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    Rath is a bullshitter, and while I agree with the premise that the Pharmaceutical has any interest in keeping us ill, Rath's Vitamin therapy is just a similar trick to satisfy his greed.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse Shadow View Post
    Vitamin C not allowed over 200mg? B12 limits???? WHAT!
    The official daily recommended amount of Vitamin C is just the minimum amount to not suffer the effects of Vitamin C deficiency. And the studies showing that are carefully hidden from the public. The vast majority of people have no idea, and they tend to listen to what doctors and officials say, isn't it? Even many of the doctors with good intentions have no idea about many of these facts...
    And this is just one example...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse Shadow View Post
    And they block the crucial, non-harmful things to protect it?
    Exactly! This is what they are looking for! How many of you know, for example, about the research leaded by Crystal Institute? They wanted to ban at least some of their products in the country I am coming from, just because they don't contain 'the compulsory list of ingredients', like preservatives and such. Fortunately that didn't happen, but in the media it was leaded a campaign to make people think that the products can be very harmful. No wonder why. What I want to emphasize is that things aren't totally lost in the hands of those murderers, we can still do something about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse Shadow View Post
    I'd be dead as of 3 years ago if it wasn't for me being able to research on the internet and import medicines from the US and NZ. With thanks to the naturopaths and alternative medicines I've been able to stay alive. Doctors, even good ones are blissfully unaware of alternative 'working' remedies.
    I also had some unpleasant (but useful, in the long run) experiences with the 'conventional' medicine. I'm glad that you were able to discover the proper alternative remedies in time. At least you should be glad that now you have the proof that Nature (I mean nature-based medicine) really works, better than anything. I consider all the unpleasant experiences I had very useful, because they taught me something very important.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse Shadow View Post
    The sociopathic drug companies tell doctors, toothpaste manufacturers, soap makers, advertisers, etc to use anti-biotics/antibacterials indiscriminately
    Antibiotics? The universal remedy for everything! Anti-biotics = anti-life.
    What about the flour in the toothpaste? That's poisonous, and very few people are aware of it! Oh, no, the mainstream media promotes the idea that flour in toothpaste is very healthy... what a lie! They even wanted to put flour in the tap water (I don't know if that was implemented), saying that it's healthy for the teeth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse Shadow View Post
    What am I saying, they want to kill ALL of us off.
    Sad but true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Rath is a bullshitter, and while I agree with the premise that the Pharmaceutical has any interest in keeping us ill, Rath's Vitamin therapy is just a similar trick to satisfy his greed.
    Even if I don't know what you mean by "Rath's Vitamin therapy", I agree with the fact that, due to the increasing costs and prices of naturist and alternative medicine, there are many people who see it as a good affair, wanting only to get money from it. That's almost the same shit as the 'conventional' medicine, in my opinion. And it is intended to discredit the real Nature-based medicine, the remedies our ancestors used, successfully, for ages, centuries, and so on!

    For example, I know that I'm not going to buy Vitamins or other "alimentary supplements" from Pharmacies, or the ones that are labelled by companies that also produce 'conventional' medicines. Even if they could be better than 'conventional' medicines, they contain lots of additives which shouldn't be there, and which are very harmful. Ok, usually people don't see the effects immediately, or aren't aware of them, but on the long run they will get ill, or very ill, or they will have 'strange' symptoms, without knowing, or being aware, where that comes from. This is what actually happens to our people!
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    Combatting the Codex Alimentarius


    The Codeath, sorry, Codex Alimentarius Commission is a very
    misunderstood organisation. Most people have never heard of it, and
    those who have heard of it may not understand the true reality of this
    extremely powerful trade organisation. According to the official
    Codex website (, the altruistic purpose of this commission is in "protecting health of the consumers and ensuring fair trade practices in the food trade, and promoting coordination of all food standards work undertaken by international governmental and non-governmental organizations". The Codex Alimentarius (Latin for "Food Code") is regulated under a joint venture between the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and the World Health Organization (WHO).

    Brief History of Codex

    The history of Codex began in 1893 when the Austro-Hungarian Empire decided it needed a specific set of guidelines by which the courts could rule on cases dealing with food.1 This set of regulatory mandates became known as Codex Alimentarius. It was effectively implemented until the fall of the empire in 1918.

