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    Grin Sith Philosophy as a Current in the 'New' Right?

    after reading this post by Jager, and having seen past posts by Thusnelda and Inese, I wondered if Sith 'thought' is useful as a wellspring of inspiration for european revivalists. (hey, it's good enough for the three cool people above... )

    At least in English-speaking countries there has been a phenomenon of people registering their religion as 'Jedi' on the census. Surely this demonstrates the decadence and degenration of the public as they turn to dope-smoking, tree-hugging 'use the force' new age do-gooder nonsense. Why 'use the force' when you canuse armies of followers under the charasmatic command of the 'Leader'?

    google search (while at work) bought me to 'wookipedia'*() to mine up some quotes.
    *btw, most articles on this are huge and much longer than wiki articles on important subjects from the 'real' world. go figure...

    here's a stirring music video to play while you read them:


    "A Sith Lord is…?"
    "A being who stands against the Jedi and their control over the Republic."
    ―Mitth'raw'nuruodo and Kinman Doriana[src]

    - stands against 'the establishment' 'the liberal elite' 'ZOG' 'our treacherous govt'. 'insert enemy here'

    "I am Darth Bane, Dark Lord of the Sith. I will survive. At any cost."
    ―Darth Bane[src]

    and so shall we



    "To be a Sith is to taste freedom and to know victory."
    ―Yuthura Ban.[src]

    One Master and one apprentice; one to embody the power, the other to crave it."
    ―Darth Bane to Zannah[src]

    "Power is its own purpose. To share it is to dilute it. You delude yourself, pretender -- Your order will yet turn on itself and you."
    ―Darth Bane's thoughts on the One Sith and the Rule of One[src]

    "Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.

    "Equality is a perversion of the natural order!…It binds the strong to the weak. They become anchors that drag the exceptional down to mediocrity. Individuals destined and deserving of greatness have it denied them. They suffer for the sake of keeping them even with their inferiors.

    "Equality is a chain, like obedience. Like fear or uncertainty or self doubt."
    ―Darth Bane[src]

    For what is this 'democracy' they speak of if not the absence of order? Of reason? Surely the strong should rule—for that is nature's way."
    ―Kaan[src]

    If you seek to aid everyone that suffers in the galaxy, you will only weaken yourself … and weaken them. It is the internal struggles, when fought and won on their own, that yield the strongest rewards… If you care for others, then dispense with pity and sacrifice and recognize the value in letting them fight their own battles."
    ―Darth Traya[src]

    "Evil is a word used by the ignorant and the weak. The dark side is about survival. It's about unleashing your inner power. It glorifies the strength of the individual."
    ―Darth Zannah[src]

    please add more if you know any

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    The Sith Code
    Peace is a lie; there is only passion.
    Through passion, I gain strength.
    Through strength, I gain power.
    Through power, I gain victory.
    Through victory, my chains are broken.
    The Force shall free me
    .

    Inese on the Sith Codex -
    the empire is white, the sith are white ---- hmmm maybe some very less exceptions??? ---- but the rebellion and jedi are multiracial and political correct!!! There are Asians niger , other minorites and other races at the Jedi!! Yoda looks like a gypsy and talks like one!!!

    Dark side is better. All are white and the codex is good.
    If our european people follow the codex preservation was no problem!!


    I'm sure Thusnelda made a similar post some time ago but I couldn't find it

    Renwein on the Sith Codex-
    It is the will of Allah that Germanics will soon have a similar code to guide their future conduct. Heute Heil Heino!

    Analysis of the Sith Code (source)
    The Sith saw themselves as seekers, challengers of old and stagnant ways, in touch with the laws of nature and the universe. They saw the Jedi as denying their natures and afraid of the truth around them. Yuthura Ban gave examples of the tuk'ata and sarkath hunting prey, feeding on weaker creatures. Passions were what kept all creatures—from the most rudimentary to the most evolved sentient—alive. Yuthura Ban explained this to the amnesiac Revan, "To think us creatures beyond the need of simple passions is a delusion." They believed that mastery of their passions gave them strength the Jedi lacked.

