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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenschlag View Post
    Didn't he marry a French woman? If so, should he not be considered a traitor to Germanic preservation?
    He was indeed slandered for that on Skadi, back when his marriage first became public knowledge, which led to him signing up here to defend himself.

    I don't think Varg has ever proclaimed to be a Germanicist, though. But a racialist and a Nordicist. So on this point, I don't think he's being inconsistent, for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    He was indeed slandered for that on Skadi, back when his marriage first became public knowledge, which led to him signing up here to defend himself.

    I don't think Varg has ever proclaimed to be a Germanicist, though. But a racialist and a Nordicist. So on this point, I don't think he's being inconsistent, for once.
    And yet Nicole Kidman and many other examples with clearly British physical types are considered Germanic here, as I have pointed out before. I mean, can people seriously be expected to identify as Germanic, when they don't look like Germanics?

    In the case of France, it makes me smile a bit, given that the French are shamelessly overrepresented among the foreign men that look to marry Swedish women. I have run into so many disgusting examples like this in Sweden I lost count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenschlag View Post
    And yet Nicole Kidman and many other examples with clearly British physical types are considered Germanic here, as I have pointed out before. I mean, can people seriously be expected to identify as Germanic, when they don't look like Germanics?
    Nicole Kidman doesn't look Germanic? What is a Germanic supposed to look like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenschlag View Post
    I am not against Varg or his choice of wife/children. I just think it's a bit contradictory nobody objected to it, given how people react when I raise the possibility that Germanic men should be allowed to date women who are partly non-Germanic, if they are racially compatible.
    Lots of people on Skadi object to it. Probably the majority does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenschlag View Post
    In the case of France, it makes me smile a bit, given that the French are shamelessly overrepresented among the foreign men that look to marry Swedish women. I have run into so many disgusting examples like this in Sweden I lost count.
    I've never even seen any French people in Scandinavia. But I recall when I was in France, that all a lot of guys talked about "Scandinavian, blonde women" when I said I was from Norway. Kind of off-putting to hear one's women fetishized like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Nicole Kidman doesn't look Germanic? What is a Germanic supposed to look like?
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    She looks typical Irish/Celtic. She even plays Irish on several films. What more do you want?

    Typical Germanic looks is from where Germanic culture originated, so basically Northern Germany and Denmark. If you look like you could be from there more than Slavic/Romance/Celtic etc., then you probably look Germanic.

    People that to me look typically Germanic.

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    I have also seen your pic and you look Germanic.

    Lots of people on Skadi object to it. Probably the majority does.
    Maybe so. Nobody even mentioned it in this thread before me.

    I've never even seen any French people in Scandinavia.
    I have run into many examples actually. This first was a doctor who was going to marry a Swedish woman in one of the 3 big cities. Then I saw exchange students in a smaller city in the middle of the country. I even met a (very good looking) girl who was going to move to France to be with a guy who was from there. You can guess I was not very nice to her for the rest of the conversation.

    But I recall when I was in France, that all a lot of guys talked about "Scandinavian, blonde women" when I said I was from Norway. Kind of off-putting to hear one's women fetishized like that.
    Not surprised by that in the least. I have run into all sorts of foreigners/exchange students that wanted a Swedish girlfriend. Mostly South Europeans but also some North American.

    Incidentally, I once LARPed as a Swede (I'm a paper Swede) in Ireland and all the guy could go on about was how pretty the fjords and the girls were in Norway. This was an old married dude, so I doubt he has any intentions of being with a Scandinavian woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    I don't see why it would be more "traitorous" towards Germanic preservation for a Germanic man to marry, say, a Norman woman rather than an English or Scottish woman.
    Thor, you know I like you but are you getting demented or something?

    The Scots might be a debatable case since "only" Lowlands Scots are primarily or at least to a large degree, Germanic in ancestry and culture. Highlanders are a different story. But there are actually very few people living in the Highlands and even less people of majorly recent Celtic descent, who were mostly displaced to the various colonies during the Highland clearances and directly after.

    But to compare an area were a few Vikings once defiled the daughters of French peasants, to a country, where there was a massive wave of Anglo-Saxon immigration and nothing but Germanic culture is attested for more than a thousand years, is just absurd.

    I don't know for how often I have to explain that those "French" that are in any noticeable way Germanic in ancestry (and used to be in culture) are those bordering current Germanic nations. Namely French Flanders (perhaps parts of the Pas-de-Calais), the Elsaß and parts of Lothringen. Unsurprisingly, these regions spoke Germanic languages until quite recently.
    Apart from that there are no culturally non-Germanic populations that are primarily Germanic in ancestry anywhere in Europe.