    At a meeting in 1962, the United Nations (UN) decided that Codex should be re-implemented worldwide in order to "protect" the health of consumers. Twothirds of funding for Codex emanates from the FAO, and the other third comes from the WHO.

    In 2002, FAO and WHO had serious concerns about the direction of Codex
    and hired an external consultant to determine its performance since 1962 and to designate which direction to take the trade organisation.2 The consultant concluded that Codex should be scrapped immediately. It was at this time that big industry stepped in and exerted its powerful influence. The updated outcome was a toned-down report asking Codex to address 20 concerns within the organisation.

    Since 2002, the Codex Alimentarius Commission has covertly surrendered its
    role as an international public health and consumer protection organisation.
    Under the helm of big industry, the surreptitious purpose of the new Codex is to increase profits for the global corporate juggernauts while controlling the world through food.

    Codex Inequalities

    The most dominant country behind the agenda of Codex is the United States, whose primary purpose is to benefit the large multinational interests of Big Pharma, Big Agribusiness, Big Chema and the like. At the latest meeting in Geneva, Switzerland (30 June to 4 July 2008), the US became the chair of Codex3 and now will exacerbate the distortion of health freedom and continue to promulgate misinformation and lies about nutrients and genetically modified organisms (GMOs) while fulfilling
    its tacit population-control agenda. One reason why the
    US continues to dominate Codex is because other
    countries falsely believe that it possesses the latest and
    greatest food safety technology; hence, whatever the US
    asks for, its allies (Australia, Argentina, Brazil, Canada,
    Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Singapore and the
    European Union) follow suit nearly every time.

    The fact that Codex meetings are held all over the world
    is also no accident and allows the US to maintain its tight
    grip on the Codex agenda
    because the less economically
    viable countries are not able to
    attend. The governments of
    many of these countries (such as
    Cameroon, Egypt, Ghana,
    Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa,
    Sudan and Swaziland) realise
    that Codex has been altered from
    a benevolent food organisation to
    one that is fraudulent, lethal and

    Health Freedom Threats

    While the mainstream media are busy with their esoteric
    agenda of driving fear into the hearts of the world's
    populace by focusing on terrorism, global warming,
    salmonella outbreaks and food shortages, the real threats
    are surreptitiously becoming a reality. Soon, every single
    thing you put into your mouth, including water (with the
    exception of pharmaceuticals, of course), will be highly
    regulated by the Codex Alimentarius Commission.

    The Codex standards are a complete affront to people's
    freedom to access clean, healthy food and beneficial
    nutrients, yet these regulations have no legal international
    standing. Why should we be worried? These soon-to-be
    mandatory standards will apply to every country that's a
    member of the World Trade Organization (WTO)
    (presently there are 153 members). If countries do not
    follow these standards, then crippling economic and trade
    sanctions may be imposed on them, although countries
    may be able to avoid the standards of Codex through the
    implementation of their own international standards.

    Some government-run agencies, like the Therapeutic
    Goods Administration (TGA) in Australia, are informing
    the public that the vitamin and mineral guideline of Codex
    will not affect their country. For
    example, the TGA had this to
    say: "The proposed Codex
    Guidelines for Vitamin and
    Mineral Food Supplements will
    not apply in Australia and will
    have no impact on the way these
    types of products are regulated in

    The bottom line is that no one
    knows what types of laws will be
    passed before Codex
    harmonisation occurs, and no
    country is safe from these
    international guidelines, regardless of what government
    agencies are saying in order to quell pre-emptively any
    potential public uprising. Many alternative health activists
    believe this may be a method to confuse and obfuscate the
    Codex issue until it is too late.

    Some Codex standards which are proposed to take effect
    in the near future, and which will be completely
    irrevocable once initiated, include:5

    • All nutrients (e.g., vitamins and minerals) are to be
    considered toxins/poisons and are to be removed from all
    food because Codex prohibits the use of nutrients to
    "prevent, treat or cure any condition or

    • All food (including organic) is to
    be irradiated, thus removing all "toxic"
    nutrients from food (unless consumers
    can source their food locally). The
    precursor to Codex harmonisation in
    this area began in the USA in August
    2008 with the clandestine decision to
    mandate the mass irradiation of all
    lettuce and spinach in the name of
    public health and safety. If the safety
    of the public was the main concern of
    the US Food and Drug Administration
    (FDA), then why were people not
    alerted to this new practice?

