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    Quote Originally Posted by Entwulf View Post
    Don't most musicians of today speak against people who care for race? You're massively narrowing what you 'can' and 'cannot' listen to. Boycott the mass majority of 21st century music.
    I didn't say don't listen to them, I meant don't support them (including financially) and don't be under the false impression that they're an expression of the Germanic soul or BS like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dietsch View Post
    They should not care for labels, if they did they would have never made anti-christianity music.

    Just look at Ancient Rites, they are openly nationalistic and everyone hates them, still they have a big loyal fan base and are still in my opinion one of the few metal bands where every album they bring out is a masterpiece.
    It's about keeping their identity which is apart from "nationalist".

    Just look at Myrkgrav. The one man band project of Lars Jensen. It's openly stated on the website:
    Myrkgrav is not related to either left- or right-winged political ideologies.
    yet the project promotes more cultural heritage than most metal bands altogether. It's not that he doesn't care for labels but he cares to be recognized for what his performance stands for.
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    MySpace frequently deletes profiles which are too 'racist' and 'nazi', so if these bands want to promote their work through there they have to adopt a non-racist disclaimer or they could be kicked out.

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    Indeed. This and that the 'pariah' status is indeed infectuous.

    Round about three to two years back the leftist witchhunt media, such as indymedia, bifff, fightfascism, etc had its peak, they controlled through their propaganda not only who was labeled nazi or nsbm, but also controlled, indirectly or openly through backdoor 'informations' who was going to get a label deal or even who was going to play live and who was not.

    It goes even so far that bands who are sold together with as nsbm labeled bands in a mailorder (something on which bands dont have any influence), or having a myspace-friend who is labeled as such, are infected by the pariah status and then get boykotted by the "mainstream" metal media. Meaning in clear text that published reviews get deleted in almost all metal online mags, that concert dates are removed, interviews deleted and of course none of this is done ever again for a band.

    And it doesnt only affect the bands but also the labels. Once there was a band which got labeled nsbm or nazi, the label experiences the same paria status. The bigger other labels who run all big mailorder stores boykott not only this particular band, but the entire label with all their releases. The festivals of course dont book them and it gets more and more difficult to organise black metal concerts at all, because the moment a bm concert is announced, the left-extremists activists scene floods the city major and the owners of the clubs with massive propaganda, make them fear that their city / club will get overrun by a nazi march and so on.

    Someone told me, who was organising a concert himself in a castle, that although he first could convince the people that the bands are not nsbm and they got the licence, that some days before the concert, when the lefties couldnt stop it via their normal propaganda, that the owner of the castle was massively threatened by several people that if he let these bands play, he will regret it - personally. Also the major got a friendly letter pointing out personal consequences if he doesnt stop that.

    Although the leftist media's influence lowers meanwhile a bit down, also through massive counter-propaganda (which isnt made that clever, two clicks and you know that altermedia or A-Blaze is behind that), this witchhunt still does work for the most magazines, labels and so on. The left propaganda costs them thousands and thousands of real euros, not only reputation, and with that their existence and jobs.

    It goes even so far that people working at labels get fired when afterwards comes out that a band is labeled racist or nazi, when it was them who signed the contract. I guess that there is massive pressure in the background, and indeed threats against people in key positions from the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    You have blamed all of black metal for these things. That is what your posts implied. Now all of a sudden you are an enthusiast?
    I didn't say I was an enthusiast. Getting to know things about the scene and its fans doesn't mean being an enthusiast. It just means having insight.

    Please list a few of these decent bands you are talking about, and please refrain from naming the more popular ones, like Cradle of Filth. I am curious to know if you can tell the difference between what is true quality and what is crap.
    You name them because you are the one who brags about their family values and preservation enthusiasm. The fact is the majority of the black metal scene is degenerate. That's why I asked you to name decent ones, and the popularity doesn't matter. You can be popular and high quality or popular and low quality. Being popular doesn't disqualify any band.

