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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    And your "dinard" race type is just a European mixed with a Turk).
    Then you would consider many ethnic British Islanders and other Celts as being mixed with Turks? I myself have dinarid influence, but have blonde hair and blue eyes; would I be of Jarl's kin or not? I should add that the dinarid strain comes from my noble ancestors.

    I'm not trying to be argumentative, by the way; I'm curious about your point of view on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    What has that got to do with my fair French wife? Everybody we meet in Norway thinks she is Norwegian, by the way, because she "looks Norwegian" -- and of course our children look "Norwegian" too.
    Mr. Vikernes,

    First of all welcome to our beautiful forum. Hopefully you will enjoy your stay. I also hope you enjoy life with your family after all those years in prison.

    However I have to ask on what basis would you consider someone Norwegian? To make it concrete. When would you consider you wife no longer French, but Norwegian? Since you state people already think your wife is Norwegian based on her looks?
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    "Norwegian" and "Swedish" includes Sami too for example, so whether the average person on the street think you are "Norwegian" doesn't mean anything, since some of them also think Sami are Norwegian. People today think alot within nation-states, not tribe or ancestry, which isn't too good. Therefore it would be better to marry someone who isn't from the Norwegian nation-state, but genetically close to the Germanics there, instead of marrying someone from within it, who isn't Germanic (f.ex. Sami), if you are a preservationist. Of course if they moved to Norway they should assimilate.

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    To Méldmir

    "Norwegian" and "Swedish" does not include "Sami" anymore than "German" includes "Turks".

    Both "Turks" and "Sami" are Asian invaders. The former arrived in Turkey in the middle ages, the latter in a part of Scandinavia around 2.500 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    "Norwegian" and "Swedish" does not include "Sami" anymore than "German" includes "Turks".

    Both "Turks" and "Sami" are Asian invaders. The former arrived in Turkey in the middle ages, the latter in a part of Scandinavia around 2.500 years ago.
    I believe areas settled by Sami (northern Scandinavia) were not under any Germanic control, thus no-mans land. I may be wrong on this but I don't think there were any conflicts. And this area, known as Sapmi, is today incorporated in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. Personally I think the Sami can have their own nation up there somewhere. But the modern boarders of Sapmi seem greatly exaggarated.

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    I don't consider anyone "Norwegian" other than those with a Norwegian passport. See my other (earlier) posts (in the same thread) for more on this.

    The name Dinarid stems from the Dinarid Alps in the Balkans, and is a name given for a type of "semi-Whites" from that area. They are recognized especially by their "flat" back heads, and they inherited this trait from the Turks -- because they are themselves a mix between Turks and Slavs/Illyrians.

    I have no idea why you, Grey, think the Celts and other British islanders have Dinarid traits (I trust that is what you meant?), they certainly don't as far as I know, and judging from your photo you don't either. Thankfully, I may add.

    The sub-race categories such as "Dinarid" are, with all due respect, a load of crap. If some Celts and British islanders have traits similar to the "Dinarid" mongrels that does not make them "Dinarid", and to place them in a group with these Balkan mongrels would be an insult to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    I don't consider anyone "Norwegian" other than those with a Norwegian passport. See my other (earlier) posts (in the same thread) for more on this.

    The name Dinarid stems from the Dinarid Alps in the Balkans, and is a name given for a type of "semi-Whites" from that area. They are recognized especially by their "flat" back heads, and they inherited this trait from the Turks -- because they are themselves a mix between Turks and Slavs/Illyrians.

    I have no idea why you, Grey, think the Celts and other British islanders have Dinarid traits (I trust that is what you meant?), they certainly don't as far as I know, and judging from your photo you don't either. Thankfully, I may add.

    The sub-race categories such as "Dinarid" are, with all due respect, a load of crap. If some Celts and British islanders have traits similar to the "Dinarid" mongrels that does not make them "Dinarid", and to place them in a group with these Balkan mongrels would be an insult to them.
    The Keltic-Nordid type is used to refer to Dinaricised Nordids, though, and it is common within the regions I mentioned supposedly due to input from Bell-Beaker invaders. I've heard before the idea that this dinaricisation process isn't truly an indicator of ancestry from those peoples. I find the whole issue a bit confusing though, and my own dinaricisation is a matter of debate, so perhaps my points are moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes View Post
    What I said was that originally all Slavs had blonde hair and blue eyes.
    Source?

    Yes, they are often dark today, but what else do you expect from an area that had its population raped by Turks for more than 400 years?
    "Turks" is a highly variable term, you'd be surprised at the amount of blondes amongst some Turkic folks, notably Chuvash.

    (And your "dinard" race type is just a European mixed with a Turk).
    Dinarisation is likely a process as well, rather than a subracial type. A good example of this would be the "Keltic-Nordid" type which is understood to have high degrees of a Bell-Beaker-Dinarid strain, at least in its insular type. Whilst insular Keltic-Nordids are frequently dark-haired, Franconian Keltic-Nordids are frequently light-haired actually.

    Neither would have any credibly source for supposed "Turkic rape", there are no credible historical pointers which suggest Turkish influence in Franconia, let alone England or Scotland, prior to about 1960.

    PS: It's not "my" Dinarid race type, mine is soundly Borreby, strangely the racial type that Leif Erikson is supposed to have had if we are to judge by statues to his honour.

