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    To BundOstmark

    You forget something; would I have needed to revolt in your "Führer's time"?

    And why don't you tell us what you disagree with rather than trash talk? Are your feelings stronger than you mind? You should focus less on drinking beer (I am referring to your avatar picture here) and more on using your brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    You forget something; would I have needed to revolt in your "Führer's time"?

    And why don't you tell us what you disagree with rather than trash talk? Are your feelings stronger than you mind? You should focus less on drinking beer (I am referring to your avatar picture here) and more on using your brain.
    Its not trash talk. I like RAC not crappy BM. Nothing good about BM.

    My feelings and mind are for my German/Austrian Volk.

    You wasted your violence on a building.

    If you were going to use violence it could have been better used on the physical enemies of Norway.

    So now lets talk about your brains !!!

    Do you have a problem with German/Austrian beer ?

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    To BundOstmark

    Sorry, but I was not referring to your talk about my music. I couldn't care less if you like it or not, and my music is completely irrelevant in this context.

    Your feelings and your mind might be for your German/Austrian Volk, but you shouldn't settle with being a German/Austrian. Your Austrian passport doesn't make you a part of the "Herrenvolk" or anything. In fact it matters no whit. It is what you are and what you do, what you think and what you achieve that matters.

    I do have a problem with beer in general, because drunk, ill-behaving, uneducated so-called "neo-Nazis" makes it hard for me and others to argue for what we believe in. Such so-called "neo-Nazis" often do more harm than they do good. Your talk falls into the "more harm" category.

    And you still haven't explained why you have a problem with me or what I stand for. Listing church arson as a reason is pretty lame, considering the fact that I have not burned any churches. I am convicted for doing so, by a Communist court of law, but that's not the same. Get it?

    Oh, and I did use physical violence on an enemy of Norway. Yet it is true that I did first and foremost because he was a threat to my life as well. The fact that he was a Communist and at least half Lappish comes as a bonus...

    You are free to discuss my brains if you like to. It is well functioning and located 182 cm above ground, hidden by blue eyes, behind a straight nose and a straight forehead, and inside a skull with skull index of 0.780036, and covered by (increasingly thin...) blonde hair of different hues. Some even think I have nice features. That's about as "Germanic" as you can get. What about you, German/Austrian?
    Last edited by Varg Vikernes; Saturday, March 13th, 2010 at 09:49 AM. Reason: Grammatical corrections

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    @ varg

    Well nothing against you personally, but in general the BM people are not good for Germanic Preservation.

    They are as bad for the public image as the skinheads are.

    And if you defended yourself against a red and used violence OK.

    Now don't judge me for my avatar. The avatar is of a beautiful Tyrolean meadow near Meran with a brand of beer (Forst) brewed in the now occupied South Tyrol, where my family originates.

    Maybe I was hasty to judge you by comparison with many BM people.

    I'll reserve my condemnation of you until you prove otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    Further, like I said, my race is my nation, and my race is identified by beauty and the blonde hair and blue eyes, not by passports. I am of Jarl's kin, and so is my wife, so I haven't betrayed my nation.
    Does your wife's entire family also have blonde hair and blue eyes, and yours as well? I am just curious.

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    To BundOstmark

    Well, my friend, you should have paid more attention to what I have to say about BM and that culture before judging me. Read the first part of this:

    http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_..._story10.shtml

    I often judge too hastily about others, because I am sick and tired of giving others the benefit of the doubt. I am sure we have more in common than most others if we try to find out.

    Don't drink too much of that beer.

    Cheers.

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    Carefully, this reply is going to be lengthy, but I hope at least insightful to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    There are no homogenous countries. The racial differences between for example different (ethnic «Norwegian») individuals in Norway are often much bigger than with some of these individuals and similar individuals from other «nations».
    This is of course true, but here we must consider chronology important. In some cases, it is impossible to separate racial strains in a given area or population, for instance both Neolithic (e.g. Nordid) and Cromagnoid (e.g. Borreby) strains are likely to have mixed already at a time before Germanic ethnogenesis, and might then have migrated together.

