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    Lightbulb Swiss Freedom vs. US and EU Force

    by Ron Holland


    The European Union and the United States should consider the successful freedom model of Swiss confederation government rather than the failed top down examples of other nations and empires. Few would question that Switzerland is the most secure, stable, and freedom-oriented nation in the world but it is time to ask what is so unique about the Swiss.

    The answer is there is nothing particularly different about the nation or its people. They like to work hard, play hard and provide a good life for their families. So do the citizens of most other nations when given the opportunity.

    They prefer peace and diplomacy to war and aggression but will fight to defend their independence and liberties. They prefer a stable currency, low taxes, financial privacy, economic prosperity and a government that represents and defends the people. Again, these are not unusual wants but few nations and governments provide an opportunity for these basic human needs and rights to flourish.

    So why is Switzerland different? Here are some examples of why the Swiss government model works and the European Union and American Union have failed to deliver on their big-government utopian promises.

    National Expansion By Voluntary Association vs Force –
    The term "Willensnation" is a Swiss concept of national growth and expansion by attraction through the voluntary association of neighboring principalities, cities, and individuals. This makes Switzerland a nation created by acts of free will rather than force. Growth by attraction of those willing to be part of the Helvetian Confederation rather than war and invasion have served the Swiss well over the last few hundred years of peace and prosperity.

    How totally different from the American model of "manifest destiny" and military aggression which is how most of the national expansion of the United States took place. The growth of the Union was followed again by force with the outright invasion of the Southern states that decided to leave by Lincoln’s armies during the War Between the States.

    The history of Europe has been far worse than the US both historically and now with the EU. Today the citizens in most European nations were never allowed the opportunity to vote on throwing away their national sovereignty and coming under EU rule. Whether these nations can voluntarily withdraw is still an open question.

    Tax Competition vs Forced Tax Harmonization –
    In Switzerland the vast majority of taxes are collected at the canton (state) level while the federal income tax level is quite small and comparable to state tax rates in the United States. This allows different cantons and even localities in individual cantons to dramatically compete for residents, corporations, businesses and even retirees.

    The tax difference can range over 20% of income from high-tax cantons like Zurich and Geneva to low-tax jurisdictions like Zug. Tax competition keeps the cantonal governments lean and productive and the politicians honest. Retirees from outside Switzerland can even create a type of low-bid competition for a set amount or percentage tax rate between cantons. This is the ultimate in tax competition.

    In the US, there is little reason to move or locate businesses in specific states because the majority of the parasitic tax burden is universal at the federal level. The tax difference between the few states with no income tax and the others is minimal and with most states and cities on the verge of bankruptcy like the federal government, taxes will be rising everywhere.

    It is the same with the failing European Union. The EU preference is a harmonized tax rate that guarantees a steady supply of revenue to governments and politicians and the ultimate goal is to end low-tax jurisdictions so there will be no tax competition. For example the EU requires a VAT tax of at least 15% in each country whether the nation or people want or need this burden on top of already crushing income tax rates.

    Competing Currencies vs Currency Monopoly –
    In Switzerland, most retailers, hotels and restaurants will gladly price your purchase in Swiss francs or the Euro depending on your preference. Change is given in Swiss francs but the freedom to choose your preferred currency is usually available. Recently, in the Zurich train station, Burger King was even accepting dollars on a one to one basis with the Swiss franc.

    Contrast Swiss currency competition to the silence from US political establishment when Ron Paul called for currency competition here in the US. Private entities like the Liberty Dollar people are threatened and imprisoned just for attempting to offer a gold and silver alternative to the Federal Reserve’s fiat paper dollars which have an intrinsic value of absolute zero.

    Here the European Union nations do have a possible alternative to the Euro. Each nation should again issue their own currency and allow it to circulate with the Euro with each national central bank or treasury pegging the national currency in a range relative to the Euro just like the Swiss central bank does.

