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    Is the Black Metal Scene a Positive or Negative Example to Young Germanics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer View Post
    Well, I suppose that's a pretty good idea if you want to form your political base in the hardcore black metal and homosexual communities.
    As has been pointed out here before, black metal is one of the few forms of expression where White males have maintained a sense of masculinity, especially when compared to the enfeebled EMO masses.

    Torchbearer, do you feel more of a kinship with the gay hipsters and feminists who revile the black metal scene as much as you do?

    Also, it has helped to introduce quite a few soul-searching youths to discover their ancient heritage in a way that christinity could not. This is why you will find many black metal enthusiasts who are also revivalists.

    Considering that the fellow in your avatar has been an enthusiastic race-mixer I would hold off on your judgment of a group of people who have remained nearest to the ideal that many of us espouse at Skadi.

    For you to lump them together with homosexuals, as if they are the dregs of society, is a petty insult and one that I am inclined to think was directed at the black metal fans here at Skadi.
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    Is the Black Metal Scene a Positive or Negative Example to Young Germanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    As has been pointed out here before, black metal is one of the few forms of expression where White males have maintained a sense of masculinity, especially when compared to the enfeebled EMO masses.
    Are you joking? The black metal is full of emo-like degenerate freaks, and some of them are gay.

    Manly, this?





    You have got to be kidding me.

    By the way, many black metal bands advertise themselves as anti-racist and join anti-racist projects:

    http://www.metalheadsagainstracism.org/indexe.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolgadeutscher View Post
    Are you joking? The black metal is full of emo-like degenerate freaks, and some of them are gay.

    By the way, many black metal bands advertise themselves as anti-racist and join anti-racist projects.
    I must say, you certainly are representative of those who base their watered down opinions on what they can quickly find on a google search. How triumphant your post seems.

    If you bothered to to get to know some of them, which I am sure you are afraid to do, you will find that many of those in bands as well as their fans are predominantly family-oriented. They are nicer and more down-to-earth than you suspect.
    They raise kids, protect them from harm, and since it is rare that black metal musicians make the mega-millions, most have additional jobs to feed their families.

    This is man enough for me, whereas most EMO's are anti-family and cringe at the thought of a hard days work.
    (BTW, there are quite a few black metal enthusiasts that would love to hear a comparison of them to the average EMO wimp.)

    Yes, I know that quite a few of the more recent bands have made those anti-racists statements, but they mostly do this for PC reasons and also because they do not want anything to stand in the way of making money.
    How do you know that some of them don't secretly harbor anti-muslim sentiments? I'll bet anything that a lot of them do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    I must say, you certainly are representative of those who base their watered down opinions on what they can quickly find on a google search. How triumphant your post seems.

    If you bothered to to get to know some of them, which I am sure you are afraid to do, you will find that the many of those in bands as well as their fans are predominantly family-oriented.
    They raise kids, protect them from harm, and since it is rare that black metal musicians make the mega-millions, most have additional jobs to feed their families.

    This is man enough for me, whereas most EMO's are anti-family and cringe at the thought of a hard days work.
    I searched on Google pictures of those I already knew about. They made sure everyone found out about their coming out of the closet. Yes, right, quite "family oriented". What kind of man would paint his face, especially a family man, a father who is supposed to be an example to his children? They are an insult towards familial tradition. They resemble clowns from a circus.

    (BTW, there are quite a few black metal enthusiasts that would love to hear a comparison of them to the average EMO wimp.)
    Good for them, because I have seen enough not to change my opinion on the scene. Yes, I have met plenty of metallers.

    Yes, I know that quite a few of the more recent bands have made those anti-racists statements, but they mostly do this for PC reasons and also because they do not want anything to stand in the way of making money.
    How do you know that some of them don't secretly harbor anti-muslim sentiments? I'll bet anything that a lot of them do.
    I don't care for what they might feel secretly, which you can't prove either way. What matters is the kind of message they send to their audience, and it is one of degeneration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolgadeutscher View Post
    What kind of man would paint his face, especially a family man, a father who is supposed to be an example to his children? They are an insult towards familial tradition. They resemble clowns from a circus.
    Quite a few of our warrior ancestors painted their faces. They just carried a different kind of axe.