    For what "we are"? I don't think so.
    I stopped identifying with your jew-worshipping religion when I was twelve.
    How is hating christianity anti-racist?!
    They are not anti-racist because they hate Christianity, they are anti-racist because they are anti-racist. The majority of black metal fans are left wing and support ideologies against tradition, like anarchism and hedonism, because these ideologies allow them to continue with their sick and degenerate lifestyle, with drugs, crime, violence against their own, sleeping around and vomiting their guts in club restrooms because they drank too much. Hating Christianity is being anti a tradition which has been in Germanic lands for thousands of years and modeled a decent lifestyle, opposed to this idiocy.

    Warning, graphic content:

    http://www.metal-archives.com/images/8/0/7/5/8075.jpg

    They never proved that the individual who was blamed for those church burnings actually started the fires or encouraged others.
    How naive are you. People started burning churches because they saw their idol doing it and they wanted to follow.
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    Irrbloss - Heritage


    In my veins floats
    the blood of the old world
    in the ground floats
    the blood of our ancestors

    Over every tree and mountain high
    over every field and snowy ground
    lies my heritage

    From the highest peak to the deepest sea
    from the clearest lake to the darkest wood
    lies my heritage

    By the blood of my ancestors
    I shall fulfil my heritage



    Irrbloss - Bloodline

    Our bloodline may live
    it was given to us
    by our ancestors
    you shall live up to it
    and never hesitate
    be greatful for the gift they gave

    A tide will sweep over all
    that is unnecessary
    I have the antidote
    for the plague that is spreading
    spreading fast and wide
    now tremble Christians!
    For I will not stand helpless
    while you poison our lands

    Sweden, where great men once roamed
    now Sweden, be beautiful once more
    Blood, that's what binds us
    now bloodline, our faith is sealed

    Our bloodline will always be
    strong and pure

    Our bloodline is what
    defines us as heathens

    Sweden, where great men once roamed
    now Sweden, be beautiful once more
    Blood, that's what binds us
    now bloodline, our faith is sealed



    Naglfar - As the Twilight Gave Birth to the Night


    As the twilight gave birth to the night
    I walked into the forest
    The twisted trees clawing at the skies
    These are my true dominions
    The mist glows red and ablaze the sky
    And the funeral wind blows cold
    This is where I shall sacrifice
    Here I will end my mortal life

    Seduced by the October moon
    Drowning in its frozen grace
    Tempting my nocturnal lusts
    Bathing my pale cold face

    These dark forests are singing to me
    In tongues it cries my name
    Bidding me into its deep dark womb
    Where my spirit forever shall dwell

    And a cold wind of evil
    Whispers my name in the forest,
    I dance with witches and trolls
    As the twilight gave birth to the night
    I am here... Forever

    My burial place will be the mountains, the forests and the seas
    And so my name shall be remembered for all eternity

    As the twilight gave birth to the night

    My burial place will be the mountains, the forests and the seas
    And so my name shall be remembered, for all eternity

    And still a cold wind of evil
    Whispers my name
    In the forest as my spirit dance
    With witches and trolls
    Their hymns are praising me
    For I am their newborn king...
    Forever
    Forever...

    These dark surroundings are mine
    From the smallest stone to the tallest tree
    And so I will be the ruler of this night
    I will reign in divinity
    Divinity...



    Lord Belial - Purify Sweden


    Sweden, mighty Sweden
    The time has come for war
    We must purify this land
    These plains of forgotten glory

    We must Unite!

    Upon the mountains we shall stand
    Guarding what must be ours alone again
    Exterminate those who oppose us one by one
    This is our land which must be purified

    Purify Sweden!
    Destroy all which is dedicated to god
    Purify Sweden!
    All fucking mosques must burn
    Purify Sweden!
    Molest all islamic believers
    Purify Sweden!
    Apostolic fathers must die

    Fearless we stand amongst those we hate
    Proud we´ll stand as we walk our land alone again
    Buddha, allah and jesus fucking christ-the whore!
    Must be erased from the memories of every Swedish born

    We must Unite!

