Page 2 of 8 FirstFirst 1234567 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 77

Thread: The Meaning of "Aryan" and How it Applies to National Socialism

  1. #11
    New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Last Online
    Sunday, December 21st, 2008 @ 03:33 AM
    Ethnicity
    AMERICAN
    Ancestry
    OKOPK
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    United States United States
    State
    Missouri Missouri
    Location
    USA, BABY! CRAPLAND
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Nothin'.
    Politics
    Pan-European Nationalism
    Religion
    I dunno.
    Posts
    9
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    I don't understand why you point out obvious "contradictions" that I have (obviously) purposely made.

    It was a very vague overview, and I emphasize vague, of the criteria of a National Socialist today. I said at the top of my post, "This is my first post and I'm going to be rather brief."

    But due to these responses I may be forced to create a detailed post of what exactly I mean.

    To address a few concerns that stand out the most...

    You contradict yourself - you say that a serious N-S will not label himself N-S: therefore you accept that there ARE N-S today, so N-S can't be dead by your own reckoning. It seems you only object to the name 'N-S' because the enemies of N-S have smeared it!
    This is hard to comprehend, why you don't understand what I mean. Figuratively, National Socialism is dead, meaning that those who believe in the teachings of Natioanl Socialism will not be successful if they label themselves as "National Socialist," that if National Socialism is going to be successful in this corrupted world it must be divided and classified with new beliefs. It seems so obvious what I implied, I still can't see why you don't see that.

    If you think "It seems you only object to the name 'N-S' because the enemies of N-S have smeared it!" again, I can't comprehend this. This isn't a post, "why i r think N-S is stuped" like you're attempting to imply, I am simply stating that National Socialist are doomed to failure because it the name has been demonized. So unless you think, "I'm a National Socialist and I'm proud of who I am!" well, that doesn't matter if you're proud or not. That won't make you successful. Err... I'm beginning to ramble... I hope you understand now.

    When I stated that National Socialism is 'dead,' I meant that what was understood as National Socialism in the 1930's and '40's has been twisted and clouded by propaganda from BOTH the original National Socialists and the Allied Powers. We will NEVER understand what National Socialism truely was; National Socialism died in Hitler's bunker in 1945.

    The 'Aryan' concept is obsolete even if it existed before the NSDAP. Yes, it is true that there were Ariosophists throughout the 19th and early 20th Centuries, but their theories really had no basis other than the fact that various peoples of Europe (Slavs, Germans, Celts, Latins, etc.) have roots that can be traced back to the ancient Aryans who invaded India. However, 'race' has become an obsolete and archaic means of 'uniting' European people; it is also completely unrealistic. By the Ariosophist's logic, we must also defend Iranians and Afghans, for they too can be traced back to the ancient Aryans ('Iran' is even a form of the word 'Aryan'). However, there are several European peoples who are unrelated to the Aryans, such as the Hungarians and the Fins. I don't know about you, but a pan-EUROPEAN movement should be more concerned about protecting fellow Europeans, like the Fins and Hungarians, and not Iranians or Afghans on the basis that they are 'Aryan.' In short, a pan-European movement shoul stress CULTURE, and not race.

    It is the Judaisation of American culture that has caused its degeneration.
    Jews may possess some influence in American media, but to say that Jews are attempting to 'Judaise' American culture is just plain silly. Coming from Great Britain, you are quite ignorant towards American culture and you don't have the experience within American society that I have. Negroid peoples have much more influence within degenerate American culture than Jews do, and trust me... Jews aren't behind it. Commercialism and capitalism (which is linked to natural HUMAN greed, not Jewish culture) has also contributed greatly to the degeneration of culture within America. At-any-rate, American culture can and shouldn't be 'white' to
    begin with. America is a multicultural nationa and should be left as such. Euroepans should be more concerned about preserving EUROPE, not America, as Europe is our natural homeland.

