Brunn vs Keltic Irish

[Rodskarl Dubhgall]

So, the Keltic side brought their culture and everything, through the invasions, correct? Fir Bolgs, Milesians, Danaan, Partholonians, Nemedians etc.? Then I guess the Paddy/Brunn side is from the Fomorians? On the SNPA map, there also seems to be that Keltics invaded from Britain. Why are those "Keltics" called Celtic when it is clear that the Atlantid(Q Celtic?) areas are traditionally the ones with the Celtic culture? I see the Welsh and Basques sharing their own Paleo-Atlantid(P Celtic?) form too.

This makes little sense.

[Euclides]

Are the Redheads Irish/Scottish related to IE-Keltic , Brunn type or Viking invasors?

[Euclides]

So, the Keltic side brought their culture and everything, through the invasions, correct? Fir Bolgs, Milesians, Danaan, Partholonians, Nemedians etc.? Then I guess the Paddy/Brunn side is from the Fomorians? On the SNPA map, there also seems to be that Keltics invaded from Britain. Why are those "Keltics" called Celtic when it is clear that the Atlantid(Q Celtic?) areas are traditionally the ones with the Celtic culture? I see the Welsh and Basques sharing their own Paleo-Atlantid(P Celtic?) form too.

This makes little sense.

In the map you posted , we see Welsh , basques and east irish related to a a ''paleo-med '' type ( UP-med? ).This map also correlates the Västmanland type ( Borreby ) with Germans ( Faelid , borreby, Brunn) and Western Irish (brunn ). I am especulating if aren´t this two populations ( ''Paleo-meds'' and ''Paleo-Nords'') both UP derived , differing in pigmentation.

[Rodskarl Dubhgall]

Are the Redheads Irish/Scottish related to IE-Keltic , Brunn type or Viking invasors?

I am betting that the Bruenn Irish are the Fomorians related to Troender Norse and Anglo-Saxon Friesens.

[Euclides]

I am betting that the Bruenn Irish are the Fomorians related to Troender Norse and Anglo-Saxon Friesens.

could be

[Glenlivet]

Although Borreby may be defined in different ways depending on the author, they are not the same. Västmanland is just a local form of Nordid, long headed and low skulled.

the Vastarmaland type ( Borreby )

[Euclides]

Ann Hum Biol. 1983 Jul-Aug;10(4):321-33.


Genetic structure and population history of Ireland: a comparison of blood group and anthropometric analyses.

Relethford JH.

Population structure and history may be studied on a local or a regional level. This paper examines the regional population structure of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland with respect to population history and demographic processes. Blood-group and anthropometric data obtained from the literature are analysed. The blood-group data consist of ABO and Rhesus gene frequencies for 32 counties and the Aran Islands. Anthropometric data consist of summary statistics for 15 variables collected from 19 regions. The degree and pattern of population differentiation is assessed using new methods of population-structure analysis. Both blood group and anthropometric analyses show a west-east division of populations corresponding to the known history of inhabitation of Ireland, where successive waves of immigrants pushed earlier populations further west. In both analyses there were two deviations to this basic pattern: the Aran Islands and the midlands. In both cases, alternative historical explanations are examined. The genetic relationship of the Aran Islands to the rest of Ireland and England appears to be due to English admixture following the garrisoning of soldiers several centuries ago. The genetic position of the midlands is more complex, but suggests the effects of early Viking inhabitation. These findings are related to studies of the local, rather than regional, population structure of Ireland.

[Glenlivet]

Also more in a thread from 3 weeks ago:

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthre...hlight=ireland

Ann Hum Biol. 1983 Jul-Aug;10(4):321-33.

[Rodskarl Dubhgall]

What is the Uppsala/Uppland phenotype, Volksdeutscher? What about York/Yorkshire?

[Glenlivet]

Uppsala is an academic town with some true upper class Swedes of splendid Nordid phenotype. I would say that they are closest to Trönder. Northern Uppland is said to have minor East Baltid too. There are also many who are of Västmanland type.

Uppland is probably mostly Västmanland, with some Trönder, with a few individuals who show East Baltid physical characteristics.

In the summer of 1943 anthropological investigations were made in Tiundaland, central Uppland. I have a resumé of the material. The stature for men was 171.7 +- 0.26, for women 160.6 +-0.24. The heads were quite broad, men's 157.2 +- 0.25 and women's 151.25 +- 0.23, men's head index 79.8 +- 0.16 and women's 80.5 +- 0.15. The older generation were shorter headed. There was a social difference so those are not fully represenative. Fürst and Retzius got for the whole landscape, an average of 78.88. The result for 1897 became different than 1898 because Uppland's regiment (about in central Uppland) were not investigated in 1898. They got for 1897 79.16 +- 0.10, 1898 78.50 +- 0.13. Naturally 1897 alone is representative for the landscape. Lundborg gave the number 78.10 +- 0.07 (and for Uppsala county 78.18 +- 0.10) which is much lower, but he counted of principle everyone born in the county, why some descendants that moved in later times affected the average. The dispersion coefficient for Uppland is considerably higher than the national average. In the Alunda part a head index of even over 90 was found.

The bizygomatic breadth is significant, 144.1 +- 0.27 for men, 136 +- 0.25 in women, and in the older men 147.4. Also the length of the face is great. For the older alges it is partially because of the well-to-do populations better dental care. This also hold true for facial index, which is albeit, in average, as low as 88.8 +- 0.24 for men, and 85.4 +- 0.24 for women. The nasal form is more often concave than many other parts of the country. However, not more often than other regions with blond meso-brachycephalic; Mora- and Finnmark groups and among SW Finns. The eye colour is consistently light and then often dark blue. On the scale of Saller nr S3 is very common, M17 and M21 are rarer than in the average of Dalarna and somewhat more than Västmanland. The percentage of brown eyed individuals is as low as 1.5 +- 0.45. Nevertheless, the hair colur is medium dark for the standards of Svealand ("uppsvensk") standpoint. Like the other parts of eastern and Northeastern Sweden red hair is very unusual. According to B Lundman (Uppsala, 1945) the East Baltid is in Uppland not insignificant. It was by him compared with Western Estonia. The lower stature of western and central Uppland is more Västmanland type and in east to a large extent Trönder.

I do not have academic knowledge regarding Yorkshire, except that I know Lundman claimed that North Eastern England is inhabited by Göta type people. It would in that case be closer to Västragötaland and Southeastern Norway. The few Yorkshire men that I have seen are more Nordid than anything else.

What is the Uppsala/Uppland phenotype, Volksdeutscher? What about York/Yorkshire?