, far from it, but it's the fact that there's these guys going around working in the grounds and doing this and that and that's cool yet you have this sort of 'Elitism' of the Priests.

    Maybe I'm to Anarchistic to appreciate their role but I'd have had more respect for them if they did some work too, like the Amish Elders who are just guys that work yet are also religious leaders of their community.

    I just saw the Buddhist Priests as the same as Christian ones, sitting back and letting other people do all the work.

    Maybe I'm just ignorant or too bolshie but it didn't seem fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NatRev View Post
    I just saw the Buddhist Priests as the same as Christian ones, sitting back and letting other people do all the work.
    Unfortunately modern Buddhism, especially in the West, suffers from this.

    At one point in time, those priests were sitting back and letting everyone else do the work because they truly were spiritually awakened. This is the basis of pretty much any priest-based hierarchy...How can you expect living Gods to concern themselves with mundane matters?

    Anymore though, all they have to do is look the part. Go through the motions. They don't need to be living Gods anymore, they just need to look the part.

    It's pretty pathetic, and it's the exact sort of cowardly, spiritually impotent brahmin-worship that the Buddha was so passionately opposed to.
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    Some good info but the usual german bashing.

    Quote Originally Posted by NatRev View Post
    I did read somewhere that some prominent Nazi's wanted to create a 'Nazi-Shinto' neo-religion based on Fuhrer and Nature worship.

    This was on the Internet so it's authenticity may not be 100%.

    I've got 'Himmler's Crusade' on my bookshelf, all about these guys that go off to Tibet, to be perfectly honest I've not read that much of it, has anyone else and if so is it any good?

    I actually went to a Buddhist Centre near me a few years back, set in a lovely rural setting it's pretty nice.

    The volunteers there seemed pretty decent honest kind of people and I guess I had more in common with them than I had against, however, the Priests annoyed me. It's not that they said or did anything to get me, far from it, but it's the fact that there's these guys going around working in the grounds and doing this and that and that's cool yet you have this sort of 'Elitism' of the Priests.

    Maybe I'm to Anarchistic to appreciate their role but I'd have had more respect for them if they did some work too, like the Amish Elders who are just guys that work yet are also religious leaders of their community.

    I just saw the Buddhist Priests as the same as Christian ones, sitting back and letting other people do all the work.

    Maybe I'm just ignorant or too bolshie but it didn't seem fair.
    I read the book. The account of the expedition is very interesting.
    But the tibetans themselves are pretty disgusting people and the form of "buddhism" they practice isn't really "buddhism" as taught by Gautama.
    Tibetan "buddhism" is really just a mish-mash of primitive animism and
    very primitive "voodoo" like "magical" rituals. I can't really see why westerner's have such a fascination with it. And all this "groupie" adulation
    of the dali lama by western hippie/pacifist boobs is really quite laughable,
    as the tibetan "buddhists" have ruthlessly and bloodily suppressed the original indigenous tibetan religion, which is called "bongoism" or something like that.

    The worst thing about the book is how the author, who is the usual "chosen peoples' ass" kissing sycophant, sets up the elderly expedition leader. The "author" befriends the german explorer and then does a real hatchet job on him. But what would you expect in this degenerate journalistic age?
    Also the writing is very tiresome as the "author" is in a continual bed-wetting frenzy at the most minute "nazi" behavior of the German scientists.
    The most ludicrous is when the "author" breathlessly points out that in a picture of the expedition members ,they are wearing pith helmets with the
    SS insignia. Well, duh, the expedition was organized and funded by the SS and the explorers were members of the SS.
    Anyway, a great story completely ruined by some ass-kissing PC twit who equates typing with writing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor View Post
    Tibetan "buddhism" is really just a mish-mash of primitive animism and
    very primitive "voodoo" like "magical" rituals.
    Yungdrung Bön, the "pre-Buddhist" religion of Tibet, isn't primitive animism. It's Persian Buddhism that was integrated into the native transcendentalist shaman-based religion ("shaman" in the proper sense, rather than the colloquial usage, which denotes any kind of "primitive" priest)

    Bön, and by extension Vajrayana Buddhism, mostly involves summoning and banishing spirits. These spirits are understood by Bönpo yogis to be symbolic expressions of helpful and harmful concepts..."Demons" are ignorant thoughts, "Gods" are enlightened thoughts.

    Bön is also historically and conceptually related to Siberian shamanism, Tengriism, and Shinto.

    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor View Post
    I can't really see why westerner's have such a fascination with it. And all this "groupie" adulation
    of the dali lama by western hippie/pacifist boobs is really quite laughable,
    as the tibetan "buddhists" have ruthlessly and bloodily suppressed the original indigenous tibetan religion, which is called "bongoism" or something like that.
    Tibetan Buddhism is so popular in the West because there has been more action on the part of Tibetan Buddhists to introduce the religion to the West than, say, adherents of Mahayana Buddhism, which despite being the largest sect of Buddhism in the world is virtually unknown in the West save for a few derivative forms.

    However, I share your disgust of the idolization of the Dalai Lama.
    While, yes, he is a spiritual leader, he is recognized to be a spiritual leader for a specific group of Buddhists in a specific country. I've never understood why Buddhists who are not of Tibetan ancestry pay the Lamas any heed.
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    Bongos or Bon Bons? That is the question.

    Rev: I have learned the hard way not to get into arguments with folks
    on Skadi. No matter how much I think I know. So just take this as an
    opinion, what ever the roots of "tibetan buddhism", the current inhabitants
    of "tibet" are purdy devolved and their religion purdy degenerate.

    As I said elsewhere, in regards to christianity, but applies to all "religions",
    the religion tends to take on the complexion of the ethnic group professing it.
    Not the other way around. There are profound differences between European
    Christianity and venezuelan or nigerian christianity.
    My favorite example of this phenomenon is the Zen Buddhism adopted by
    the Nipponese Samurai, which enabled them to become even better killers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor View Post
    So just take this as an
    opinion, what ever the roots of "tibetan buddhism", the current inhabitants
    of "tibet" are purdy devolved and their religion purdy degenerate.
    I think that the people of Tibet have been just as damaged by Western liberals as the petty, totalitarian Chinese. However, I do not think this means that the wisdom that their culture has passed from generation to generation in the form of these mystical philosophies is any less valid to this very day, as long as one looks in the right place.

    Protip: Attention whoring pseudo-clergy who pose in saffron robes waving dorjes and phurpas and chanting mantras for world peace, high-profile Western converts, and your average brainwashed would-be hippy are not the right place to look.

    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor View Post
    As I said elsewhere, in regards to christianity, but applies to all "religions",
    the religion tends to take on the complexion of the ethnic group professing it.
    Not the other way around. There are profound differences between European
    Christianity and venezuelan or nigerian christianity.
    My favorite example of this phenomenon is the Zen Buddhism adopted by
    the Nipponese Samurai, which enabled them to become even better killers.
    I would say that a folk interprets a universal truth in their own way, but this does not change the nature of the truth in question.
    To practice magic is to be a quack; to know magic is to be a sage. - Eliphas Lévi

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