    While much has been written about how the EU is threatened by the government debts and questionable accounting methods used by nations including Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain, why should the concern stop here? Today’s Greece, could be tomorrow’s UK, France and even the United States. Few of the western democracies have a monopoly on corrupt politicians or out-of-control national debts.

    Ultimate Citizen Control vs Political Establishment –
    In Switzerland, the voters ultimately rule over the politicians and political elites due to the political rights of referendum and initiative. Is the majority always right, of course not as Thomas Jefferson warned about the dangers of democracy and mob rule but at least they aren’t always wrong like politicians controlled by special interests. Switzerland has a very weak "confederation model" central government with most of the programs, regulations and taxes handled at the local level. This way programs benefit the people rather than powerful federal politicians and interests like in most other nations.

    Switzerland has a neutral non-interventionist foreign policy because this is the will of the people. This is why the Swiss waited 50 years to join the United Nations even though most of the UN organization is based in Geneva.

    For similar reasons, this is why the Swiss have a stable currency, why individuals can buy stock in their central bank, why they have financial privacy and a low crime rate. The Swiss people demand this from their government or else the people will act. They can nullify a law or legislation by referendum or pass legislation through the right to actually create legislation and laws by-passing parliament with the right of initiative.

    Again, this is a direct contrast to the United States where everything runs downhill from the federal government to the states, local jurisdictions and ultimate the people sort of like a political sewer system. Our representative democracy does not allow direct citizen control or oversight at the federal level and this is why the will of the people is usually ignored other than with false rhetoric at election time.

    The EU should act as a decentralized confederation of sovereign states similar to the Swiss Confederation as did America’s first government, the Articles of Confederation if it wants to prosper and benefit the nations of Europe. Each nation should be given the opportunity to vote on membership, to have the option of maintaining their own currency and uniqueness of their nation.

    Time To Look At A Successful Political Model –
    Both America and the upstart European Union would do well to look at the Swiss model of limited government over state jurisdictions rather than the failed dictatorial and fascist models which are all too prevalent in history. Freedom, liberty and independence have survived to a remarkable degree in Switzerland for hundreds of years despite the hatred and fear both near and far from nations and politicians more interested in looting their citizens than in promoting liberty and limited, efficient government.

    We are in the death throes of the grand experiment of top down, special-interest-controlled government and fake prosperity based on unlimited debt. The time is up for Brussels, sell-out national politicians and Washington. I hope the political elites and international financial interests who screwed the people of the world and future generations all for short-term profits and political gains should be held accountable.

    How About Freedom? –
    Finally, it is time for the nations and peoples of the world whether occupied by corrupt political elites or foreign troops to demand what the Swiss have had for centuries. A government of their own, controlled by the citizens that works to benefit the nation instead of outside interests. I truly believe unique Switzerland has the government model which holds the key to freedom, prosperity and independence for many nations in the world today.

    Now is the time to work, build and restore a limited government which promotes freedom and free-markets rather than force in governing and solving problems. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers would do no less and we can do no more.


    Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/holland/holland14.1.html

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    National Expansion By Voluntary Association vs Force - The term "Willensnation" is a Swiss concept of national growth and expansion by attraction through the voluntary association of neighboring principalities, cities, and individuals.

    This makes Switzerland a nation created by acts of free will rather than force.
    Hilarious. Switzerland expanded through military victory against the powers that were previously in possession of their "voluntary associates". After its decline as a military force, Switzerland survived as an independent and multi-ethnic state because of the violent rivalry between the nations surrounding it, similarly to Luxemburg.

    The growth of the Union was followed again by force with the outright invasion of the Southern states that decided to leave by Lincoln’s armies during the War Between the States.
    Sonderbundskrieg?

    The history of Europe has been far worse than the US both historically and now with the EU.
    Clearly, the most important goal for any nation is to have their history judged as better than others in the eyes of the international public. Then again, the histories of "Europe" and the United States are only tangentially relevant to the history of my people.