    N-S is perfectly possible for European-Americans as they have shown.
    'National Socialism', or any European nationalist movement, cannot exist within the United States. For one, the lands of North America DO NOT rightfully belong to European peoples. Rightfully, they should belong to the Native Americans, but even Mexicans have more 'right' to North American territories than Europeans do. Second, America is a multicultural nation, and there is no way to change it. To force European culture on all Americans would lead to disaster, and the futher degeneration of European culture. Third, most 'European-Americans' are far too degenerate to belong to a European nationalist movement. In fact, most nationalist whites in America are really just right-wing red-necks who listen to degenerate music and have a hard time speaking English properly. If this is what you consider 'Natioanl Socialism,' you might as well join the KKK.

    Yes, if by 'capitalism' you mean globalist monopoly capitalism in its contemporary form. I would not exagerate the importance of the US, since the 'anti-culture' rooted there is shared by elites across the globe, including everywhere in Europe.
    I would indeed stress the importance of the United States. You must remember, Europe has since degenerated after WWII, and the capitalist influences in Europe are mostly from American corporations. American culture is also devastating Europe, music, tv, etc. I will not go into to much emphasis on how this is relevant, because it should seem quite obvious to most.

    I hope this makes things a bit clearer on what I mean.

  2. #12
    Senior Member Moody's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Last Online
    Tuesday, July 10th, 2012 @ 09:18 AM
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    English
    Ancestry
    Albion
    Subrace
    Paleo-Atlantid
    Country
    United Kingdom United Kingdom
    State
    Essex Essex
    Location
    England
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Investigator of Souls
    Politics
    Pan-Germanic Nationalist
    Religion
    Runosophy
    Posts
    1,904
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9
    Thanked in
    9 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    I understand what you are driving at, but not only do I not agree, but think that the thrust of what you say is invalid.

    N-S is not obsolete, neither is Aryanism, neither is 'Race' itself: why would you be engaged in trying to kill them if they were already "dead"?

    N-S does not measure "success" in the way you assume.
    N-S could stay underground for decades, for centuries, and yet still "successfully" propagate its teaching and develop its ideas: THAT is success.

    True, Bush's Republican Party may be far more 'successful' today than the NSDAP; but for all its 'success' it is still degenerate and shameful.
    It has sacrificed integrity for SUPERFICIAL success.

    N-S would regard it as a failing to 'tailor' its beliefs to fit in with the Modern degeneracy. Indeed, the resistance of this temptation is a sign of success for N-S.

    As for demonisation; if all an established power has to do is smear and demonise its rivals, then the game would be up.
    Christianity, for example, would have stayed in the catacombs.

    If you believe you have a great idea then you promulgate it no matter how much your opponents try to smear you.
    If you change your clothes to suit your enemies, then they will always call the tune and keep you down.
    There comes a point when you have to stick to your ideals and slug it out toe to toe - even when they have type-cast you as the 'demon'.

    Many a demon became a hero.

    Indeed, show me a god who didn't begin as a devil!

    N-S no more died in Hitler's bunker in 1945 than Christianity died on the cross in the first century AD!

    Come, Doubting Thomas, poke your spindly fingures in these wounds!

    Aryan "versus" European? - why sholud there be a conflict betwen the two? Do your hear of Jew versus Semite? - No!

    There is no mutual exclusion here - no need for a strict Either/Or.
    An African American doesn't think himself severed from the African Continent, nor does a European Jew think himself exiled form Israel.
    The Jew does not reject the idea of Semitic culture, so why should the European reject the idea of Aryan culture?

    Each one of us is the result of a long unbroken chain going back to the dawn of time, a chain going back past a myriad migrations, empires, tribal loyalties and homelands.
    Does your heritage only begin when your ancestors found themselves in Europe? Did they suddenly emerge from out the European soil?
    Were they self-created like God, or were they the off-spring of more ancient peoples?
    This reality does not stop someone from being a European - but being a European should not stop someone from appreciating the wider Aryan culture.
    Of course, past Aryan lands have been racially and culturally diluted so as to become barely Aryan in our sense; we do not want that to happen to Europe [and it is happening].

