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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by prussian25_au
    I would not call it "bastardisation" of NS rather it is better fitting to be described as recycled rhetoric of a previous ideological school of thought under the banner of white nationalism.

    Lane himself seems to be an intelligent fellow and quiet clearly constructive in the sense of restructuring previous ideas within the fabric of ideology.
    His 14 Words Press has brought out a new edition of the 19th century book 'Might Is Right'; this has had an impact on modern N-S thought.
    This book is PRE-N-S, and so this shows that Lane is not just recycling N-S.

    Also, Lane has done some good work on the spiritual aspects of Wodenism and related them to WN; this again is a step ONWARD from N-S which was embryonic in such matters.

    So the charge made earlier in this thread that WN [such as Lane] had "bastardised" N-S is without foundation.
    Neither has Lane "recycled" N-S as far as I can see.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Interesting..... what I don't understand is the contridiction in the statement.

    Firstly this...
    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    This book is PRE-N-S, and so this shows that Lane is not just recycling N-S.
    .......and then this.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Neither has Lane "recycled" N-S as far as I can see.
    Firstly it says that Lane himself is not just recycling National Socialist thought thus also recycling other material from some other ideological foundation. In turn there is a later denial of the first claim, confused.

    There is no doubt that Lane is indeed a leading figure head of the White Nationalist movement today,however I am simply questioning the origins of the fourteen words not his overall material.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    So the charge made earlier in this thread that WN [such as Lane] had "bastardised" N-S is without foundation.
    well there is enough foundation in this comparision for me, but of course that is a matter of opinion in such matters though I would not exactly call it bastardization.
    Quote Originally Posted by prussian25_au
    "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe."

    -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    and then we have this, Lane's "infamous" 14 words.

    "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"

    -David Lane.
    The comparision between to the two is uncanny and certainly are striking in resemblence of the meaning of the actual content itself, again this is mere opinionism but I see it as a solid foundation.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by prussian25_au
    Firstly it says that Lane himself is not just recycling National Socialist thought thus also recycling other material from some other ideological foundation. In turn there is a later denial of the first claim, confused.
    Sure; I responded first to the claim that Lane was ONLY recycling N-S by referring to his championing of the pre-N-S book MIR. I said this showed that Lane was not "just" recycling N-S if we take your accusation at face value.
    In other words, IF he is "recycling N-S", then MIR proves that he is not "just" [only] doing that.
    Then I went on to Lane's Wotanism [his main ideological thrust], and concluded from that that he was NOT recycling N-S.
    Of course he IS influenced by N-S - that cannot be denied; he is also putting out versions of N-S [such as Mein Kampf], and this could be called "recycling" by those who are looking at these things cynically.
    But his advocacy of MIR and Wotanism shows that he goes far beyond any kind of re-cycling of N-S.

    There is no doubt that Lane is indeed a leading figure head of the White Nationalist movement today,however I am simply questioning the origins of the fourteen words not his overall material.
    well there is enough foundation in this comparision for me, but of course that is a matter of opinion in such matters though I would not exactly call it bastardization.
    To be influenced is not to "bastardise"; who in the WN movement cannot FAIL to be influenced by N-S and MK?
    That his 14 Words are derived from N-S is no bad thing if that is genuine influence; it cannot therefore be called "recycling" or "bastardisation".

    The comparision between to the two is uncanny and certainly are striking in resemblence of the meaning of the actual content itself, again this is mere opinionism but I see it as a solid foundation.
    A foundation for influence [and who hasn't been influenced by Hitler in some way or another?]; but not a foundation for plagiarism.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    To be influenced is not to "bastardise"; who in the WN movement cannot FAIL to be influenced by N-S and MK?
    That his 14 Words are derived from N-S is no bad thing if that is genuine influence; it cannot therefore be called "recycling" or "bastardisation".
    Of course to be influenced is not to bastardise and if you pay close attention to my words I did not call or categorise it as being bastardised, look to a previous poster who used the term in giving his opinion.

    Nor is it a bad thing but "recycle" is a fitting term considering it's meaning as "to pass again through a series of changes or to remake into something different".

    Thus in this recycling process Lane himself took previous ideas and remodelled them fitting for the task or objective at hand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    A foundation for influence [and who hasn't been influenced by Hitler in some way or another?]; but not a foundation for plagiarism.
    Who mentioned plagiarism? Plagiarism was not the flow of my point rather I am questioning the origins and influence of the fourteen words nothing more nothing less. Truthfully Lane did a good job with the fourteen words and acted in accordance with making it fit within the framework of White Nationalist ideology.

    Yes many have been influenced including Lane himself and same goes for how many christians have been influenced by the holy bible.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by prussian25_au
    Of course to be influenced is not to bastardise ... "recycle" is a fitting term considering it's meaning as "to pass again through a series of changes or to remake into something different.
    But 'recycling' has a pejorative sense, which was first meant by those who tried to compare WN with N-S, to the former's disadvantage.

    I see the influence as positive, as we seem to agree.
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    But 'recycling' has a pejorative sense, which was first meant by those who tried to compare WN with N-S, to the former's disadvantage.
    If you look at colonialism and the KKK, they were around long before NS, so WN already had their own philisophy long before Adolf Hitler came along, so
    NS has obviously been hijacked by WN.

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dagda
    If you look at colonialism and the KKK, they were around long before NS, so WN already had their own philisophy long before Adolf Hitler came along, so
    NS has obviously been hijacked by WN.
    That doesn't follow.

    What 'colonialism' are you referring to?; many empires etc., had colonies.

    The KKK, a secret society, were a specific response to the South losing the American Civil War.

    RETROSPECTIVELY, we could place the KKK and N-S under the umbrella of WN.

    Please explain, with examples, what you mean by "hijacking" in this connection?
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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    That doesn't follow.

    What 'colonialism' are you referring to?; many empires etc., had colonies.

    The KKK, a secret society, were a specific response to the South losing the American Civil War.

    RETROSPECTIVELY, we could place the KKK and N-S under the umbrella of WN.

    Please explain, with examples, what you mean by "hijacking" in this connection?
    By colonialism I mean White nations taking land in Africa for example, and the
    racial tension that followed with nations like Rhodesia becoming Zimbabwe and
    post apartide South Africa.

    By hijacking, I mean we live in the age of the internet so if a teenager wants to find some info on modern NS, he/she will type something in and will come across "NS" sites selling KKK and White Power merchandise and he/she will obviously link the two philosophies together and will therefore get a bastardised view of NS.

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    RETROSPECTIVELY, we could place the KKK and N-S under the umbrella of WN.
    NS would not go under the umbrella of WN because non-White nations can follow NS philosophy.

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dagda
    By hijacking, I mean we live in the age of the internet so if a teenager wants to find some info on modern NS, he/she will type something in and will come across "NS" sites selling KKK and White Power merchandise and he/she will obviously link the two philosophies together and will therefore get a bastardised view of NS.
    In this sense it is undeniably true into such occurances being present on websites selling material of two different schools of thought and a youngster therefore linking the two philosophies/ideologies and concludes that the two are one and the same.
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