    The EU should act as a decentralized confederation of sovereign states similar to the Swiss Confederation as did America’s first government, the Articles of Confederation if it wants to prosper and benefit the nations of Europe.
    Ah, yes. Germany should shatter into 300 states in order to preclude any possibility of overturning a "decentralised" international order. I wonder why the article makes no mention of our grand experiment in the Holy German Reich and the marvelous wonders that the undoing of its central authority inflicted on the German people, with a little help from well-organised and centralised enemies such as France. This libertarian day-dreamer nonsense would be amusing if it did not endanger our national survival.

    How About Freedom?
    How about no?

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    Honestly, this system now has proven long enough not to work at all. Top-down elitists governments have destroyed our nations, our people, and it will be the nail in the coffin of each and every single Germanic left.

    During the oh-so "Holy Roman Empire of German Nation" time there have been countless inner battles, for the freedom of the people, being oppressed and robbed and thrown on the garbage by oh-so "holy" dictators. It was not a time of peace, far from it, it kept the battles going on and on, because the elitists wanted their 15 minutes of shame, introducing the corrupt Roman states system into a people that did well as a selfgovernd tribes society.

    We dont have any use for more corrupt and selfish elitists, serving their own interests first and then nothing else. They never serve the interests of the people, they cannot, because the moment they get their elitist position, they have ceased to be one of the people. Switzerland doesnt know that problem, because they control the politicians (=servants of the nation/people, not vice versa) and keep them down to earth.
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    It is a common liberaltarian delusion to think that we can simply "evolve beyond" constants in nature and replace them with modernist buzz words such as "freedom" or "the information age". The wonderland of personal autonomy is a death trap for those who participate. The liberal world order will come to naught once the quality of its fuel has sufficiently degraded.

    The question that remains is whether my people will survive it and whose blood will flow. I do not dismiss the possibility that we are phased out peacefully, which will be celebrated as a great success by our libertarian friends, because the precious individual is not actively harmed in our national death.

    Does anyone think that the US will outlast China by becoming more like Switzerland? Will the German nation gain independence and survive the resettlement of her home soil by decentralising the administration? How is Switzerland going to assert itself against its neighbours, who control an increasing share of its political life? By becoming more like Liechtenstein?

    The Age of Power has risen and it will not set until the Sun fizzles out. The choice is to accept it and thrive by understanding the world as it is present to us.

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    I live in a nation were the "buzz word" freedom has been around for more than 200 years. We have not fallen yet, but we are going through some rough times. I don't think the founders of this great land were fighting for a word but a concept that has turned into reality.

    Without a doubt we are still have freedom, if you don't think so look in my gun safe. If we did not the elitist would not be trying to take away what is left of it.

    What is troubling is the fact that the elitist are trying to take away my "buzz word". Totalitarian rule or big government will never work, that is what has been proven. You can only suppress the will of the people to be free for so long until they revolt and try something else until they have freedom.

    Germanic people are not mindless and if given the chance will prove themselves in their own way.

    As far as the US becoming like Switzerland, no thanks. The US needs to go back to what the patriots of 1776 made it to be.
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    Switzerland's situation is unique, and what Hauke Haien referred to as the "quality of its fuel" is one big reason why. It has some other things going for it as well which have kept it a good place to live, which have nothing to do with democracy.

    1) It is situated in the mountains, a very difficult area for an agressor to conquer, especially because

    2) Everyone is armed. Every Swiss man owns an assault rifle with the blessings of the state, and is trained how to use it.

    3) Finally, Switzerland has historically been a world banking center, with high secrecy laws, so for a number of reasons, all parties benefit from Swiss neutrality.