    The true meaning of the line "…my chains are broken" was a subject of argument among many Sith. The chains represented a being's restrictions; not just a Sith but any being in the universe. The restrictions could be those placed upon a being by someone else, or restrictions that one placed upon oneself. The ultimate goal of any Sith was to free himself from such restrictions, but not (as many failed Sith pupils believed) in the simplistic meaning of just being able to do whatever he wanted. The Sith desired to free themselves in order to reach perfection and fulfill their potential. They wanted perfect strength, perfect power, and perfect destiny, which, in turn, allowed one to do whatever they wanted for the most part. The person who had these abilities was known as the Sith'ari.

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    The Sith Code clarifies that the Sith are not simply anti-Jedi who recognise the supposed callousness of their actions and for this very reason indulge in them. In this sense, it fleshes them out as characters rather than mere villains, but of course their perception is still judged and distorted through the prism of predominant Jedi thought, which guides their caricatured portrayal.

    An active self-identification with the Sith therefore carries the risk of conformity to the expectations of the Jedi side, as if the primary goal was to be as "evil", i.e. non-Jedi, as possible when in fact a thorough repudiation of the Jedi's lies and distortions leads to a separate path that is valid in its own right.

    I have also noticed that the Sith teachings seem to draw heavily from Germanic and wider IE mythemes, which is perhaps a deliberate attempt to use their wisdom to add depth to the Sith while simultaneously pointing them out as something to be rejected.

    In particular, the central position of "victory" in an extended meaning caught my eye:


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    "In times long past, the Sith race proved malleable…Splitting into a meek and servile Slave class…An intelligent and nimble Engineer class…Others interbred with the early Exiled Jedi—like the ancestors of Ludo Kressh—watering down the powerful bloodlines…But most useful of all were members of the vicious Massassi Warrior class."
    ―Naga Sadow - referring to the split of the Sith (species) into the four different castes/sub-species: Slave caste, Engineer caste, Kissai and Massassi. [src]

    "Culturally, the Sith Empire was very different from that of the Republic, being much more ecumenically-driven than its counterpart. The Sith Empire was hierarchical, utilizing both a rigid caste system and a stratified rank structure to put its subjects in their proper place. Due to how long Sith society has separated the Sith into castes (across approximately 130,000 years), each caste is sometimes referred to as a sub-species of Sith."


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    "Come to the Dark Side - we have cookies!"
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    I beleive there is something valled "grey Jedis" in the SW universe. They use both Jedi and dark Jedi force. I read that in some article, as I have only seen the movies.

    "Well, I assure you, I see more grey than dark or light. I'm just a stubborn old man, tired of the foolishness of others."
    ―Jolee Bindo to Revan in the Shadowlands of Kashyyyk[src]
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi

    I don't see why it is wrong with the Jedi mindset of respecting and living in harmony with nature?

    In reality I think we should not use Sci-fi comics and movie as a basis for our political world

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    It is silly to base your life on sci-fi but all of this is based on real philosophies and historical stories. In the same manner that Lord of the Rings is based on Germanic mythology. "The Force" or religion of the Jedis is basically a really well explained interpretation of Taoism and also certain philosophers who have been dubbed by some as "atheistic". Basically God is seen not as a living human being but as a force which resides in nature and in all things- even us! This is known as pantheism (in that God is everything) it is something I teach in my form of Asatru. We tap into the web of life (web of wyrd) which is the force and can use it to better our connection with existance and improve ourselves. In Taoism they considered the Tao something undescribable, unnameable but which exists as a spiritual aspect of nature that can only be realized or felt rather than explained. Some translate the Tao as spirit or even force which resides in all of nature. The goal of the Taoist is to tap into this universal truth to promote self understanding, growth and powers. Morality is based on practical reasoning (we are moral because it is logical and leads to success- confucianism), afterlife is not really considered other than immortality here on earth, or maybe becoming immortal through oneness with the cosmos (Tao).

