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    Arrow No Hard Evidence for 99% of Holocaust Expert Admits

    This comes a bit as a surprise. Leading "Holocaust Expert" Robert Jan van Pelt admits that there is actually no hard evidence for most of the Holocaust. But "it has become part of our inherited knowledge".


    A case for letting nature take back Auschwitz

    This leading Holocaust scholar argues that there would be dignity in death camp's neglect


    The recent theft and retrieval of the infamous "Arbeit Macht Frei" ("Work Sets You Free") sign that marks the gateway into Auschwitz has reignited debate over what should be done with the sombre monument to one of humanity's darkest hours. Last week Poland's culture minister promised the equivalent of $137,000 for improving security at the site where more than one million people died during the Holocaust.

    But Robert Jan Van Pelt, an architectural historian and a leading expert on Auschwitz, says it may be time to consider other strategies for the site, which is split into two camps, Auschwitz and Birkenau. They sprawl over nearly 500 acres. Van Pelt, a professor at the University of Waterloo, suggests the museum consider sealing off the Birkenau death camp, where 95 per cent of the murders took place, and letting nature take over. We asked him to explain.

    Why have you have posited that Birkenau should be closed up and reclaimed by nature?

    There is a present problem of preservation in Auschwitz. The place that is actually well-preserved – that's where the museum is. But the site of Birkenau, a couple kilometres away, where the murders happened, is falling apart. That camp was very hastily constructed. The buildings were built to have a lifespan of two to three years. They were built from recycled bricks. When they ran out of recycled bricks, the SS bought from the German army prefab horse stables. In 1945, when the war came to an end, these horse stables were very valuable because they were kind of instant housing for someone who needed it. So people had the idea that the best thing that they could do was to pick up all of these horse stables – and there's like 500 of them – take them apart, put them on the train and send them to Warsaw. By 1948 all of the brick barracks in Birkenau were already falling apart. Each of the old horse stables had two stoves inside with two brick chimneys that were not taken to Warsaw.

    So you had this very weird landscape – and you still have that – where you get these small, primitive brick chimneys rising three metres out of the ground. They don't have any other bracing and if you have a storm they blow over. But of course the chimneys themselves – altogether there are hundreds of them – create a very powerful symbolic landscape because we associate Birkenau with the chimneys of the crematoria. Those crematoria aren't there anymore, they were blown up by the Germans and one of them was blown up by the prisoners in 1944. So because there are only these ruins of the crematoria and because people expect to see chimneys in some way, that field of small chimneys that are the leftovers of the barracks creates a kind of landscape that people in some way associate with the killing and the burning of the bodies of the victims.

    By allowing nature to take over the site, do we run the risk of allowing humanity to forget what happened and set the stage for future questioning of the Holocaust? Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove... it has become part of our inherited knowledge.

    I don't think that the Holocaust is an exceptional case in that sense. We in the future – remembering the Holocaust – will operate in the same way that we remember most things from the past. We will know about it from literature and eyewitness testimony. . . . We are very successful in remembering the past in that manner. That's how we know that Cesar was killed on the Ides of March. To put the holocaust in some separate category and to demand that it be there – to demand that we have more material evidence – is actually us somehow giving in to the Holocaust deniers by providing some sort of special evidence.

    Why has the site not been closed off already?

    In 1959, a proposal was made to let nature take over the camp. The museum wanted to seal the gates and let everything fall into disrepair. The idea was that this spot represented a place where humanity failed in such a monumental way that we really have no business maintaining it.

    At that time the survivors opposed that proposal. They said `You cannot lock us out of our own experience. We suffered here; we need to be able to return to the site where we suffered.'

    Fifty years later, we are facing the end of the age of the survivors – the age of the witnesses – and I think when the last survivor of the Holocaust has died, when that almost silent passing happens, we as a civilization or as a species should mark this.

    And (what) if no one was going to provide the funds to preserve this site? My response to that challenge is `So what? Maybe it's not so bad if this site is erased.' But if indeed there is a moment when we can surrender this site to nature, we cannot do that before the last survivor dies.

    The chairman of the international Auschwitz council says the decision should be left to those who died at Auschwitz. Do we have any insight – recorded statements from victims before they died – on what they wanted to be done with the site?