    As with any population that migrates, it is rarely the entire population that migrates to the new place, some will always stay beyond and either assimilate into a new population strain to arrive, or form a new population by themselves. Over generations, certain strains might re-emerge or strangely recombine though, which is why - in terms of racial characteristics - phenotype alone might not be enough.

    And let me make this perfectly clear; «Norwegian» is a cultural definition and a language (in the Germanic language group), but it is not a racial definition. The same applies to «German», «Dutch», «Swedish» and so forth.
    Of course, no Germanic nation can be completely uniform in terms of phenotypical sub-race, as I stated the formation of most European phenotype classes predates Germanic ethnogenesis. As such, it can indeed never be a racial classification, but certainly a cultural and linguistic one, both of which are generally that which sets a population apart from racially kindred populations, and which are thus that which provide the term "folk".

    To argue that I am a «folk traitor» because I married a person I have more in common with genetically than I do with perhaps even most of my fellow countrymen is plain stupid.
    As I said, to me that makes it a "racially correct, but ethnically incorrect" marriage, race is not enough to make a population. You have to consider the dynamic of cultural and language, which decide the variable manifestations of our classifiable self.

    With phenotypes arising before Germanic culture or language did, raising race alone (which is important, but empty without language or culture counted in) above all others, would be to deny the past 10,000 years of the folk soul's development.

    My race is my nation, and this race is identified by its beauty, fair skin, blue eyes and blonde hair.
    It would be valid, if only it were identified alone by "its beauty, fair skin, blue eyes and blonde hair." With the Nordid (de-)pigmentational mean essentially being medium-blonde, and certainly not homozygously blonde, it is always possible for four blonde/blue grandparents to have a brown/brown child, much like it is enough to have intermediate levels of blondism in the grandparental generation (or at least strongly in the great-grandparental generation) on both sides, to have blonde hair.

    Since I consider it redundant to repeat myself a ninth time, I will expect you to read in the post I link here for your convenience. This "eighth time" is linked because unlike the earlier posts it tackles the question of homozygosity/heterozygosity as well.

    If you indeed checked your wife's past, let's say, 12-13 generations for all-blonde and all-white-blonde background then hats off to you. If you didn't then chances are that any offspring from that union, perhaps not directly but a grandchild or great-grandchild might well be brown/brown.

    Moreover, of course, pigment can be a pointer but not a criterion in itself. I'm essentially a tad darker (brown hair, grey-green/blue-green eyes) than the genetic mean of my recent ancestors, but have oft been stated as a good example of the Borreby racial type, believed to be one of the oldest sub-races within the Germanic tribal spectrum and thought to be part thereof since ethnogenesis.

    Many of them even said that it was surreal and a shame to watch how short, stocky, often brown eyed and dark haired German soldiers
    Alpinisation/Borealisation is held to be more likely a process rather than a direct racial strain. This is exemplified by certain subracial continuums (Borreby > Nordalpinoid > Alpinid; Baltid > East-Baltid > Lappoid; etc.) impossible to mark from each other. Leave an über-Nordid blonde/blue population in an environment ideal for borealisation and give them a couple of thousand years and they'll at the very least be "Schrumpfgermanen" (if perhaps not "nachgedunkelt").

    «Tacitus mentions that they (i. e. the tribes living in Antiquity in what is today known as Germany) have common characteristics of blue eyes, blond or reddish hair.»
    Blue eyes (or at least light eyes: Blue, Grey Green) are in dominance throughout most of Europe anyway, this is hardly remarkable trait. Rufosity can be caused by a variety of ways, fife different - of which two to three different are almost definitely European-only - have been discovered. Blonde hair finally is something which I have mentioned in another thread to be up to the beholder (also in response to a post of yours).