    Good for them, because I have seen enough not to change my opinion on the scene. Yes, I have met plenty of metallers.
    You have been to shows, shaken their hands, sat down to chat, became friends...?
    No, you haven't. You have decided what they are before even giving them a chance.
    Yours is the the worst kind of ignorance there is.

    What matters is the kind of message they send to their audience, and it is one of degeneration.
    Maybe we should let some of the other degenerate black metal fans here answer this one, because I am sure they will tell you, like I am, that instead of inspiring me to degenerate acts, this music has only just inspired me, nothing else.

    You still haven't even come close in convincing me of what you say.

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    I don't like it really. Why would a Germanic with fair hair dye his hair black?

    The music? No further comments on that. The lyrics? I don't listen to it, but it seems only to be about growing negative feelings. What is the point of that?

    Ancient Germanic warriors would think these Black Metalists were pretty weird, singing about destroying and looking scary, but do they fight what they hate?

    For Black Metal

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    Show me a Black Metal band that is truly NS or racialist and good sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Quite a few of our warrior ancestors painted their faces. They just carried a different kind of axe.
    Perhaps they looked less gay. Do you know of any Vikings who dyed their hair and wore black eye makeup? I don't. I only know emos and goths who do that.

    You have been to shows, shaken their hands, sat down to chat, became friends...?
    No, you haven't. You have decided what they are before even giving them a chance.
    Yours is the the worst kind of ignorance there is.
    Yes, I have, all of the above except become friends, unless you count MySpace friendship as real friendship. The people I shared rent with some time ago were also black meal fans so we had a lot of discussions on this theme. I couldn't wait to leave that place because it would always be the same: degenerate parties, drinking, drugs, promiscuity. Quite the celebration of our Germanic tradition, isn't it?

    Maybe we should let some of the other degenerate black metal fans here answer this one, because I am sure they will tell you, like I am, that instead of inspiring me to degenerate acts, this music has only just inspired me, nothing else.
    Mmm yes, I see how. It inspired a lot of people to hate Christianity ardently, to despise their own folk kin who are Christian and commit a lot of destruction, instead of inspiring them positively about what it takes to be a good Germanic. It inspired them to condone and celebrate burning of Germanic architecture, built by their ancestors.

    You still haven't even come close in convincing me of what you say.
    Neither have you. Instead you have convinced me of your own ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolgadeutscher View Post
    Perhaps they looked less gay. Do you know of any Vikings who dyed their hair and wore black eye makeup? I don't. I only know emos and goths who do that.
    There are quite a few members here who dye their own hair.
    Besides, this is a feeble argument by you to determine what is manly or not.

    I couldn't wait to leave that place because it would always be the same: degenerate parties, drinking, drugs, promiscuity. Quite the celebration of our Germanic tradition, isn't it?
    Well it is unfortunate that you fell in with this one group, which is not representative, and still chose to not seek the positive ones out afterwards in order to find out if they are all like this.
    You are still spouting ignorance here.

    Mmm yes, I see how. It inspired a lot of people to hate Christianity ardently...
    This is bad?

    ...instead of inspiring them positively about what it takes to be a good Germanic.
    Proportionately, a larger number of black metal enthusiasts have rediscovered their roots, whereas christian music preaches for people to embrace multi-culture and blind obedience.

    It inspired them to condone and celebrate burning of Germanic architecture, built by their ancestors.
    Not proven. Those who participated in these acts were never encouraged to do so by thise that have been blamed for them.

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    Black Metal is supposed to be Satanist and Heathen, isn't it? Well, I guess Satan is evil, but the gods in Heathenism are not more like Satan than they are like Jesus. So I don't see why some BMs are Heathen, since Heathenism/Asatru isn't "evil" or "dark" at all. Some gods, like Balder, are on the contrary very "light", like Jesus or something. And all the gods loved Balder because he was so "light"

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