    Further; Poland is one of the blondest countries on Earth. Belarus ("White Rus") is called Belarus because of the (possibly former) concentration of blondes in that area.
    Belarus was a "Baltic" nation until approx. 1600, and ceased to be that by continuous Russification including Russian migration. With the Baltic (Lithuania, Latvia) and Balto-Fennic (Estonia, Finland) nations being the four blondest nations of Europe, does it surprise you, really?

    Language? Well, 40% of all English words are originally French words, and much of the remaining 60% is Celtic, Latin and from other languages than Anglo-Saxon
    At least get your research correct. It is generally 70% of loanwords, indeed mostly French and Latin, which are in English. Celtic words are curiously rare (shamrock, hooligan, etc.), and the bulk of words used is still inherited words. The extent of lexicon and its daily use are two different pair of shoes. The words that are used most by the common folk are surprisingly often of Germanic origin.

    so should we shun English brides as well then? Your logic is so flawed you should be ashamed of yourself. And you care about matters that are so utterly meaningless I don't know what to say.
    Look at what I said earlier with language being a quasi-essential pointer alone. The Normans in Northern France are Germanic --- architecture and local custom would herald this --- but speak a Romance tongue; many German-descended in Argentina or even Mexico speak a Romance tongue and aren't Romance - of course.

    Still, you yet have to provide a credible source that the French are at large of Germanic lineage, or even at large of "Nordish" racial background (as appears more important to you). That your wife as supposedly of nobility background likely has more Germanic heritage is what I'll accept for now, which is why I will relativise my "folk traitor" point to the stage of uncertainty or intermediate level, but beyond this you're generalising unfairly: We'd have to count the Tunisians as Germanics then just because the Vandals went there.

    And you better think twice before you call someone like me a "Folk traitor" again.
    What do I have to fear from you, seriously? I don't care if it's "someone like you" I call a Folk Traitor. I do not judge by names, I judge by actions and motivations. This counts doubly for a man whose music and writings I sincerely grew up respecting, both of which were admittedly an important source in those formative years. This doesn't lift "someone like you" above criticism. I call a Folk Traitor whomever I so please, sorry.

    Don't bother replying to this. Grow older and wiser before you do, kid, and have a humble request for my forgiveness for your stupid utterances ready before you do.
    I will reply to what I please, I believe this is my right as a free Germanic. Other than this, I will fairly state that I would much rather debate with you subjects you actually have a fair grasp of, such as Music or Heathendom, but I suppose Wyrd would have it that I'd much earlier stumble across you taking your reasoning from dubious "scientist" theoristy such as Arthur Kemp.

    Shame, really, as I feel that these topics which are probably much dearer to both of us than exchanging this back-and-forth circular arguing we are engaging in here, would have led to mutual exchange of insights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    "Turks" is a highly variable term, you'd be surprised at the amount of blondes amongst some Turkic folks, notably Chuvash.
    Turks have race-mixed with Euro-Caucasoids in the past so that is unsurprising, just to mention also that Turks are Sub-Caucasoids (mongrelized caucasoids) which means that at one point in time their population was Euro-Caucasoid (pure caucasoids). Knowing this, finding some sort of minimal overflow of Euro-Caucasoid features amongst such mongrelized population added with the fact that they mixed with Euro-Caucasoid females in the past, is not all too surprising.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Dinarisation is likely a process as well, rather than a subracial type. A good example of this would be the "Keltic-Nordid" type which is understood to have high degrees of a Bell-Beaker-Dinarid strain, at least in its insular type. Whilst insular Keltic-Nordids are frequently dark-haired, Franconian Keltic-Nordids are frequently light-haired actually.
    There seem to be a wrong sort of amalgame between pseudo-dinaroid look who is always very minimal and pure Dinarid types. I don't like to use the term Dinarid when talking about Euro-Caucasoids in general, I try to use terms like Sub-Nordic or Noric when talking about Euro-Caucasoid Nordoid Peripheric types. But if one look at it, pure Dinarids almost always seem to be types present in the Sub-Caucasoid populations, such as the Jews, Kavkazians, Hither Asiatics et alii...

    Adrian Brody (who is a jew) is a textbook Dinarid and when I look at him, I don't see a Euro-Caucasoid, but a Sub-Caucasoid with grotesque and revolting extra-european mongrel features:




    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Neither would have any credibly source for supposed "Turkic rape", there are no credible historical pointers which suggest Turkish influence in Franconia, let alone England or Scotland, prior to about 1960.
    Yet you would be hard-pressed to find any text-book Dinarids of wholly Euro-Caucasoid descent in any of the country that did not have a history of invasions by Sub-Caucasoids, such as Italy, Greece, Iberia, Balkans et alii...

    This is just like the case with the Baltoids, an extension of the Lappoid mutation unto the Euro-Caucasoid ethnos, while Dinarid is an extension of the Hither-Asiatic mutation unto the Euro-Caucasoid ethnos.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Belarus was a "Baltic" nation until approx. 1600, and ceased to be that by continuous Russification including Russian migration. With the Baltic (Lithuania, Latvia) and Balto-Fennic (Estonia, Finland) nations being the four blondest nations of Europe, does it surprise you, really?
    Not at all, I have read how the blondist populations did not mind spreading their genes around their conquesting lands.

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    After reading some of his articles on his website and I doubt this is really him. He mentions several times not to trust any other website with information regarding him.

    If this is you, Varg, my apologies. I've only followed what you've written and published on your website.

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