    Why restrict yourself - why de-culturalise yourself? - why de-racinate yourself?

    Once you cut yourself off from Aryan roots you become ripe for Judification.

    "God gave all power to the Jews over the wealth and the blood of all peoples" - The Torah.

    The Judaising of European culture [and the export of that Judaised European culture to the colonies] is easy to map. Christianity's adoption by the Roman Empire and its survival in Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire is a primary source of Judaisation.
    Cicero wrote of the baneful nature of Jewish influence before that unhappy event.
    Afterwards, up to the present day, Aryan children were often baptised with Hebrew names rather than the ancient Teutonic, Slavic, Latin and Celtic ones, for example.

    Sombart says, "Puritanism IS Judaism".

    Jews were traditionally money-lenders in European society and so were always at the forefront of commerce and banking.
    Rabbi Burton Visotsky admits that "The Torah is all about business".

    With the shift of the Money Power from London to Wall street New York in the late 19th/early 20th century we notice the increase in Jewish influence in the USA, which has now reached the stage where American foreign policy is directed at the highest level by the likes of Perle, Wolfawitz etc., etc.,

    There is evidence that Whites were in the Americas before Mongolians and Africans. The Declaration of Independence was drafted by White slave-owners, and does not recognise non-Whites as full men. To that end, America - if it is to survive as America - must rediscover it's racialist ethos;
    Europe and America must become twin living spaces for Whites.

    As for "ignorance" of the nature of American racialism; I give a counter-example - Yockey's 'Imperium": one of the greatest racialist philosophical works, written by an American.
    THIS is the American culture [like that of Emerson and Pound] that is NOT Judaised - on this is the future to be built, not on the superficialties of commercial "success"!
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

  3. #13
    Account Inactive
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Last Online
    Wednesday, July 11th, 2018 @ 05:09 AM
    Ethnicity
    Ethnicity
    Ancestry
    Ancestry
    Gender
    Age
    36
    Posts
    2,129
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,488
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    128
    Thanked in
    106 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    I am not Aryan! I have a bloodline going back to the Scandinavian royal dynasties before Christianity and if Aryanism was passed down, I would have been raised in it!!! Sure, we have cattle and some crops from western Asia etc., but that doesn't make all of the people west of the Urals/Caucasus Aryan. Many religious aspects can be traced back to this spread of agriculture, but I am living proof that there is little if any of that blood in me or my family. Every surname of my family members are based on life removed from this mass culture. Surnames which imply fishing, hunting, personality, occupation, simple paternity, placenames, and they all describe life as it was in their part of the world, not how it was in Asia! I have no oriental birth names in my family either, all are occidental and boreal. All of the inspiration and heartache that I ever experience is due to feelings of attachment to my origins, which are Northwestern European in nature.

    All that stuff from the part of the world you speak of is extremely strange to me, as strange as Judeism.
    The Jutes' name is pronounced the same as you would a Jew or Yid. Then there is the matter of God, whose name is from Odin, the allfather to the Goths, or the "godi". Why would there have been any Crusades into Palestine if not for a Jutish (Norman Danish) colony going back quite some time? Juden and Juten are nearly the same. When it is pronounced by Levantine people, they say it differently, like Yehudah. What do the Bible Belt people do? Copy that style! What incentives for gain did the Crusaders have but to reclaim their land they described holy?
    All those Levantine & Khazarian people calling themselves Jewish is because they took over the land and kept the same name, as you would call yourself French if you were born in France! It might anger a Frenchman for an immigrant to call themself French when they have little background other than birth to prove they are "French", but that's how it is. Judea/Judah is simply one of the colonies made by the Jutes, not their origin. How holy can it be?

