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Thread: FoxNews: Neo-Pagans Get Worship Circle at Air Force Academy; Paganism in the U.S.Military; Picture

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    FoxNews: Neo-Pagans Get Worship Circle at Air Force Academy; Paganism in the U.S.Military; Picture


    Witches, Druids and pagans rejoice! The Air Force Academy in Colorado is about to recognize its first Wiccan prayer circle, a Stonehenge on the Rockies that will serve as an outdoor place of worship for the academy's neo-pagans.

    Wiccan cadets and officers on the Colorado Springs base have been convening for over a decade, but the school will officially dedicate a newly built circle of stones on about March 10, putting the outdoor sanctuary on an equal footing with the Protestant, Catholic, Jewish and Buddhist chapels on the base
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    The Air Force recognizes several distinct forms of neo-paganism, including Dianic Wicca, Seax Wicca, Gardnerian Wicca, shamanism and Druidism, according to Pagan groups that track the information
    More: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews
    Famous outdoor worship circles include Stonehenge and Avebury in England and Native American sites such as the Bighorn Medicine Wheel in Wyoming and Cahokia Henge in Missouri. A worship circle at Fort Hood, Texas, became a flashpoint for discussions about Paganism in the U.S. military after it was established by the Sacred Well Congregation in 1999.
    More: http://www.usafa.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123187157

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    I'm agnostic, but I support paganism. Good to see this!

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    Wicca - ancient religion since 1957 or sth like that. That the US Military is prone to accomodate Wiccans but is still reluctant to give equal concession to quickly growing numbers of Odinists/Ásatrúar speaks much for whether something fits into the universalist agenda that is being pursued.

    Wicca being potentially a universal mix-and-match faith without particularly many restrictions on what is permitted or not, let alone much historical footing except some esoteric consideration by a few scholars. With all due credit to any Nationalist who may subscribe to this faith and hold it as a Folkish variant and potentially progressive, I can't see much use to the folk from Wicca. As such, it's obviously going to be much more accepted than those "evil racist" Odinists, not to forget in 1999 the Project Megiddo report labelled us as potential terrorists, more dangerous than the then imminent Muslim threat itself!

    Other than this, as long as you're allowed personal observance it doesn't actually matter what it says on your dog-tag. The guy next to you has to carry the same backpack the same 30 miles, and is going to break down and puke at the same stone. If you end up in actual conflict, you're going to need your back covered by him regardless of what faith he is. That's where fighting for your survival (and by extension for your country) becomes primary and personal disagreement becomes secondary.
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    The United States was founded on Religious Freedom, and it's about time that the soldiers who practice a religion, which is not part of the Judeo-Christian family of religions get to practice theirs beliefs, and be given the time and place to worship.

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    Wicca is nothing but liberalism packaged as a religion. For exampe the creed "and if it harm none do what thou wilt" is a quote from the founding father of modern liberalism John Stuart Mill who was a philosopher in the 1800s. This philosopher actually refused to study in Britain because he refused to be associated with the "white devil". He also stated that people shoud be forced to deviate from normal behavior in order to be free even if they didn't want to do so. And then with Wicca we also learn to include and value all cultures, mix them together etc. In the same way my form of Asatru is simply a religion based on nationalistic/right wing principles. You can't really seperate culture/politics/religion.

    Or another example: goddess worship. Where did this come from? Ancient Europeans? Well they have found "venus" figures around the middle east and Europe and claim it was goddess worship but there is no evidence for this. The idea of worshipping a female god was first introduced around the turn of the 20th century by feminists. One of the founding fathers of feminism was John Stuart Mill. Again almost every aspect of their religion can be traced back to relatively modern liberal philosophers and not any native tradition or belief.
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    While I agree that wicca is pretty much a modern invention, you should at least bother with some truths to defeat lies

    The venus figures, though found in Europe, stem from a people we generally know nothing else about. These figures are more than 15.000 years old, so they stem from before the time of settlement by (confusingly in this case called) Indo-European people - us.

    Second, female goddesses were indeed worshipped by our people. Not exclusively females ones, but there have been some (see Nerthus, Freya etc).


    Dont know the American world enough, but hm, thinking positive I'd think they have to start somewhere to recognise other than the common religions. Maybe it's just the start...? Let's hope so
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    Actually what I mean is that Wicca doesn't honor a pantheon of gods which are male and female. They typically say "bless the goddess" and they believe all gods are an aspect of the goddess. They also believe there is a god/goddess duality but for whatever reason choose not to mention or honor the god very much but always emphasize the goddess. their "gods" can be picked and chosen from any tradition.

    I think Wicca can be useful for some people but it really isn't much of an "alternative" religion. It teaches to help the weak, sick etc. To not be assertive really but go behind a closed door and cast a spell. In Wicca the individual is emphasized (which never happened in any ancient people that I know of- not until Roman Catholocism and modern liberalism). It sort of mirrors the slave religion of Christianity, Buddhism etc. They've done the same thing with Asatru publishing a lot of liberal books and calling it Asatru.

    Wicca's basic ideology "we have no rules or laws exept to harm none, include and accept everybody, value all cultures equally and freely mix them together. The individual is the most important person in the world. Men and women are equal, in fact women are possibly better than men and praise the goddess! Do whatever makes you feel good, explore alternative lifestyles" etc. Truly what does that sound like to you?
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    Wicca, women in combat, and now gays in the modern US military?! My real God who art in heaven, what a special kind of hell they've created.
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