    The dark philosophies mirror Nazi and conservative arguments. It's all based on real life.
    “success and survival are above all the rule of life. As such it is the highest command of moral law” –Lord Livwell (me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Méldmir View Post
    In reality I think we should not use Sci-fi comics and movie as a basis for our political world
    True, but the point here is, as Rainman elaborated, that political, philosophical, cultural, and historical concepts are used from the real world more often than not as a basis for fiction like sci-fi comics and movies. In this case we can see, as Hauke pointed out, the Star Wars writers incorporated various modes of thinking and historical elements (obviously from the quotes above specifically taken from aspects of NS philosophy and related, which shows how meticulous these writers were in their research )
    to enhance the portrayel of 'villainy'.

    It is a shame that no one with the same kind of meticulousness in research and understanding has taken these concepts and truths and recombined them into something productive that can help our folk. Instead they are used as plot devices for a sci-fi fantasy genre which ultimately proves useless to us and also hurts us by poisoning the already dumbed down mass in connecting these noble truths with "evilness" through fantastical imagery .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingwë View Post
    True, but the point here is, as Rainman elaborated, that political, philosophical, cultural, and historical concepts are used from the real world more often than not as a basis for fiction like sci-fi comics and movies. In this case we can see, as Hauke pointed out, the Star Wars writers incorporated various modes of thinking and historical elements (obviously from the quotes above specifically taken from aspects of NS philosophy and related, which shows how meticulous these writers were in their research )
    to enhance the portrayel of 'villainy'.

    It is a shame that no one with the same kind of meticulousness in research and understanding has taken these concepts and truths and recombined them into something productive that can help our folk. Instead they are used as plot devices for a sci-fi fantasy genre which ultimately proves useless to us and also hurts us by poisoning the already dumbed down mass in connecting these noble truths with "evilness" through fantastical imagery .
    Yes, of course everything in SW has inspiration from real things. I was just under impression that we were supposed to actually start a "Sith party" as opposed to the "Jedi religion". If we make music videos on Youtube where we add SW music to Third Reich videos, then WE are the ones making it evil, not George Lucas or anyone else. I guess some people that are nationalist/racialist, actually think it is cool to be seen as "evil", and thus make videos such as the one above.

    If we look at the different philosophies, I can't say that the Sith one is always better than the Jedi. They both have good elements, in my opinion, and both have bad ones too. Therefore the "Grey Jedi" would be the best IMO.

    This philosophy in the SW universe is pretty in line of what I am talking about.
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Potentium

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingwë View Post

    It is a shame that no one with the same kind of meticulousness in research and understanding has taken these concepts and truths and recombined them into something productive that can help our folk.
    That's exactly what I have been doing with my own book. It basically explains my own philosophy, gives instruction on rituals, Aryo-Germanic history etc. It isn't for everyone. I just made the book to please myself and for use of people like me and my future children. I don't think all racists or whatever will agree with it, but it isn't for everyone.

    More or less it is based strongly on extensive research I've done into NS philosophy. It is based on all the insightful things I've learned on racial and Asatru forums and things I've learned from college and life and such. It mirrors the Sith philosophy. Empower yourself favor those similar to yourself and so on. It also mirrors Judaism in a lot of ways and is very close to old Roman and Greek pagan ideas (a lot of which are incorporated). What it is not similar to would be slave religions like Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc. The direct quote from the book is below- lord livwell is the name I gave myself and that quote starts an explanation of morals. It also mirrors the left hand path and satanism in some ways. Morality is based on logic and working together rather than "commands" or unbending laws.
    “success and survival are above all the rule of life. As such it is the highest command of moral law” –Lord Livwell (me)

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