    The Norman nobility of old, who were likely still of primarily Germanic descent, were unruly and roamed around in the Mediterranean Sea and the Levant. After the initial coming to Normandy and the initial division of the estates, few of the later sons of the nobility appear to have settled in Normandy itself. Even the Norse language died out very fast there, after a mere few decades. A large part of the nobility resettled to England after 1066.
    Perhaps France generally was somewhat more Germanic in the past. But then it was, again, primarily the nobility, which was however repeatedly almost wiped out during history. At Crecy, at Poitiers, at Azincourt and in a few dozen other battles of the Hundred Years' War and finally in 1789.

    If Normans and/or Bretons happen to appear genetically somewhat closer on a PCA/"genetic map" it's because of shared ancestry from the late Neolithic or the Bronze Age (so at the minimum 3.000 years ago) from both local Celts and Celtic Britons fleeing the Anglo-Saxons.
    But that doesn't have anything to do with direct Germanic ancestry at all. Of course culturally, which is somehow always forgotten in these discussions, there's nothing particularly Germanic about them either.

    This is what genetic testing(formal tests, not a simple PCA) shows, this is what linguistics and toponymy shows and this is what a cursory look at history shows.

    Mixing with the French is actually threefold treason: Genetically, culturally and because they have been the bane of continental Germanics and the English for a thousand years.


    About Varg: I wouldn't take him as an authority on anything except for burning churches and stabbing people. At least he moved to France, though and didn't bring his Frenchwoman to Scandinavia. Guess at least that speaks for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenschlag View Post
    Didn't he marry a French woman? If so, should he not be considered a traitor to Germanic preservation?
    This is the woman we are talking about:



    Varg referred to her as "Frankish" here back when he came to Skadi. The French are a mixed bunch, with Germanic, Celtic, and Med elements, but the more north you go, the more Germanic elements predominate over med ones. We've made exceptions for "Normans" here, though I think any French person is suspect, no matter what ancient appellation you want to give them. Surely there are no "pure" Franks out there anymore. The language and culture is taken mostly from Rome, so, even if they are genetically largely Germanic, any given Frenchman is likely to have a worldview which is somewhat different from ours. That makes them more problematic than English people with some Celtic ancestry. They have to be judged on an individual basis, and most will not pass muster, nor will they want to, such is the chauvinism that persists between French and Germans even today. Few Frenchies consider themselves Germanic, even the ones in the northeast who largely are, unless they are German speakers from Elsass-Lotharingen. We have had someone here from Elsass, and he fit in quite well.

    Is Marie Cachet Germanic? It's probably part of her make-up, but on looks alone, she's not too far afield. She's not one of those swarthy "Frenchies" who is really Spanish or Italian.

    By the way, she's certainly more acceptable than this rat-faced THING the Swedes elected to be their king during the Napoleonic wars:



    "House of Bernadotte." Really? This is who would be expected to look after the Swedish nation? The idea of inviting a foreigner, especially one so alien, to reign in one's own land is repugnant in the extreme. Better to have a hero of one's own people.

    But I digress...

    To digress further, Nicole Kidman is actually mostly of English ancestry. According to this site, her ancestry is roughly 11/16 English, 3/16 Irish, and 1/8 Scottish.

    And, as long as we are criticizing Germanic men for their choice of mates, and you mentioned him,
    Nikolaj-Coster-Waldau married A FREAKING ESKIMO. Now that's a true waste.
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    I don't think her looks are that relevant. I've seen Spaniards and Sicilians who could "pass" as Germanic but Germanic is not defined by looks. There are native Germanics who could pass as Spaniard, Italian, etc. as well, while blondism is also high among Finns, Slavs... IF she is a natural blonde in the first place, that is. I've seen some photos of her with dark roots, which might indicate she dyes or bleaches her hair:



    Some other photos I found of her:





    I wouldn't think she was out of place in France, especially with her natural hair color. Somewhat reminds me of this French actress:



    She's certainly not Hallstatt IMO. There is an UP or Alpine element given the roundedness of her face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    Here's something that pretty much got some folks's panties in a twist:



    ^ Looks like a Tweet by Survive the Jive, he & Thulean seem to be debating stuff all the time.
    Doesn't surprise me he holds such views on matriarchy considering his wife's influence. Some people say all those theories about Neanderthals, etc. came from her. Also he took her name in marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenschlag View Post
    Maybe so. Nobody even mentioned it in this thread before me.
    There are other threads about it, look at this one: https://forums.skadi.net/threads/132...ur-Controversy