    • Nutrients allowed will be limited to
    a Positive List developed by Codex; it
    will include such "beneficial" nutrients
    as fluoride (3.8 mg daily), sourced
    from industrial waste.

    • All nutrients (e.g., vitamins A, B, C, D, zinc and
    magnesium) that have any positive health impact on the
    body will be deemed illegal in therapeutic doses under
    Codex and are to be reduced to amounts negligible to
    health, with maximum limits set at 15 per cent of the
    current Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA).6 You
    will not be able to obtain these nutrients in therapeutic
    doses anywhere in the world, even with a prescription.
    Potentially permissible safe levels of nutrients under the
    Codex are not yet set in stone. Some probable examples
    based on the European Union (EU) system may include:
    – Niacin: upper limit of 34 μg (micrograms) daily
    (effective daily doses range from 2,000 to 3,000 μg).
    – Vitamin C: upper limits of 65 to
    225 μg daily (effective daily doses
    range from 6,000 to 10,000 μg).
    – Vitamin D: upper limit of 5 μg
    daily (effective daily doses range from
    6,000 to 10,000 μg).
    – Vitamin E: upper limit of 15 IU
    (international units) of alpha tocopherol
    per day, even though alpha tocopherol
    by itself has been implicated in cell
    damage and is toxic to the body
    (effective daily doses of mixed
    tocopherols range from 10,000 to
    12,000 IU).

    • It will most likely be illegal to
    give any advice on nutrition
    (including in written articles
    posted online and in journals as
    well as oral advice to a friend, a
    family member or anyone). This
    directive applies to any and all
    reports on vitamins and minerals
    and all nutritionists' consultations.
    This type of information may be
    considered a hidden barrier to
    trade and may result in economic
    trade sanctions for the involved

    • All dairy cows on the planet are to be treated with
    Monsanto's genetically engineered recombinant bovine
    growth hormone (rBGH).

    • All animals used for food are to be treated with potent
    antibiotics and exogenous growth hormones.

    • Deadly and carcinogenic organic pesticides, including
    seven of the 12 worst (e.g., hexachlorobenzene, toxaphene
    and aldrin), which were banned by 176 countries
    (including the US) in 1991 at the Stockholm Convention
    on Persistent Organic Pollutants,7 will be allowed back
    into food at elevated levels.

    • The Codex will allow dangerous and toxic levels of
    aflatoxin (0.5 ppb) in milk. Aflatoxin, produced in animal
    feed that's gone mouldy in storage, is the second-mostpotent
    (non-radiation-related) carcinogenic compound

    • Use of growth hormones and antibiotics will be
    mandatory on all livestock, birds and aquacultured species
    meant for human consumption.

    • The worldwide introduction of unlabelled and deadly
    GMOs into crops, animals, fish and plants will be

    • Elevated levels of residue from pesticides and
    insecticides that are toxic to humans and animals will be

    The Population Control Agenda

    In 1995, the FDA adopted an illegal policy which stated
    that international standards (i.e., Codex) would supersede
    US laws governing all food, even if
    these standards were incomplete.8
    Furthermore, in 2004, the US passed
    the Central America Free Trade
    Agreement (illegal under US law, but
    legal under international law) that
    requires the US to conform to Codex.9

    Once these standards are adopted,
    there is no way to return to the
    standards of old, but countries can
    adopt ones that are considered higher
    than those of Codex. An example of
    this would be the European
    Supplements Directive. Once Codex
    compliance begins in any area, as
    long as any country remains a
    member of the WTO, it is totally
    irrevocable: the standards cannot
    be repealed, changed or altered in
    any way, shape or form.10, 11, 12

    Population control for money is
    the easiest way to describe the new
    Codex Alimentarius, which in
    effect is being run by the US and
    primarily controlled by Big
    Pharma with the aim of reducing
    the world's population from its
    current estimate of 6.692 billion to
    a sustainable 500 million—an approximate 93 per cent
    reduction. Interestingly enough, before the arrival of
    Europeans in America, the Native American population in
    the US was around 60 million;13 today it hovers around
    500,000, or an approximate 92 per cent reduction as a
    result of government policies of genocide, starvation and

    Codex is similar to other population control measures
    undertaken clandestinely by governments of the western
    world; for example, the introduction of DNA-damaging
    and latent immunosuppressive agents in vaccines (e.g.,
    weaponised avian flu and AIDS), aspartame, chemtrails,
    chemotherapy for cancer treatment and RU486 (the
    abortion pill funded by the Rockefeller dynasty).

