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    I remember Christian rock/metal coming around in the 80's. The thing that sticks most with me was the crowds of people staring almost zombie like at a band that kind of sounded like Iron Maiden. It was very creepy.

    The point is Christian metal/rock has been around almost as long as metal has been around.

    Is "Holy Diver" by Ronnie James Dio a Christian metal song?
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dietsch View Post
    Everyone forgot the band Helloween.
    Power Metal resp. Heavy Metal is swamped by Christian bands, no need to recount them all, I wouldn't specifically mention stuff like Candlemass as such. It is a more curious phenomenon with genres more often seen as decidedly un-Christian such as Black Metal.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    There is a difference between 'Christian metal bands' and 'metal bands with Christian members'. Christian musicians performing in metal bands doesn't bother me in the slightest - 'Christian metal,' on the other hand, I can't stand... It's just so, tacky.

    Most 'Christian metal' bands of today perform the kind of garbage I wouldn't like anyway, regardless of their motives. 'Metalcore', 'deathcore', whatever they want to call it these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    Is "Holy Diver" by Ronnie James Dio a Christian metal song?
    No just look at the cover of that album.

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    Any group started from a pre-conceived notion tends to end up artifical and shallow. It becomes cheap propaganda for less intelligent individuals who need pre-manufactured memes drilled into their psyches with a sledgehammer. Which is why Michael Sweet became just as embarrassing as Glenn Benton or any of the "pro-white" bands. They are all embarrassing and light-weight. In any case this is why all the bands that last never start from any single agenda or message. It never lasts.

    It helps to distinguish between "Christian bands" and Christian imagery. The latter is very prevalent in Metal. It is a way of signalling a certain culture and heritage in a way that fits well with the medievalist themes in much of traditional metal.

    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    Is "Holy Diver" by Ronnie James Dio a Christian metal song?
    No. I read those lyrics as a personal struggle. It does contain some interesting possible Evola references though. Dio was neither openly pro- or anti-Christian. He was too smart for that. Now you will hear different interpretations of Metal from different ideological camps. Anti-Christians, Black Metal fans (and raving christian fundamentalists, interestingly enough) will tell you that Dio, Sabbath etc was anti-Christian. Pro-christians will tell you that there are pro-Christian subtexts. And drug addicts would find drug themes into the same metal songs. The truth is that all these artists and bands were story-tellers. Not simple ideologues. That is why their art have lasted so long. They were too smart to push any single message or agenda on their audiance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dietsch
    No just look at the cover of that album.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schoenenbourg View Post
    No. I read those lyrics as a personal struggle. It does contain some interesting possible Evola references though. Dio was neither openly pro- or anti-Christian. He was too smart for that. Now you will hear different interpretations of Metal from different ideological camps. Anti-Christians, Black Metal fans (and raving christian fundamentalists, interestingly enough) will tell you that Dio, Sabbath etc was anti-Christian. Pro-christians will tell you that there are pro-Christian subtexts. And drug addicts would find drug themes into the same metal songs. The truth is that all these artists and bands were story-tellers. Not simple ideologues. That is why their art have lasted so long. They were too smart to push any single message or agenda on their audiance.
    I was joking did you not notice the at the end of the sentence, I have been to few Dio concerts when I was a young man.
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    Good to hear, no worries.
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    Venom interview:

    Lant was quoted as saying that this celebration of evil subjects was inspired by the perceived need to out-do musicians like Ozzy Osbourne of Black Sabbath, who would 'sing about evil things and dark figures, and then spoil it all by going "Oh No, No Please God help me!"

    hehe.

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    I guess, that I shouldn't laugh, because I really love all of the classic metal bands of the seventies and eighties. I even listen to Stryper, but I also listen to Slayer. For that matter, I do like some of the old Country gospel, like the Statler Brothers, and the contemporary Christian like Zoe Girl. I have very diverse taste in music, but I can't help but laugh during this thread thinking about Pat Boone singing Crazy Train & Enter Sandman!

    Pat Boone Sings Ozzy's Crazy Train
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    Pat Boone Sings Metallic's Enter Sandman
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    As one poster pointed out members who happen to be Christian if fine. Tom Araya(?) of Slayer is Christian but doesn't push that into the music. But Christian metal grosses me out. I don't want to hear it, I don't want the message its giving, don't care what style it is played in. Personally I think that real metal doesn't really best suit Christianity. Maybe it suits Numetal and all that whatever-core stuff but not for Thrash, Folk, Melodeath, etc.


    As for "unblack metal" - that's just plain stupid and Christianity has no place being promoted in Black metal. It just isn't compatible with the ideology of Black metal.

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