    Secondly, what was Tacitus' sample? For all we know, the Germanic tribes could have been 90% swarthy and 10% blonde but could have hidden their swarthy types whenever a foreigner was in approach, and that foreigner would think they were all blonde. Far-fetched and rather impossible example, but it will do to point out that we have to be careful when it comes to taking ancient works as bare coin.

    Can we say the same about the modern «nation» of Germany? Today blonde hair and blue eyes are dominant traits only in the northern extremes of Germany.
    Actually, you'd be surprised how common a blonde/blue combination is even in the greater of the Alpine valleys (not the smaller back-valleys of course). I would set the prevalence of blonde/blue in the Inn Valley at roughly the same level as for most of Denmark:

    Curiously, amongst my "closer circle" of associates, the majority has at least either blonde hair or blue eyes, in some cases both. Strangely enough of the six that have brown eyes, four have blonde hair and the other has the reddest beard I've ever seen, and this is here in supposedly "swarthy Tyrol". The sixth is a brown/brown girl with blonde body hair and a blonde/blue sister.

    More curiously even some of the "über-blondes" who are blonde/blue have less blonde or red-headed great-grandparents than I with brown/green pigment. In my case this is 5/8 (4/8 blonde, 1/8 red), morphologically/phenotypically (and especially in profile) I'm closest to the red-haired great-grandparent which is why I'm usually wary of over-simplifying genetics.

    (Then again there's young-childhood pictures of my and my mother wherre we have the same golde-blonde waves, with mine subsequently turning strawberry-blonde, then auburn, long before they became "brown proper", so I suppose at 186cm I have no need to count myself into the "Schrumpfgermanen" department, anyway, only into the "literally nachgedunkelt" one. )

    These thralls were all blonde and blue eyed, like all the ancient Slavs were, and like I said already, that's more than what we can say about most modern Germans (or modern Norwegians, for that sake).
    Is this true of all Slavs or only East-Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, etc.). Certainly I can only see intermediate levels of blondism amongst West-Slavs (Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, etc.) and only very, very low levels of blondism amongst South-Slavs (Slovenes, Serbo-Croats, Bulgarians, etc.)

    Norwegian women are undesirable.[...]Further, Norwegian women are (generally speaking and naturally with many exeptions) cheap sluts, who spread their legs to just about anyone, including racially dubious characters.[...]I don't have the time to dig through tons of garbage just to find one diamond, so to speak.
    If the rest of us can, how come you can't dig through the garbage just to find one diamand, "so to speak"? We once had a member here who talked the same ways, and justified this way why he took a Filipina girlfriend. Of course, you cannot compare the two, but you see the slippery slope we arrive at if we all used that argument to turn blind to the diamonds some of our countrywomen or at least fellow Germanics might be?

    I am myself of good stock, and if both were beautiful, blonde and blue eyed I'de still marry a noble French woman anytime before some Norwegian peasant. Class-mixing is also wrong.
    I can see where you are coming from, as my ex-girlfriend was a (red/grey-blue) British Isles lassie (+ with 1/4 of Scandinavian heritage) of reasonably notable standing, coming like myself curiously from "countryside upper-middle-class families with the odd tinge of nobility, who have seen better times" and I found that more refreshing than I would find going for an utterly peasant woman from next door. I will thus applaud you for the class-mixing comment, this is what I've noticed as well with my traditional choice of women.

    However, to me this was still fine, since it was within the "wider Germanic picture", which is the boundary I set myself when dating. I set this as a boundary by looking at the wider concepts of the tangible Germanic past and present, as we know from bracteates and other artistic finds (much more than by antique writers) that "all Germanics were a loose unity, but a unity" who were bound together by a common faith, a linguistic continuum, asf. --- within the constraints of reasonably racial AND cultural AND ethno-linguistic relation, this seems like a good boundary to me, what was good enough to those ancestors who moved into my area will be good enough for me.