    FAO and WHO have estimated that by the introduction
    of just the vitamin and mineral guideline alone, within 10
    years a minimum three billion deaths will result.14 One
    billion of these deaths will be due to starvation, and two
    billion as a result of preventable and degenerative diseases
    of undernutrition, e.g., cancer, cardiovascular disease and
    diabetes.15, 16

    The foisting of degraded, demineralised, pesticide-filled
    and irradiated foods on consumers is the fastest and most
    efficient way to cause a profitable surge in malnutrition
    and preventable and degenerative diseases, for which the
    most appropriate course of action is toxic pharmaceutical
    treatment. Death for profit is the new name of the game.

    Big Pharma has been waiting for Codex harmonisation
    for years. An incognisant world
    population physically degenerating at an
    accelerated pace, providing a spike in
    revenue, is the ultimate goal for the
    furtive and egregious controllers of this
    corrupt trade organisation purportedly
    looking out for the health of consumers.

    Fighting Back with Private

    Rima Laibow, MD, medical director
    for the Natural Solutions Foundation,
    has brought legal action against the US
    government and continues to attend
    every Codex meeting as a public
    observer while fighting for our
    health freedom. She has also been
    meeting with delegates from
    various countries to make them
    aware of Private Standards, which
    allow countries to draft food
    standards which are safer and
    higher than those mandated by
    Codex. Obviously, drafting safer
    standards is not a difficult task, and
    many countries can seemingly
    circumvent the flawed and
    irrevocable guidelines that Codex
    is attempting to implement.17

    Battle over GM Labelling

    The latest Codex meeting in Geneva concluded with
    some interesting outcomes. Some long-simmering
    acrimony began to surface as the US continued to force
    forward the biased agendas of Big Pharma, Big Chema,
    Big Agribusiness and the like without considering the
    input of many other countries. Typically, if the US does
    not want a country's input, the host country of the meeting
    simply denies visas to official delegates. Several countries
    object to this practice and stated that because of this and
    other reasons, decisions made by Codex in their absence
    do not have international legitimacy.

    One major point of contention is the US and the Codex
    Alimentarius Commission's staunch refusal to allow
    labelling of GMOs. Japan, Norway, Russia, Switzerland
    and virtually all the African countries and 26 European
    Union countries have fought the US for nearly 18 years to
    introduce mandatory labelling of GMOs. The US
    fallaciously considers GMOs to be equivalent to non-
    GMOs, based solely on a 1992 Executive Order from then-
    President George H. W. Bush. Consequently, no premarket
    safety testing is conducted on any GMOs before
    they are released into the food chain in the US. The FDA
    refuses to review any safety data except to conduct a single
    preliminary review early in the organism's development.

    Opponents of the US policy prohibiting labelling of
    genetically modified food conclude that the US does not
    want GMOs labelled because of the
    potential legal ramifications for and
    liability of manufacturers and the US
    government if these foods can be
    traced. If millions of people are
    harmed or killed due to the instability
    of the inserted DNA promoter viruses
    and marker bacteria when interacting
    with the dynamic and fluid structure of
    the human body, then millions of
    lawsuits may result. But if these
    GMOs are totally untraceable, then
    corporate or government liability
    cannot be assessed and the health of
    the entire population suffers. Some
    FDA scientists have repeatedly
    warned about releasing GMOs
    into the general food supply
    because of the dangers, but they
    have been ignored or routinely

    Prior to the Geneva meeting, the
    Codex Committee on Food
    Labelling met in Ottawa, Canada
    (28 April to 2 May 2008). The
    meeting concluded with several
    pro–mandatory GMO labelling
    nations angry that the committee
    had not objectively analysed the empirical research,
    prepared by the South Africa delegation, detailing the
    dangers of GMOs. This document delineated the need for
    mandatory labelling of GMOs, but was ignored and
    subsequently withdrawn due to US pressure. As a result,
    several countries planned to scrap the requirements of
    Codex and adopt their own labelling system for GMOs in
    an effort to curtail the spread of "lethal" food. This became
    a real quandary for FAO and WHO.