    So hear us now-swear allegiance in the name of all Swedishness
    Under the banner of the land of Sweden you all must fight or die
    Let your hate rise with fury, let your fury show you the way
    Guard and cleanse our land which must be ours alone again

    Purify Sweden!
    Destroy all which is dedicated to god
    Purify Sweden!
    All fucking mosques must burn
    Purify Sweden!
    Molest all islamic believers
    Purify Sweden!
    Apostolic fathers must die

    Let the cleansing begin!!!



    Just some examples of celebrating heritage and race
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    Aller Sturm nimmt nichts, weil dein Wurzelgriff zu stark ist
    und endet meine Frist, weiss ich dass du noch da bist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolgadeutscher
    You're aware of the fact that this is "Dead", back then vocalist in Mayhem AFTER his alleged suicide? It was most likely not suicide, but murder, by Euronymous.

    And as a christian you better dont shout too loud about the oh so great values of your sick tradition, which is not here for "thousands" (plural) of years but in large areas only for some hundred years, and which now faces the revealing of a huge sex scandal with priests abusing little boys who they were given to care for. Not the first one of this kind, and not the last either. This is your sick tradition, which covered and kept that hidden for years. It is no secret either that the church in Vatican holds its own concubines, that there is murder and deceit and what not all. And the churches pay for all the out-of-wetlock children and so on. The church is hypocrisy at its best. So stop glorifying that anti-moral crime-syndicate

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolgadeutscher
    How naive are you. People started burning churches because they saw their idol doing it and they wanted to follow.
    The vast majority of the over 40 churches that burnt down in Norway in the beginning of the nineties was burnt down by perfectly normal people who never in their lives had heard a single metal record.

    Only three of the burnt down churches could be assigned to a black metal guy, Varg Vikernes, who most likely burnt down only one of these churches, but took the charge for the other two too.
    Ein Leben ist nichts, deine Sprosse sind alles
    Aller Sturm nimmt nichts, weil dein Wurzelgriff zu stark ist
    und endet meine Frist, weiss ich dass du noch da bist
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The atheist part refers to the judeo-christian / semitic god. It is a sardonic abuse of christian language who called our heathen ancestors unbelievers and godless people, atheists.
    Else I identify as Heathen, although I would like to stress that it is much more a state of mind than a religion. My spirituality thus is Heathen in nature, without that I would be utterly 'religious'.
    That sounds reasonable enough. I would suggest that this puts you in the same general category as many secular-cultural protestants here in Scandinavia for instance. They say the exact same thing as you said, but with a protestant interpretation. They have discarded all religious trappings but retained a personal spiritual side. They listen to metal, some even to BM/DM. Just something to think about, regarding prejudice and stereotypes...


    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    Considering how insanely hateful your black metal scene is towards Christians and "ordinary people" abiding by ordinary traditional values, you shouldn't be surprised when people are utterly disgusted by it. And as Anlef pointed out, the black metal scene is but a sick mockery of the spirit and traditions of true Germanic heathenry.
    Yes. Prejudice exist on both sides of the equation. Its natural for subgroups, but in modern society it has gotten out of hand because of modernism, which weakens the national structures that keep people sane and respectful towards one another. I have seen BM'ers p****ng on churches here in Sweden, while also denouncing decent culture Christians citizens as "pedophiles" and "lunatics". I have also seen Christians acting with prejudice against decent BM'ers viewing them as murdering lunatics. In the end, the only worthwhile question is who are prepared to work together for the common social cause of European peoples and our way of life.


    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet
    Indeed. This and that the 'pariah' status is indeed infectuous.
    Yes. Also bear in mind that Christians themselves have also become pariahs today. They are hunted, vilified and ridiculed in European mainstream media and culture. Neoliberal, atheist multiculturalism is the norm today. Motoons are racism, piss Christ is art. I'm sure you realise which groups benefit from this arrangement...