    And ultimately this union of a "wider racial spectrum" with a "cultural spectrum" and a "linguistically defined spectrum" is what I would consider a more solid footing as a basis for chosing one's "pool for fishing". I can't tell you not to be a Nordicist, there is sure some validity in it --- however I feel that chosing solely by sub-race, or even solely by pigment, is basically looking after the shell/container without looking after the contents. Without culture & language to fill the box it'd be an empty box and I don't want to fill this box with both potatoes and chocolate, only with one.

    Finally, having moved on, I will stress though that I've become more "tribal" these days, having declared fellow Bajuvarian ladies as my "prime choice of partner", these days I count mentality and adaptability to one's own cherished surroundings as an important part in judging compatibility.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    And let me make this perfectly clear; «Norwegian» is a cultural definition and a language (in the Germanic language group), but it is not a racial definition. The same applies to «German», «Dutch», «Swedish» and so forth.
    Yes it is a racial definition too. At least for the Germans. The folk has some common traits besides culture and language. That is why immigrants can't become German except in the eyes of the politically correct. The Nationalsocialists defined six Europid races which make up the German folk.

    Norwegian women are undesirable. Many of them for genetic reasons (like because they have brown eyes and dark hair),
    I doubt the majority of Norwegian women have brown eyes and dark hair. I've been to Norway myself and the population I encountered was predominantly light haired and eyed. Genetic maps seem to confirm it. At least, Norway is on average much more Nordic and light than France.

    beautiful, slender, blue eyed and blonde Slavs as «Untermenschen», only because they weren't «Germanic».
    Nonsense. The term was used for non-Aryans, not non-Germanics.

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    To Sigurd

    Most of what you say is nonsense, and I am sorry for not giving you too many examples of what I mean here -- and I don't because this is a waste of my time. I will give you at least one example though.

    What I said was that originally all Slavs had blonde hair and blue eyes. You on the other hand start to talk about the Slavonic nations of today. That's pure nonsense. Especially what you say about the South-Slavs is highly ignorant. Yes, they are often dark today, but what else do you expect from an area that had its population raped by Turks for more than 400 years? (And your "dinard" race type is just a European mixed with a Turk).

    Why would I bother discussing things with you when you fail to comprehend even such basics?

    Further; Poland is one of the blondest countries on Earth. Belarus ("White Rus") is called Belarus because of the (possibly former) concentration of blondes in that area.

    Language? Well, 40% of all English words are originally French words, and much of the remaining 60% is Celtic, Latin and from other languages than Anglo-Saxon, so should we shun English brides as well then? Your logic is so flawed you should be ashamed of yourself. And you care about matters that are so utterly meaningless I don't know what to say.

    Using an Asian woman as an example when discussing a noble blonde and blye eyed Frankish woman is just childish. Grow up.

    And you better think twice before you call someone like me a "Folk traitor" again.

    Don't bother replying to this. Grow older and wiser before you do, kid, and have a humble request for my forgiveness for your stupid utterances ready before you do.

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    To Todesengel

    You actually claim that "German" is a "racial" definition? Are you kidding me?

    I didn't say the majority of Norwegian women have brown eyes/hair. I said many of them do. Big difference. Read what I say before posting a reply.

    Yes, Norway is on average lighter than France, but what has that got to do with anything? What has that got to do with my fair French wife? Everybody we meet in Norway thinks she is Norwegian, by the way, because she "looks Norwegian" -- and of course our children look "Norwegian" too.

    Okay, I didn't use the term "Aryan" and "non-Aryan", but I am sorry to tell you Todesengel that there is no such thing as an "Aryan" race. It's the name of a tribe that emigrated most likely from the area we know today as Latvia and Lithuania to Persia and the Indus Valley. The Aryans were Europeans too, fair skinned, blonde and blue eyed, and they created a civilisation in different parts of Asia. It has nothing to do with Germans/Germany, other than the Aryans being of the same European race as the Germans and all other Europeans (although I could argue that only the blondes and blue eyed amongst us still look European).

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