    According to Dr Laibow, at the recent Geneva meeting
    FAO and WHO finally stepped in and decided to
    undertake a program to identify low-level contamination
    of GMOs in food.

    The definition of low-level contamination will still
    depend on each country's standards. For example, the US
    currently allows for up to 10 per cent
    (the highest of any country under
    Codex) of GMO contamination of
    organic foods and, amazingly, still
    allows them to be labelled as "USDA
    Certified Organic". Some
    governments, such as the European
    Union, allow only 0.9 per cent
    contamination, while others permit
    merely 0.1 per cent.

    However, the FAO and WHO's use
    of the term "contamination" simply
    does not describe the GMOs as being
    mixed in with normal food. This term
    is also very noteworthy, as most
    research on the dangers of GMOs can
    no longer be denied.

    The US, of course, vehemently
    objected to such a designation, but this
    time to no avail.

    Although FAO and WHO have not
    gone so far as to require mandatory
    labelling of GMOs, their recognition
    that GMOs can contaminate food is a
    huge win for health freedom.
    Expanding that requirement to
    mandatory labelling is the next logical
    step, but this is still a work in

    Take Action against Codex!

    The only way to avoid the death-forprofit
    agenda is to fight back by
    disseminating knowledge to everyone
    you know.

    It does not matter whether they are
    still asleep or hypnotised by the
    enslavement of daily life or too busy to
    pay attention: the time to wake up is

    The US government and the
    collaborating media have been trying to
    distract the world while all these
    egregious and mandatory standards are
    covertly passed.

    It is time to take action, and you can
    do so by going to the website of the
    Natural Solutions Foundation, which
    can be found at,
    and following the latest updates
    on Codex. You can also sign a legal
    citizen's petition at the web page
    It is very important that swift and
    vociferous action be taken now.
    Times are changing very rapidly, and
    unless we all come together on this
    issue we may have to start thinking
    about growing our own food in the
    near future to avoid calculated

    Here are more contacts for action
    against the Codex:

    • Australia
    You can send an email to the
    Department of Agriculture and Food
    in Western Australia or the Minister
    for Agriculture in your respective
    state. For example, in WA the email
    address is
    The Therapeutic Goods
    Administration can also be contacted
    online via its website

    • New Zealand
    You can use the NZ Health Trust's
    – NOVEMBER 2008
    website to send your comments to
    your Member of Parliament:

    • UK
    Emails can be sent to the Food
    Standards Agency, which represents
    the UK at Codex sessions. Contact
    Michelle McQuillan by email at .uk.

    • USA
    You can get your voice heard by
    sending emails or writing to your
    congressperson (go to
    If you send one email to Congress, it
    will ostensibly count as 13,000 emails.
    (US Congress suggests that for each
    person who takes the time to write or
    email a congressperson, there are
    another 13,000 others who share
    similar views but do not take the time
    to promulgate them.) You can also
    contact US Congress via
    The address for the US Codex is:
    US Department of Agriculture, South
    Building, Room 4861, 1400
    Independence Ave, SW, Washington,
    DC 20250, phone (202) 205 7760, fax
    (202) 720 3157, email
    The US Codex official
    website is

    • Other Countries
    The best way to have your voice
    heard is to determine who your local
    representatives are and contact them
    with a unified and vociferous stand.
    This can be done easily through
    various online search engines. ∞