    Another thing...Hibernians, Iberians had a colony in Hebron. Palestine was like a World Summit back then. Everybody set up trading posts in the area to make money between different routes in Asia, Europe and Africa. How special are you?! Capitalism being Jewish? Then why does everybody complain about the White Male in business?
    Deus Pater/Zeus is the same as Joshua, and predates God officially as that spelling, just as Tyr/Tue does, the warrior of justice. The Cross being a sign of the Blade, as you inflict the almighty's punishment into a disobedient world.
    Last edited by Moody; Saturday, June 12th, 2004 at 12:16 PM. Reason: uncivil elements removed

  4. #14
    Account Inactive
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Last Online
    Thursday, July 5th, 2012 @ 06:07 AM
    Subrace
    Atlantid
    Country
    United States United States
    Location
    Metropolis
    Gender
    Age
    39
    Family
    Single
    Occupation
    Journalist
    Religion
    Protestant
    Posts
    6,675
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10
    Thanked in
    10 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    There is evidence that Whites were in the Americas before Mongolians and Africans. The Declaration of Independence was drafted by White slave-owners, and does not recognise non-Whites as full men. To that end, America - if it is to survive as America - must rediscover it's racialist ethos;
    I think what matters most is not neccearly who got the Americas first but who has the capability of maintaining the highest Level of Civilization. That of course would be Whites and more Specifically those of North Western European Origin such as those who founded America and made it Great.

    THIS is the American culture [like that of Emerson and Pound] that is NOT Judaised - on this is the future to be built, not on the superficialties of commercial "success"!
    Commercial Success is the driving force behind American Capitalism and the base of the messed up Society we live in. Is it a suprise most of the Rich Industrialists looking for cheap labor who support Immigration both legal/illegal are Anglos? For Capital men will do anything in America and betraying the interests of their Race and Culture is no exception.

    Now see here! I am not Aryan! I have a bloodline going back to the Scandinavian royal dynasties before Christianity and if Aryanism was passed down, I would have been raised in it!!! Sure, we have cattle and some crops from western Asia etc., but that doesn't make all of the people west of the Urals/Caucasus Aryan.
    Hitler's use of Aryan has a whole different meaning than "Aryan" as the indo-european invaders of India who came from Iran.
    Last edited by Moody; Saturday, June 12th, 2004 at 12:21 PM. Reason: removed expletive

  5. #15
    Senior Member Moody's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Last Online
    Tuesday, July 10th, 2012 @ 09:18 AM
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    English
    Ancestry
    Albion
    Subrace
    Paleo-Atlantid
    Country
    United Kingdom United Kingdom
    State
    Essex Essex
    Location
    England
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Investigator of Souls
    Politics
    Pan-Germanic Nationalist
    Religion
    Runosophy
    Posts
    1,904
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9
    Thanked in
    9 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Hitler's use of 'Aryan' was derived from a particular Germanic interpretation of the Aryan hypothesis; this says that the Aryans who invaded India in the second century BC and created the civilisation of the Vedas etc., were Nordics, and their culture 'Indo-Germanic'.

    You can argue that Whites hold America by right of possession and development; but they may also hold it by right of 'here first', making a water-tight case.

    It is false etymology to try and connect Aryan and Semitic names by the wholly unscientific method of "sounds similar" (!).
    The name 'Jutes', for example, [cf., Jutland] is Aryan, and bears no relation to the Semitic name, Jews [cf., Judah].
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

  6. #16
    Account Inactive
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Last Online
    Wednesday, July 11th, 2018 @ 05:09 AM
    Ethnicity
    Ethnicity
    Ancestry
    Ancestry
    Gender
    Age
    36
    Posts
    2,129
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,488
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    128
    Thanked in
    106 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    The name Mary is not semetic, it is latin at best, meaning maritime, marine, mare of the sea. It is also a name used for marriage.
    James is related to games or gametes, meaning marriage and also the genetics term. Those are just two such examples of why you are wrong! Then, we have Elisabeth. It is a compound word. Elisa=Alice, a greek name, possibly related to Elysian. Beth is something I forgot, but I am sure there is a cognate in greek. Maybe beauty. Aha, Elysian Beauty!
    Last edited by Moody; Sunday, June 13th, 2004 at 12:31 PM. Reason: removed uncivil element