    No. So when you call on the victims to some way indicate what happened at the site we can only talk about the survivors. But can survivors really represent those who died? The survivors can do that to a degree, but once they are dead I don't think it's our place to interpret. This is a decision that we have to take as the living. The earth belongs to the living. It is the living that have to make the tough decisions.

    It is fine with me if we the living decide that this site should be preserved and... we are willing to spend the money to maintain the site in a proper way... that somehow leaves the dignity of the place intact. I'm not going to quarrel with that. But that means we as a worldwide society are actually accepting responsibility for the site – and putting resources toward that.


    Source: http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/742965--a-case-for-letting-nature-take-back-auschwitz
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    You know.. I seen a program not to long ago where they where using Ground
    Penetrating Radar at various "Concentration Camps" and there was no evidence of mass burials anywhere.
    What people fail to realize about WW2 is the immense amount of refugees Germany had to deal with.WW2 was the first "Mechanized War" and the German army took large chunks of land in no time at all.What was left behind was a population of defeated individuals.What do you do with them.So some folks just got sick and died.War is hell.

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    As a matter of interest, what exactly is the 1% of hard evidence they do have?

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    They realize that the battle about the holocaust veracity is lost by them. So the jews have to find a way to get out without losing their face.

    what everybody can see from those articles is that jews are liars and abusers.

    Germany is still paying for something they never did. It might be time for Israel to deliver 6 Millionen to Germany as we already paid in advance.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    As a matter of interest, what exactly is the 1% of hard evidence they do have?
    ... To this Robert Jan van Pelt will most likely answer that they've got Zyklon B cans, crematoria buildings and most likely some physical remains of people buried or cremated in the Auschwitz area. They have even some documents recording the removing gold from dead inmates teeth.


    There are only some problem with this "converging evidence" as calls it.
    The Zyklon B was used to save lives by killing lice that can transmit typhus and other diseases. The crematoria were used to hygienically dispose of the corpses of the victims of the diseases. And of course people have died in a camp with several hundred thousand inmates, were cremated and/or buried there.

    What they will not show you is a functioning homicidal gas chamber, reports on people being gassed. Orders to kill new inmates and the like. Yes, while they can show you reports on gold from teeth being removed, they can't show you a single report of a Jew being gassed.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Here we are in 2010, and they are STILL unearthing "Holocaust survivors".

    It seems to me that in the sixty-five years since the end of WWII, more "survivors" have been found than there were "victims"!

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    They keep dragging it out, the "Holohoax" time after time. The problem is enough of the general public are stupid enough to believe their lies, by the time it becomes apparent to the sheeple masses, the jew's hope no-one will care. It will be a case of "ok it was a little lie, but it was about those big, bad German's".

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    Yes, it seems that any Jew over the age of 80 automatically becomes a "Holocaust™ Survivor" but this won't last much longer and they're already moving the goalposts for when they can't produce and more "victims"

    In the meantime, we'll continue to have honest citizens losing 7 years of their freedom on the basis of some ZyKlon B delousing canisters and documents stating that dead peoples’ gold fillings were removed

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    Incidentally, all these grotesque tales about “Death Camps” got me thinking that if you were perverse enough you could say exactly the same about hospitals, couldn’t you? You could use as your “evidence” all the lethal chemicals they have on-site, which are undoubtedly used to exterminate people en masse (if you follow my revisionist line ) and then there’s the presence of crematoria in these places, which reinforces the premeditated nature of the crimes.

    As for removing fillings, well in crematoria they now have provisions to deal with this and teeth are sometimes removed due to mercury being an environmental hazard (I'm not sure about gold) so, again, this could be twisted for propaganda purposes! TBH, I’m no expert in this field but stumbled upon this site, which is quite interesting …

    http://www.wotwaste.com/waste-articl...ings-and-death

    One of the things it mentions is that even with 21st century incinerators it still takes over an hour to cremate just ONE body. Now let me see, 6 million hours = how many years?? Okay, well maybe we could skip this detail (or reduce the numbers) but how did I do with my Holocaust™-inspired tale of genocidal hospitals? Not bad as a knocked-together theory in under 15 minutes was it, and the beauty of it is you can find any number of “Survivors” from these places to back it up

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