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    Man Charged Threatening Obama On Website

    AP) – A Kentucky man has been arrested and charged with posting a poem threatening President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama on a white supremacist website. The Secret Service said Johnny Logan Spencer Jr. of Louisville wrote and posted the poem, titled "The Sniper," on a site called NewSaxon.org.

    A special agent said the poem describes a gunman shooting and killing a "tyrant," later identified as the president. Spencer is scheduled to appear before a judge today for a detention hearing. He's in federal custody charged with making threats against the president and threatening to kill or injure a major candidate for the office of the president.

    Source:http://www.newser.com/story/81371/ma...-web-poem.html
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    Ky. man charged with threatening Obama in Web poem

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    By BRETT BARROUQUERE
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    Friday, February 19, 2010; 4:43 PM

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A Kentucky man has been charged with posting a poem threatening President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama on a white supremacist Web site.

    U.S. Secret Service Special Agent Stephan M. Pazenzia said Johnny Logan Spencer Jr., 27, of Louisville wrote and posted the poem, titled "The Sniper," on a page called NewSaxon.org. The site is described as an "Online Community for Whites by Whites." The poem was posted in August 2007, according to an arrest affidavit.

    U.S. Magistrate Judge Dave Whalin on Friday ordered Spencer released on $25,000 bond, but kept under house arrest at a family member's home. He's charged with making threats against the president and threatening to kill or injure a major candidate for the office of the president.

    The poem describes a gunman shooting and killing a "tyrant" later identified as the president, setting off panic in the wake of the fatal shot being fired.


    "The bullet that he has chambered is one of the purest pride, And the inspiration on the casing reads DIE negro DIE," the poem states.

    Spencer used the online moniker "Pain1488," a reference to a phrase used by white nationalists as well as an homage to Adolf Hitler.

    Assistant U.S. Attorney Phillip Chance told Whalin that, even though investigators linked no weapons to Spencer, the poem doesn't qualify as protected political speech.

    "This is a threat by an individual against an individual simply because of who he is," Chance said. "He is the president and he is black."

    Federal public defender Laura Wyrosdick said no one took action to harm Obama in the two years the poem has been publicly available.

    "We're here today because Mr. Spencer allegedly wrote a poem, a work of art," Wyrosdick said.

    After the hearing, Spencer's cousin, Paula McGill of Louisville, said family members were shocked by Spencer's arrest.

    "I don't think he thought it was going to catch up with him," McGill said. "He's not a harmful guy at all."

    The Secret Service became aware of the poem just after the 2008 election that made Obama the first black president in the country's history. An arrest affidavit says the Secret Service identified Spencer as the author, but never tracked him down and only referenced the writing in a report on the white supremacist National Socialist movement.

    The affidavit does not say why the Secret Service made no effort to arrest Spencer for more than 15 months. The investigation didn't start until a week ago, when an informant faxed a copy of the writings to the FBI, Pazenzia said.

    Pazenzia said Spencer acknowledged writing the poem but gave multiple addresses to investigators, none of which appeared to be his actual residence. Searches of the homes were fruitless, Pazenzia said.

    Spencer is currently on probation from a state drug conviction in Louisville.

    If convicted of the new charges, he could face up to 15 years in prison.

    Source:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902028.html

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    One of the comments from the first link:
    I'd like to see the full text of the poem, but I'm not going to the New Saxon website to read it -- those kinds of worms (electronic and otherwise) I can live without. I do wonder, however, about poetry being classified as an actual crime. Yes, I've read some "criminally bad" poetry, but this raises real First Amendment issues. When poems are well-written, they can "incite" passion, fury, compassion, empathy -- but can they really incite, legally-speaking, assassination? Under such an assumption, a lot of poetry, and popular music lyrics, could be ruled illegal. And what about a novel with a "hidden" message? This is a dangerous road to wander down
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    One of the country's main monitors of hate groups asked Congress Friday to investigate possible racial extremism in the military, after finding U.S. service members participating on a social networking site advertised as being for white people only.

    Researchers from the Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Montgomery, Ala., identified about 40 personal profiles of people who list the military as their occupation on the Web site New Saxon, according to the group's founder, Morris Dees.

    The site, run by the Detroit-based National Socialist Movement, describes itself as an "online community for whites by whites." He said some of the participants are wearing military uniforms in profile photos, although it was not possible to verify whether any of them are actually serving in the armed forces.
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    What a bunch of garbage. They expect us to believe that they don't know the difference between a poem and a threat? What a bunch of bullshit.

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    Does the Secret Service have nothing better to do. This poem was written & posted more then a year before Obama was elected. It doesn't specify Obama, maybe the poet was referring to the fictional Negro president from 24. Seriously, how many films have been made in Hollywood about assassination plots against hypothetical presidents & no Hollywood producer has ever been arrested for threatening the president.

    Negro rappers sing songs about killing cops & Whitey, they don't get arrested for making threats.