    Christians who think they can eradicate metal in the name of god are delusional. BM'ers who think they can erase Christians and Christian culture from European soil in the name of their beliefs are even more delusional. You can choose to be part of the problem or you can be part of the solution. Those who are actively fighting fellow whites in the name of their particular clique du jour are part of the problem. That is un-Germanic behaviour. They are doing exactly what a certain tribe wants them to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet
    And it doesnt only affect the bands but also the labels. Once there was a band which got labeled nsbm or nazi, the label experiences the same paria status. The bigger other labels who run all big mailorder stores boykott not only this particular band, but the entire label with all their releases. The festivals of course dont book them and it gets more and more difficult to organise black metal concerts at all, because the moment a bm concert is announced, the left-extremists activists scene floods the city major and the owners of the clubs with massive propaganda, make them fear that their city / club will get overrun by a nazi march and so on.

    Someone told me, who was organising a concert himself in a castle, that although he first could convince the people that the bands are not nsbm and they got the licence, that some days before the concert, when the lefties couldnt stop it via their normal propaganda, that the owner of the castle was massively threatened by several people that if he let these bands play, he will regret it - personally. Also the major got a friendly letter pointing out personal consequences if he doesnt stop that.

    Although the leftist media's influence lowers meanwhile a bit down, also through massive counter-propaganda (which isnt made that clever, two clicks and you know that altermedia or A-Blaze is behind that), this witchhunt still does work for the most magazines, labels and so on. The left propaganda costs them thousands and thousands of real euros, not only reputation, and with that their existence and jobs.

    This will only serve to strengthen white awareness and the struggle for white social justice. Metal is all about freedom and rebellion against authority. When the authority denies you the right to promote your message, multiculturalism will be increasingly associated with dictatorship. And white awareness will be increasingly associated with freedom.
    "Att motverka antigermanismen genom att värna germanska folk, traditioner och ideal handlar inte bara om grundläggande mänskliga rättigheter. Det handlar i slutändan om att rädda mänskligheten."

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    You're aware of the fact that this is "Dead", back then vocalist in Mayhem AFTER his alleged suicide? It was most likely not suicide, but murder, by Euronymous.
    I'm aware of what it is. I looked it up specifically. The black metal scene is full of disrespect, disgust, blood, crimes and disgust.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._2008_-_11.JPG

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Mayhem_pig.jpg

    And as a christian you better dont shout too loud about the oh so great values of your sick tradition, which is not here for "thousands" (plural) of years but in large areas only for some hundred years, and which now faces the revealing of a huge sex scandal with priests abusing little boys who they were given to care for. Not the first one of this kind, and not the last either. This is your sick tradition, which covered and kept that hidden for years. It is no secret either that the church in Vatican holds its own concubines, that there is murder and deceit and what not all. And the churches pay for all the out-of-wetlock children and so on. The church is hypocrisy at its best. So stop glorifying that anti-moral crime-syndicate
    The difference is that the teaching of God condemns acts like paedophilia and murder. Those priests who abused boys disrespected the word of God, and they never were/are a majority. Black metal preaches hatred and crime, you just posted lyrics which promote to destroy and molest.

    The vast majority of the over 40 churches that burnt down in Norway in the beginning of the nineties was burnt down by perfectly normal people who never in their lives had heard a single metal record.

    Only three of the burnt down churches could be assigned to a black metal guy, Varg Vikernes, who most likely burnt down only one of these churches, but took the charge for the other two too.
    I doubt it such people can be called normal and I doubt it black metal had nothing to do with it. By the lyrics you posted, you made the point I was saying all the time: black metal bands encourage people to destroy Christianity and its landmarks.

    "Destroy all which is dedicated to god"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolgadeutscher View Post
    "Destroy all which is dedicated to god"
    The question is, would a true Germanic use talk like that...

    The heathens had gods too...
    "Att motverka antigermanismen genom att värna germanska folk, traditioner och ideal handlar inte bara om grundläggande mänskliga rättigheter. Det handlar i slutändan om att rädda mänskligheten."

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