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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    The Aryan mythos is not the sole preserve of the Germans. It is though, an important philosophical/spiritual element in N-S.
    A National Socialism not based on Aryanism becomes a different species of N-S [call it non-Aryan N-S, for example].

    "HVH" seems to be following the line of Jadhi very closely, in only being able to say that N-S is Truth and Truth is N-S and that is all ye need to know [to paraphrase Keats]!

    Essentially they cannot even BEGIN to explain what THEY mean by Aryan, possibly because they have never thought about it before.

    Of course, it is the purpose of this thread to examine this within the context of N-S.

    However, it does not do for us to merely say that one's inability to explain is due to the impossibility of such an explanation.
    Perhaps it is our own lack here; a bad workman blaming his or her tools.

    It does not do either to imply that those who ask for an explanation do not deserve one.
    Or that only those who are in the know will ever know, so everyone else can go away.

    The purpose of a forum is discussion.

    I have tried to explain what "Aryan" means to me above; I believe that N-S must have this Aryan Mythos, but Aryanism is not restricted to N-S of course.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    I have tried to explain what "Aryan" means to me above; I believe that N-S must have this Aryan Mythos, but Aryanism is not restricted to N-S of course.
    The NSJAP have the Myth of the Samurai, for me that's their "Aryan Myth."
    Does this concur with your view?

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dagda
    The NSJAP have the Myth of the Samurai, for me that's their "Aryan Myth."
    Does this concur with your view?
    It's their 'Turanian Mythos'; parallel to the 'Aryan Mythos', but not the same.

    So N-S is, in terms of its origination, based on the Aryan/Nordic Mythos.

    Versions of N-S which are non-Aryan or non-Nordic, are a different species of N-S.

    Japanese N-S is an example of this non-Aryan/non-Nordic Mythos.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Versions of N-S which are non-Aryan or non-Nordic, are a different species of N-S.
    If they see Adolf Hitler as their philosopher (as the NSJAP do) then aren't they the same species?

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dagda
    If they see Adolf Hitler as their philosopher (as the NSJAP do) then aren't they the same species?
    They are a different species because of their differing Blood and Soil [a central aspect of all National Socialisms], although they are part of the same genera of Nationalisms, as I said.

    Famously, the Japanese National Socialist, Nakano Seigo, exhorted his fellow Nippons to;

    "Write your own Mein Kampf!"

    Illustrating that the Japanese take on N-S would be peculiar to Japan and thus a form of non-Aryan N-S.

    Griffin quotes Seigo's piece in his 'Fascism, an Oxford Reader';
    You can find it under the following headings;

    Part III: Abortive Fascisms;
    b. Non-European Fascisms;
    iv Japan;
    section 125

    Link to Griffin's book;
    http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/genera...&ci=0192892495
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Turanian are part of a different root-race, which came before Aryan.
    if you want to know how the NSJAP really are, i suggest you ask me....
    or talk to my brothers in NSJAP.

    not all but, the leader (Who i will not give out his name) he follows much of truth.

    i will leave it at that.
    Last edited by Moody; Thursday, July 15th, 2004 at 06:42 PM. Reason: removed irrelevant comments

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by HVH
    Turanian are part of a different root-race, which came before Aryan.
    if you want to know how the NSJAP really are, i suggest you ask me....
    or talk to my brothers in NSJAP.

    not all but, the leader (Who i will not give out his name) he follows much of truth.

    i will leave it at that.
    With respect, it was my contention that the Turanian Mythos of Japanese N-S was different to the Aryan Mythos of N-S proper.

    I would like to think that both the Turanian and the Aryan adhere to the Truth as they see it.

    So 'Truth' as such, while being an Aryan virtue, is not EXCLUSIVELY difinitive of Aryanism as such.

    We are looking for features which define Aryanism as such in relation to N-S.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dagda
    I fully agree with you, I have said many times before that White Nationalism has bastardised National Socialism over the years. We have to look to Adolf Hitler for true National Socialism, not to modern groups that use the swastika as a hate symbol.
    Agreed, such an example is as follows,

    "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe."

    -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    and then we have this, Lane's "infamous" 14 words.

    "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"

    -David Lane

    As it can be clearly seen the 14 word's origins do not come purely from the mind of Lane alone, he has merely moulded it to fit into a pan-european heritage sense and simplified it to such an extent that the same message is replayed in a poorly disguised format.
    Last edited by Prussian; Monday, July 19th, 2004 at 02:52 PM.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    The ideas of David Lane fully acknowledge their source.

    They are directly inspired by the Aryanism of N-S.

    I hope that no-one here is suggesting that the beautiful lines of the 14 words are any kind of "bastardisation" of N-S!

    They are very much a modern expression of N-S, and are in the spirit of Hilterism.

    Link to 14 Words;
    http://www.14words.com/home

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    I hope that no-one here is suggesting that the beautiful lines of the 14 words are any kind of "bastardisation" of N-S!

    They are very much a modern expression of N-S, and are in the spirit of Hilterism.
    I would not call it "bastardisation" of NS rather it is better fitting to be described as recycled rhetoric of a previous ideological school of thought under the banner of white nationalism.

    Lane himself seems to be an intelligent fellow and quiet clearly constructive in the sense of restructuring previous ideas within the fabric of ideology.
    "Let your love towards life, be love towards your highest hope:
    and let your highest hope be the highest idea of life."
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