    There are really no platitudes to fall back upon when we talk about forms of government, because all situations are unique. The "totalitarian" Second Reich was a pretty good place to live because of the decency of its ruling classes. When those who rule realize that they are happiest when EVERYONE is happiest, things go pretty well. Even in the smallest of "democratic" entities, though, this can be abused. Mayors often think they can do anything they want once in office, even when they are supposedly popularly elected. Corruption and tyranny occur when the rulers feel no connection to the ruled. This is why the one governing principle which must always be adhered to without fail is that the state must be racially and culturally homogeneous. THAT is the formula for success, not whether you have a president or a king or elected representatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    I live in a nation were the "buzz word" freedom has been around for more than 200 years.
    The US is not a nation, it is an agglomeration of individuals without a common purpose other than maintaining and spreading liberal-individualism. At first, the contestants were mainly Northern Europeans, then everyone became successively eligible. American racism is tantamount to an appraisal on the cattle market before the slaughter.

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    We have not fallen yet, but we are going through some rough times.
    Freedomism is a parasitic idea, but it can spread faster than it destroys the people who believe in it. It is imaginable that the US will survive without our people, even after all Germanic nations in the world have been consumed by it.

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    Germanic people are not mindless and if given the chance will prove themselves in their own way.
    No amount of personal autonomy, low or high, can change innate potential. Spreading the rights of the nobility to the common people does not turn them into nobles, it only serves to effect a loss of leadership and direction to the detriment of the whole, but to the joy and benefit of those who only exist to accumulate money without biological significance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Hilarious. Switzerland expanded through military victory against the powers that were previously in possession of their "voluntary associates".
    Hehe, indeed, e.g. Stockach still celebrates its victory over the Swiss aggressors from that time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    The US is not a nation, it is an agglomeration of individuals without a common purpose other than maintaining and spreading liberal-individualism.
    The same thing is happening in Germany, which is also a world leader, therefore many people across the globe follow its examples every bit as much as they do with America.
    You still seem to be having trouble sharing the blame.
    Please explain how you think Germany is any more of a nation than mine.

    American racism is tantamount to an appraisal on the cattle market before the slaughter.
    And what is German racism?

    Freedomism is a parasitic idea, but it can spread faster than it destroys the people who believe in it.
    Do you mean freedomism as a fad?
    There are so many ways in which to define this term.
    How would you describe the freedom you enjoy to slander America on this forum?

    It is imaginable that the US will survive without our people, even after all Germanic nations in the world have been consumed by it.
    Your country is just as guilty of spreading the liberal disease as mine, but you still feel compelled to make these immature personal attacks on America.
    I believe you are targeting the Americans here at Skadi out of some sense of personal satisfaction that it gives you.
    For the thousandth time I ask you: Why is it so difficult for you to say that all roads lead to israel?
    Your country grovels before the jew and influences other nations to do so every bit as much as mine.

    ...but to the joy and benefit of those who only exist to accumulate money without biological significance.
    How is it any different in Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    The same thing is happening in Germany, which is also a world leader, therefore many people across the globe follow its examples every bit as much as they do with America.
    The Federal Republic is part of the West and participates in its agenda, because it has been established for that purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Please explain how you think Germany is any more of a nation
    Germany is by definition the German nation and all other usages of the word, geographic and political, are derivatives. The German Reich and the Federal Republic of Germany are not Germany and the latter has long since dropped the pretense of being a German nation state.

    The United States is synonymous with its liberal constitution and those who are citizens under its rule are part of the American people. A preexisting American nation is not assumed.

    Strictly speaking, it is not a question of one being more of a nation than the other, the concepts are just fully incompatible, which means that one cannot exist in the presence of the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    And what is German racism?
    The furtherance of the German nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Do you mean freedomism as a fad?
    Unfortunately not. It has long been smouldering as an idea and now that the firestorm is consuming the city, there is no telling what will be left when we have finally extinguished it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    I believe you are targeting the Americans here at Skadi out of some sense of personal satisfaction that it gives you.
    This kind of recursive thinking gives me headaches. When I discuss political theory, I obviously intend for it to apply to the external world, not to an online role-playing game that might as well take place in my own mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Why is it so difficult for you to say that all roads lead to israel?
    Many roads lead to the United States, which is a logical consequence of the position of power the US occupies in the world, just like Rome did in times past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    How is it any different in Germany?
    It is not and it cannot be until we have recaptured our destiny.

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