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    Post The Thule Society

    I know very, very little about the Thule Society (the original one, not modern-day variants) and would like to learn more. Does anyone here know anything about it? Are there any reliable books or websites?
    Any help would be appreciated.

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    The best starting point is the well-known book;

    'The Occult Roots of Nazism', by N.Goodrick-Clarke.

    This is a readable and scholarly study [unlike the less-scholarly mythologising works, such as Ravenscroft's 'The Spear of Destiny'].

    You will find more information from the Rune-study fraternity;Stephen Flowers [also known as Edred Thorsson] has published much around the Thule society and its culture, including a useful translation of Guido von List's 'the Secret of the Runes'.

    A net search on 'Thule Society' etc., will turn much of this stuff up.

    Interestingly, the Thuleans were attempting to create a total Aryan spiritual outlook based on the Runes and the Holy Eddas, something that Thorsson et al are trying to continue as a living Faith today.

    Are there any Rune afficianados here?

    I ask because I am still troubled by the meaning of 'Peorth'.

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    I read that book a couple years ago. It was one of the first places I had heard of the Thule Society, but have never been able to find anything more in-depth. Thanks for those "leads"...I'm going to be looking into them soon.
    Are you familiar at all with Asatru? If so, what are the similarities and differences between it and what the Thule Society taught?
    "Volkish occultism" is very new to me (I'm most familiar with Thelema, taro(t), and the Qabalah/Kabalah/Cabalah/etc - oh no!), and I am definantly interested in learning more about it, as it seems to be the road I'm finding myself walking down.
    Thanks for the help!

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    The book I mentioned by von List, 'The Secret of the Runes' is a good introduction to the Thulean ideas.
    Von List recieved a vision of Wotan when temporally blinded, and then devoted himself to being a priest of Wotan.

    To von List, 'The Havamal' [a part of the Elder Edda, sometimes known as 'Odin's Rune Song'] contains verses which directly correlate to the Viking Rune Row.
    This Viking row is called the 'younger', and is a reduced version of the longer Elder Futhark [Futhark refers to the names of the first few Runes fu-th-ar-k]. The latter is found more on the continent and the British Isles, while the Younger predominates in Scandinavia.

    Von List gives an interpretation of each Eddaic verse, comparing it to the (sometimes modified) meanings of the Runes as he sees them.
    As there are two extent Rune Poems (i.e., where a short verse is given for each Rune) for the Viking Rune Row from the Middle Ages [one Icelandic, one Norwegian], it can be seen that von List's version contains some deviations. He also appends an extra Rune which is based on the swastika; this Rune row of von List's is called the Armanen.

    The main difference between the Thule then, and Asatru now, would be the overtly Racial stance of the former.
    The Mythos of Blood which drips from the pages of Mein Kampf and the operas of Wagner finds its place in the Thule.
    Von List says;
    "Your Blood is your Holiest possession".

    Much importance is attached to Holy Places - i.e., pagan sites of Wotan/Thorburn/Baldur worship, ascertained from old place names.
    In England there are Saxon place-names such as Wednesbury [Wedn=Woden/Wotan] and Thorburnsby etc., which proclaim cultic significance.

    Also, Theosophy had a deep influence on the Thule; Blavatsky's theory of Root Races inspired theories of Aryans from Atlantis/Hyperborea etc., as well as linking Teutonic beliefs with early Vedic mythology. The Thulean version was called Ariosophy.

    So I would say that the Thule were also more occultist, and therefore more of a synthesis.
    It was the Thulean and general Volkish belief that Christianity could be seen in an Aryan light, and that it had only been perverted by the Jews throughout history.
    So Aryan Christianity, Wotanism, the Grail Mythos, Occultism, Nietzscheanism etc., were all part of a big mix. The dominant element though, was a Racial German Nationalism.
    Incidentally, the Qabalah was seen as an Aryan system by some Thuleans, which was entrusted to the Jews to avoid its destruction by Christians [!].

    Compared to all this, modern Asatru seems a bit 'blood-less' and 'soil-less'.

    Von List applies an esoteric/exoteric approach to all his methods of interpretation, which includes some gifted etymological study. He claims that often the esoteric meanings of words and things are quite different to their given exoteric meanings.
    In this way, when Christianity became the official religion of Europe, many pagans who were initiated into the esoterica were able to continue paganism in secret under the noses of the Christian authorities. He claims that the pagan priesthood actually continued underground; in a way, today's Spiritualised National Socialists can be seen as part of this continuing tradition.

    On an esoteric symbolic level, this disguised paganism can be recognised in various areas of iconography. For example, in heraldry; von List claims that the designs of heraldry are disguised Runic motifs. He also says that Gothic architecture has similar hidden meanings; indeed, von List is able to find hidden Aryan meanings in almost anything.

    So I would recommend Thorsson's books on the Runes and Germanic magic for a general Asatru perspective [my favourite is his Futhark]. His 'Nine Doors of Midgard'(I think that's the title) gives an excellent book list; of course, he has to be negative about National Socialism's use of Runic Occultism, but we can take that with a pinch of salt.
    You need to know the Eddas - the Elder [poetic] Edda [best translation is Hollander's], and the Younger [prose] Edda by Snorri Sturuluson, as well as the Icelandic Sagas and the Teutonic/Celtic Epics.
    Von Lists's book as mentioned, and any others by him and associated figures [Goodrick-Clarke gives details of all these].
    This all ties in with Wiligut and the Inner SS.

