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    Immigrants Feel There Are Too Many Immigrants

    THE HAGUE, 25/03/10 - Many immigrants themselves consider there are too many immigrants in the Netherlands. Turks are even more negative than the 'indigenous' Dutch, according to a survey by the Socio-Cultural Planning Bureau (SCP) commissioned by the integration ministry.

    Among Turks, 58 percent feel there are too many immigrants in the Netherlands, compared with 44 percent among the 'indigenous' (white) Dutch population. This view is also ascribed to around one-third of the Moroccan, Surinamese and Antillean Dutch.

    About one-third of the Turks (35 percent) and Moroccans (29 percent) in the Netherlands have no contact with white Dutch people in their free time. Among the Surinamese, the figure is 14 percent and among the Antilleans, 17 percent. The other way round, 52 percent of the Dutch have no contact with non-Western immigrants in their free time.

    The ethnic composition of the neighbourhood influences the degree of inter-ethnic contact. Migrants who live in overwhelmingly 'black' districts have contact less often with white Dutch than migrants living in mostly 'white' districts, the SCP concludes.

    The white Dutch assess Moroccans most negatively. On an assessment scale of 0 to 100, the Moroccan group comes bottom with 45 points, followed closely by the Antillean group (48 percent). The Turkish group gets 55 points and the Surinamese, 58 points.

    Non-Western migrants assess the white Dutch more positively. The Surinamese give them an average score of 71 points. Turks, Moroccans and Antilleans give the Dutch 66 points on average, but SCP does not report separate scores from these three groups.

    Over one-fifth (22 percent) of the white Dutch would find it unpleasant or very unpleasant if their children were to have an immigrant partner. The other way round, 40 percent of Turks and 35 percent of Moroccan Dutch would find it (very) unpleasant if their children should choose a white partner. Among person of Surinamese and Antillean extraction, this number is much lower (5 and 3 percent respectively).

    Among the Turkish Dutch, 37 percent endorse the statement that 'as an immigrant to Netherlands one is given all opportunities'. This applies to 38 percent of the Antilleans, 40 percent of the Moroccans and 51 percent of the Surinamese Dutch, while 43 percent of the indigenous Dutch endorse the statement.

    Around 40 percent of people of Turkish, Moroccan and Antillean extraction say they have personal experiences of discrimination. Among the Surinamese Dutch, this applies to 33 percent.
    http://www.nisnews.nl/public/250310_1.htm

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    Are immigrants feeling as they want to keep a land to themselfs and not share it with other immigrants?

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    If more and more of the immigrants see the problem themselves, how can any European in a clear state of mind think that immigration is just a gift and enrichment?

    Diversity becomes a burden especially if a society has no clear course and leading element any more - which is something all Western European nations are heading to, with many unpleasant consequences for all of us and our peoples as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    If more and more of the immigrants see the problem themselves, how can any European in a clear state of mind think that immigration is just a gift and enrichment?

    Diversity becomes a burden especially if a society has no clear course and leading element any more - which is something all Western European nations are heading to, with many unpleasant consequences for all of us and our peoples as a whole.
    Good point. When unity (as a people with a common history and heritage) is lost, there is no course nor a leading element.
    We, in fact, are our worst enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Good point. When unity (as a people with a common history and heritage) is lost, there is no course nor a leading element.
    We, in fact, are our worst enemy.
    We are sick, the mass immigration of non-integrable elements and their higher reproductive rate just means that we will get no chance to get back on our feets and healthy again, if we dont manage to change the course of events in time.

    What they take us away with mass immigration is therefore the option to come back to a more healthy state and of course unity as you said.

    Such an individualised bastard mass of pseudo-plurality in a fractionised society is easy to control, easy to manipulate, easy to exploit by the establishment, whereas an unified, homogenous people might pose a threat, if not yet, so in the future, to their plans of controlling the INDIVIDUALS!

    If we act collectively, we can overturn their rule, if we act as INDIVIDUALS we are lost. Thats why they destroy every kind of collective identity which might pose a threat to their rule, now or any time in the future.

    Its a preventive measure, since these days they have no threat to fear at all.

    And its my personal opinion, that this is the only reason for the dollar-investment bubble living on and the final crisis and "reforms" to a New World Order are postponed, they are busy with preperations to prevent the Western collectives, nations, people from staging a revolution as a people, folk against a system of control which is still dependent on people supporting it to a much larger degree than it will be necessary in the future.

    The future will be totalitarian and it will be the total control of the Plutocratic Oligarchy.

    For that to achieve, every value must be monetarised and all social structures controlled. Irrational or rational bonds of larger groups of people by other means than those used by the Plutocracy are a threat - and must be...
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    I think that immigrants may just have a problem with immigrants who are from a different ethnic group. In the US for example, Mexicans favor other Hispanics over Asians but will also favor other Mexicans over Guatemalans or Salvadorans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    I think that immigrants may just have a problem with immigrants who are from a different ethnic group. In the US for example, Mexicans favor other Hispanics over Asians but will also favor other Mexicans over Guatemalans or Salvadorans.
    Mate, that is pretty obvious.

    Recently we had "race riots" between Maroccans and Moluccans, in Holland (for crying out loud)!!
    It wasn' t reported a racist riot because it involved two minority groups....instead of Dutch versus immigrants, then it would be reported as a race riot, of course.
    But riots between two immigrant groups are just considered discontent and upheavel and shouldn t be linked to racism nor culture.

    It seems like we "racists" have a monopoly to create race riots, because we are bound to our lands in which our ancestors were born (Shame on you and shame on our ancestors who are bound to our lands and heritage...).
    Our "respected" politicians and journalists won t acknowledge there is a clash in cultures, even between minorities, let alone our Dutch culture and imported cultures.

    Nowadays, in Holland, the facts are Turks and Moluccans hate Maroccans, Surimanes dislike Turks and Moroccans and the list goes on and on....even to minority minorities.

    It 's actually not a matter of those immigrants disliking eachother. They all hate eachother because it's human nature to protect your own.
    It IS about decent Dutch (or any other full blooded Northern Germanic) who aren't able or "allowed" to dislike immigrants.
    Most immigrant groups have a strong sense of culture and heritage. They are racist to the bone, mostly. Racism is a human trade, like it or not.


    We, Northern Europeans, havent got any sense of unity nor sense of our culture and heritage for the most part, otherwise we would rebel against the current state of affairs.
    That is what is worrying me the most... It's all beaten out of us, from the moment we learn about our "false colonial and nazi history" in elementary school, going on to high school and university.

    We are our worst enemy

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    In Austria the authorities try to keep asylum seekers from specific ethnic groups apart, because if being put together, in one center, violence escalates regularly and its very dangerous for the Austrian personnel to work there, not talking about regular police and ambulance operations, the costs etc.

    I have no problem with such behaviour, as I think its normal to dislike certain kind of people. The real problem is that they are here in my country to begin with, rest just adds to that.

    Liberals always say its just Islam, or ethnic disputes here and there, NO, the concept of Multiculturalism and a Plural society in the way practised in the West is a sick and destructive ideology and system to its core. You can't even blame the indigenous or the foreign people, the system as such is a crime and only works for the plutocracy. Rest being exploited, corrupted or misled...
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    All immigrant groups hate each other here, it does not matter if they are the same religion, and i say good, hate each other and go back to where you came from.

    Over one-fifth (22 percent) of the white Dutch would find it unpleasant or very unpleasant if their children were to have an immigrant partner.
    Only 22% ? sad, very sad, the core of the problem.

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