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    IF she is a natural blonde in the first place, that is. I've seen some photos of her with dark roots, which might indicate she dyes or bleaches her hair:

    That's clearly dyed hair, her roots are too dark compared to her ends. Not even dirty blond hair looks like that. Also two of his kids are brown haired. The long haired one in that photo you posted and I've seen one of a son of his whose hair darkened. Probably some of the other kids' hair will darken as they age, which is actually a normal process. And not that there's anything wrong with brown hair, it just shows the hypocrisy in his blondicist superiority theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    This is the woman we are talking about:




    Is Marie Cachet Germanic? It's probably part of her make-up, but on looks alone, she's not too far afield.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM21ZomhbVk

    I agree that this girl is predominantly Nordic. However, that does not make her Germanic. She looks like she could just as easily descend from Celts or previous populations in the region. She looks like Marine Le Pen, for example, rather than like any Germanic woman I can think of. Racially Nordic + Dinaric/Alpine. So I don't know if it's justified to call her Frankish.

    So I guess the issue is: is there are subracial component to being Germanic? Should a Nordic Frenchman or Spaniard be considered as Germanic as a Mediterranean Frenchman or Spaniard? And what about those Spaniards etc that belong to types that are more likely of Germanic origin (for example Hallstatt Nordic vs "Exotic" Nordic)?

    Note that I am not attacking Varg. I simply wanted to produce that debate.

    even if they are genetically largely Germanic, any given Frenchman is likely to have a worldview which is somewhat different from ours. That makes them more problematic than English people with some Celtic ancestry.
    Very few of the French are genetically predominantly Germanic. I doubt even most of the English are genetically predominantly Germanic.

    She's not one of those swarthy "Frenchies" who is really Spanish or Italian.
    Are you suggesting that Mediterranean Frenchmen are actually not French? Who are the true French then?


    By the way, she's certainly more acceptable than this rat-faced THING the Swedes elected to be their king during the Napoleonic wars:



    "House of Bernadotte." Really? This is who would be expected to look after the Swedish nation? The idea of inviting a foreigner, especially one so alien, to reign in one's own land is repugnant in the extreme. Better to have a hero of one's own people.


    I agree, blame them. What do I have to do with that decision? I don't feel any loyalty to them.

    But I digress...

    To digress further, Nicole Kidman is actually mostly of English ancestry. According to this site, her ancestry is roughly 11/16 English, 3/16 Irish, and 1/8 Scottish.

    That's alright. She still does not look like she comes from any of the original Germanic countries, any more than many Irish people do. The British peoples (Irish, Scottish. English) share many genes, which are mostly not of Germanic origin. For every Germanic looking Englishman, ou can probably find 2 that fit more in Ireland.


    And, as long as we are criticizing Germanic men for their choice of mates, and you mentioned him,
    Nikolaj-Coster-Waldau married A FREAKING ESKIMO. Now that's a true waste.
    She's probably mixed with Danish, but whatever, he is not there as a life example. Only because of his physical appearance. We also don't know if he had the choice to marry a Danish woman.

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    Uhm, my view on Varg is ambivalent. He has some pros and not less cons, so to say. And I'm into Black Metal but not into Varg. So it's possible to listen to BM as a woman and not drool over Varg. On the other hand I like at least three of the old Burzum albums. One must accept that Burzum the solo project is Burzum the solo project and Varg Vikernes is Vark Vikernes. Not necessarily congruent.

    I follow him on Twitter because he doesn't create videos anymore after he has been banned from YT and it's never boring. He seems to dislike Bitchute and now argues that 'creating videos' is lame and a waste of time, just untrve. That's the stuff that bothers me the most about Varg: He changes his opinions, and with the godlike-complex he has, he thinks that he owns the ultimate truth and just the ultimate truth. No one else. Varg said that this or that is cool 10 years ago? Whatever, it's uncool now because Varg says so! I assume he considers himself as the arch-oracle of the Nordic world. Rule 1: 'Varg is right'. Rule 2:' If Varg is wrong, Rule 1 comes into effect.' he has lots of blind followers. I'm certain, if Varg would say 'Kill yourself to cleanse the world from human waste', some would cut themselves to death in the wake of a minute. He's some strange form of 21th century Charles Manson.

    What I like about him, though, is that he calls out all these 'libtard-judäachristian-cuck-conservatives' as the idiots they are. 'Survive the Jive', 'The Golden One', etc. etc.: He's not afraid to call a spade a spade, one must grant him that. And the way he lives with his family is consequential. Sure, one needs lots of money to buy all of this before living an autonomous life, but honor to those wo deserve it. And achieve it.
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