    There are many Thulean type organisations around today, but I find most of them still follow a Slave Morality, and not the Master Morality seen in the Sagas. I particularly avoid those which claim to be non-racist!

    Of course, as Tacitus tells us, pagan spirituality is personal and non-institutional; so I like to meditate on the Runes while out in Holy Places ...
    Talking of which ... what DOES 'Peorth' mean?

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    Wow, very informative post, Moody. I read D. Sklar's The Nazis and the Occult which strongly linked Theosophy and the Thule Society to National Socialism, though in a very negative way (I believe the author may have been a Jewess). Still, it makes for good reading, and is informative. I would like to know more about Thulean perspectives on the Kabbalah? I find it interesting that some of them viewed it as Aryan.

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    Wow, yes. Very informative post Moody. Thanks!

    NordischesBlutundEhre:
    When stripped of much of it's dogma the Qabalah provides ways to build intuition.

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    Thanks, gesith;

    I haven't researched this question of the 'Aryan' Qabbalah, but just to clarify;
    The claim is that members of the underground Aryan-pagan priesthood were worried that if they were all eventually destroyed by the Christian enforcers, then their lore would die with them.
    Therefore they formed an unlikely alliance of expedience with the Jews; teaching them the Aryan system now known as Qabbalah, hoping that the Christians would just see it as a piece of Jewish magic and not bother with it [this also ties in, somewhat ungratefully, with the general Hitlerian notion that the Jews have created nothing of their own].

    I have seen modern versions of the Qabbalah using Runes instead of the Hebrew letters; this is important as each Rune had its own name and was therefore a semi-pictographic/magical alphabet, like the Hebrew.
    This is mentioned somewhere in Goodrick-Clarke's 'The Occult Roots of Nazism', a book worth reading and re-reading.
    Also interesting is the discussion in there of the Holy Vehm, a sort of vigilante Order in Germany well into the Christian period, which used Runic symbolism and adhered to a Master Morality, punishing all sorts of traitors in their own open-air 'courts'.
    Von List's researches bring out the Aryan elements of such things - it is a great pity that more of von List's work isn't translated into English.

    I feel that there is a universe hidden within the Runic system which has not yet been fully unlocked [perhaps a comparison of the Runes with Qabbalah may help, perhaps not].
    It is thought that the pagan Mithras cult in Rome, which mainly had the allegiance of Germanic mercenaries in the Legions, used the Runic sysytem.

    Roughly speaking the three 'eights' of the Runes refer to the Earthly Power of the Aryan, the Natural World and its Underworld and the Higher Metaphysical Realms of Gods/esses and Heroes.
    This symbolic Weltanschauung is a counterpart to my Philosophy of Necessity.
    The Runes have great power - both for blessing ... and cursing.

    Thurisaz!

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    << I have seen modern versions of the Qabbalah using Runes instead of the Hebrew letters; this is important as each Rune had its own name and was therefore a semi-pictographic/magical alphabet, like the Hebrew. >>

    I was just about to write a post asking you if anyone had ever done this, when I re-read your last post and came across this quote.
    Like I said, I don't know anything about the runes, but I do know the Qabalah. Do you happen to have any of these versions you mention? If so, could you list the Runes, and which Hebrew letters each corresponds to?

    << I feel that there is a universe hidden within the Runic system which has not yet been fully unlocked [perhaps a comparison of the Runes with Qabbalah may help, perhaps not]. >>

    Yes, I am certain it will! You've got me thinking now. : )

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    The Kabbalah is also known as the 'Tree of Life', and this corresponds with the World Tree 'Yggdrasil', which is vitally important to the Nordic/Germanic pagan out-look.

    If you look at Edred Thorsson's book 'The Nine Doors of Midgard', you will get an idea of how the Kabbalah system can be utilised in Asatru.

    The correspondence of Runes to the Hebrew letters is fairly straightforward if one has a table of meanings for both systems [see Thorsson's 'Futhark' handbook for a list of Runic correspondences] - just make your own comparisons.

    I am not going to detail my own version here, because;
    i) I cannot get the Runes/Hebrew on this type-face, and
    ii) I do not think it proper to promote the Hebrew on this Aryan forum.

    I would, though, like to get into a discussion on the meanings/possibilities of the Runes one-by-one with anyone interested [any Vikings here?]

    I think the above mentioned book by Thorsson will deeply interest you, though, as it is a complete course of Rune Study.

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    Post Re: Thule Society?

    I have been devoted into the study of the runes for quiet some time...
    the question is, which system do you care to analyse?
    http://www.blackcrescent.com/h_bWays_16.html

    von List's work has been frowned upon by common Ásatrú devotees but for all the wrong reasons. I do not appose Ariosophy yet would like to note that clearly much of his study has been rejected, List society terminated along with his followers (like S.A. Kummer) when National Socialism came into power in Germany. Karl Maria Wiligut clearly cut out his own system yet it is obvious he simply built up on List's fundamentals, never giving him much credit yet being granted the title of "Himmler's Lord of the Runes".

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