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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.- First Amendment to the US Constitution

    I guess this means nothing when you are White in this land of the free and home of the brave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.- First Amendment to the US Constitution

    I guess this means nothing when you are White in this land of the free and home of the brave.
    True, but the First Amendment doesn't protect people from screaming fire in a crowded movie theater when there isn't one.

    That said, I don't believe the "poet" in question will be convicted though, for if he was, the legalistic floodgate that would be opened would, for intensive purposes, cause so much havoc in the courts that you would effectively end artistic expression in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    That said, I don't believe the "poet" in question will be convicted though, for if he was, the legalistic floodgate that would be opened would, for intensive purposes, cause so much havoc in the courts that you would effectively end artistic expression in the US.
    We are living in strange times, 10 years ago the feds would have never even tried to arrest this guy. They are pushing to just to see how far the courts and people will let them go. If he does get convicted it will set precedents for further actions.

    Slowly they try to take our rights away. They know that they can't do it all at once otherwise they would risk open revolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    We are living in strange times, 10 years ago the feds would have never in tried to arrest this guy. They are pushing to just to see how far the courts and people will let them go. If he does get convicted it will set precedents for further actions.

    Slowly they try to take our rights away. They know that they can't do it all at once otherwise they would risk open revolt.
    Right now I am under the impression that what is described in bold face is the only option. Diplomatic approaches have failed for how long now? Too long, I look in my own township and I see no one inspired to do anything, I live in a community of elderly farmers and townsmen who are too concerned with their prostate conditions rather than being concerned about the welfare of their descendants.

    These actions on the part of our government are one step closer to the "Big Brother" behavior that will ruin us all. I am curious what will go next considering we are no longer allowed free speech.

    I am also suspicious of these so called 'militias' I've been hearing about but have never seen in person or seen any evidence of outside the internet.

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    I don't trust some these militias either. Well they seem kind of wacky and misfits who have mail order wives from Russia or the Philippians.

    The average US citizen needs to wake up, protest,vote, and fight back in any means possible. I am under the impression that the leftist/marxist that try this stuff really have no power. They just want people to think they do.

    Protest in large numbers can be very effective. An example would be the civil rights movement. The negroes gathered and went from city to city until the government made concessions to them. Now we are the ones paying for these concessions.

    I don't think they have total control of our country yet, but they are striving for it. If this guy gets convicted it will be used as tool to censor the Internet.

    Barack Hussein Obama and his ilk are paranoid to the extreme. They are paranoid because what they are doing is wrong and they know it. Just as the Clinton administration was wrong and paranoid with Ruby ridge,Waco and the Freemen. If left alone all three of those groups would have done nothing and no one would have ever heard of them.

    Some will say Obama is not Clinton or the president has no real power. Obama has the same staff as Clinton his advisers,aides, and even the secretary of State are from the 90's. These people are few in numbers and are in a very close circle. All of them are from the 60's radical thought movement. They hijacked the DNC in the 60's and 70's because that was the weaker party and was already leaning to the left.

    They are also elitist they think they know better than you or the average citizen. The problem with elitist is that they become upset when they find out people don't love them. They think they know how to run your life better than you do.

    Some will say this poet is a right wing racist and he should have never posted that poem online. The fact that he did not even name Obama is scary. He will be called a thought criminal and they will want to remove the tools of such people.
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    G Baughman wrote,
    Some will say Obama is not Clinton or the president has no real power. Obama has the same staff as Clinton his advisers,aides, and even the secretary of State are from the 90's. These people are few in numbers and are in a very close circle. All of them are from the 60's radical thought movement. They hijacked the DNC in the 60's and 70's because that was the weaker party and was already leaning to the left.
    One needs look no further than our current AG Holder, who, in his capacity as then Assistant AG under the Clinton administration, was responsible for such outrages as the pardoning of the Jewish criminal Marc Rich and the murders of Vicky Weaver and the Branch Davidians.

    I'm also quite sure the Oba"Mao"-ists were looking for a case that could be used to further erode our rights for awhile now. This poet fellow must have seemed like a good choice. Past drug conviction, "white supremacist".. They probably figure it will be a "slam dunk" too. But will the courts want to convict on the grounds of poetry? Most courts, excluding the ones on the "left coast", are pretty conservative. Being, on average, about 15-20 years behind he times. I don't think they are ready, or willing, to set that kind of precedent yet.

    Another thing that should be taken into consideration is the mood of the country. Obama is not going to get re-elected. Most of the hardcore, leftist Congressmen/women are either not going to run for re-election or will get their arses handed to them in the mid-terms. Those politicians who remain know that the country has been pushed to the extreme left for quite awhile now and that a equally severe push back to the right is in the works. So, I doubt they'll want to be seen as having been too friendly with the Obama regime.

    Remember, all the branches of govt. are, although technically independent, still inter-related. Setting up kangaroo courts for thought crimes may fly in the UK and Europa atm, but not in the US.

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