    1. Laibow, R.E., Nutricide:
    Criminalizing Natural Health,
    Vitamins, and Herbs (video), Natural
    Solutions Foundation, 2005, at
    2. Laibow, Rima E., MD,
    "'Nutraceuticide' and Codex
    Alimentarius: The Death of
    Nutritional Medicine", Alternative &
    Complementary Therapies 2005 Oct
    1; 11(5):223-229
    3. USDA, "FSIS official Dr. Karen
    Hulebak elected chair of Codex
    Alimentarius Commission", News
    Release No. 0175.08, 1 July 2008, at!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?contentidonly
    (accessed 17 August 2008)
    4. Therapeutic Goods Administration,
    Codex Fact Sheet, May 2005, at (accessed 17 August 2008)
    5. Laibow, "'Nutraceuticide' and
    Codex Alimentarius", op. cit.
    6. Codex Guidelines for Vitamin and
    Mineral Food Supplements, at (accessed 10 July 2008)
    7. Stockholm Convention on
    Persistent Organic Pollutants, (accessed 10 July
    8. US Food and Drug Administration,
    Federal Register, October 11, 1995
    (vol. 60, no. 196), at (accessed 10
    July 2008)
    9. Washington Office on Latin
    America (WOLA), Central
    America–Dominican Republic Free
    Trade Agreement, at ection&id=6&Itemid=&topic=Rights+and+Dev elopment&sub=1&content_topic=CAFTA (accessed 10
    July 2008)
    10. Laibow, Nutricide (video), op. cit.
    11. Laibow, "'Nutraceuticide' and
    Codex Alimentarius", op. cit.
    12. Laibow, R.E., MD, Natural
    Solutions Foundation's Codex
    Commission Report (video), at
    (accessed 10 July 2008)
    13. Cook, N.D., Born to Die:
    Disease and New World Conquest,
    1492–1650, Cambridge University
    Press, Cambridge and New York,
    14. Personal communication with Dr
    Rima Laibow from Jim Turner, JD,
    partner at Swankin & Turner,
    Washington, DC, quoted in: Laibow,
    "'Nutraceuticide' and Codex
    Alimentarius", op. cit., p. 223
    15. Laibow, Nutricide (video), op. cit.
    16. Laibow, "'Nutraceuticide' and
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    17. Laibow, Natural Solutions
    Foundation's Codex Commission
    Report (video), op. cit.

    About the Author:

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    vegan lifestyle and runs a Quantum
    Biofeedback clinic managing
    various clients with conditions
    ranging from depression to cancer.
    He is currently writing a book for
    parents, educating on hidden
    dangers of vaccines, chemical
    toxicity in toys, GMOs, EMF and
    EMR, and on ways to combat rising
    levels of childhood illness and
    neurological disease by building
    immunity naturally and through
    detoxification and sound nutrition.
    His goal is to increase global
    awareness of the myriad health
    issues facing us today and the fact
    that 100 per cent of them are
    preventable and completely
    Dr Damato is a licensed
    psychologist based in Perth,
    Western Australia, and can be
    contacted by email at His
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    I have to log onto the Australian TGA site every once in a while and I did notice them reference this stuff! Holy Hell!

    What does this codex actually solve? And where is the proof that those who implement it would actually be doing good to the community? Where is the collected data of 'deaths' relating to extreme malpractice by acredited doctors and practictioners that warrant such a thing?

    Where are the hoardes of dead bodies????? HUNH???

    At the moment, this will undermine everything the medical industry was designed for, the principle of ethics and healing people. We now know the bio manufacturing establishments are only desinged as profit engines for jews and not for the good of the community. ONLY THEY BENIFIT.

    It is disgraceful that monsters can actually influence governments in such a way. They are just using propg-techniques to push it past logical thought. Thanks for finding Víđálfr.

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    This is the ultimate in tyranny. Of course, the treasonous slimeballs behind all this will exempt themselves from these laws and have all the healthy food, herbs, etc. that they want.

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    I genuinely doubt that there is much reason to post anything here - after all, this thread was abandoned seven years ago more or less - but here goes: I find both the absolute belief in herbal cures as well as the utter disbelief in the wonder of modern medicine to stagger credulity. Some facts spring to mind:

    - herbal remedies for man's illnesses have been around likely as long as mankind has been, freely available and limited only by commonality/preferred ecological climate.

    - Old age has only climbed since the birth and growth of science-based medicine. Before, even into the Elizabethan era, to live to thirty was to live to old age.

    - Through advances in science-based medicine many of the diseases that plagued man in the past can be cured or have been eradicated (Bubonic plague, being bacterial, can be cured with antibiotics; Polio is almost extinct in the world, and smallpox only survives as a couple of samples). While the success rate of hospitals and modern medicine is not 100% on curing disease or malady, I know it is much better than the homeopathic alternative, which can claim no disease which is cured by it.

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