  7. #17
    New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Last Online
    Sunday, December 21st, 2008 @ 03:33 AM
    Ethnicity
    AMERICAN
    Ancestry
    OKOPK
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    United States United States
    State
    Missouri Missouri
    Location
    USA, BABY! CRAPLAND
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Nothin'.
    Politics
    Pan-European Nationalism
    Religion
    I dunno.
    Posts
    9
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Haven't looked at the forum in a couple of days, but I will respond none the less. There are always exceptions in cultural patterns and there are civilized decent Americans as well as the latter. But I don't understand why you consistently believe there is hope for America's future. Do you not see the American morals of cultural integration? I don't understand how a serious 'nationalist' can possibly support morals that are doing just the opposite. And of course there are serious irreverisble 'flaws' in European culture that cannot be changed. If you believe that Europe is a product of subtle 'Judiasation' unfortunately that is what European culture has become. That 'Judiasation' is European culture now, and it cannot be changed. If christianity is simply a product of Jewish culture, well, unfortunately Christianity is an important aspect of European culture now, and Christianity has influenced the products of Civilization. So this nullifies any 'Aryan' roots from the start, because those aspects have become unimportant. If you believe that Europe can be changed from this 'Judiasation' you would be reversing European culture back to its original state. Err... I'm starting to ramble. But all European countries are important to European culture equally, not just those of 'aryan' decent.

    Errr... I would also like to address how you measure success. Tell me, what is the point of trying to do something that will almost certainly never be successful? How do you expect to bring all of Europe to your beliefs, election? Military Coup? you have to adapt to be more realistic. Not to mention that NS is becoming obselete, just as pure Democracy is becoming. Errr.. I'll let you fight it out.

    There's alot of holes in this response, so try to stay objective. Thanks

  8. #18
    New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Last Online
    Sunday, December 21st, 2008 @ 03:33 AM
    Ethnicity
    AMERICAN
    Ancestry
    OKOPK
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    United States United States
    State
    Missouri Missouri
    Location
    USA, BABY! CRAPLAND
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Nothin'.
    Politics
    Pan-European Nationalism
    Religion
    I dunno.
    Posts
    9
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Errr... You say that we should 'appreciate' Aryan culture, I would also like you to explain what you mean by 'appreciate.' If you say 'appreciate' means that Aryan culture should govern the teachings and policies of a pan-European government, then that is false. Why should 'aryan' culture govern the laws on non-Aryans? Yes, we should appreciate Aryan culture. But there is a driving difference.

  9. #19
    Senior Member Moody's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Last Online
    Tuesday, July 10th, 2012 @ 09:18 AM
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    English
    Ancestry
    Albion
    Subrace
    Paleo-Atlantid
    Country
    United Kingdom United Kingdom
    State
    Essex Essex
    Location
    England
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Investigator of Souls
    Politics
    Pan-Germanic Nationalist
    Religion
    Runosophy
    Posts
    1,904
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9
    Thanked in
    9 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    The name Mary is not semetic, it is latin at best, meaning maritime, marine, mare of the sea. It is also a name used for marriage.
    James is related to games or gametes, meaning marriage and also the genetics term. Those are just two such examples of why you are wrong! Then, we have Elisabeth. It is a compound word. Elisa=Alice, a greek name, possibly related to Elysian. Beth is something I forgot, but I am sure there is a cognate in greek. Maybe beauty. Aha, Elysian Beauty!
    The names you refer to [Mary/James/Elisabeth] are all of Hebrew origin, and are attested in English usage only after the introduction of Christianity. Not surprising as they are all Biblical names.
    They are not, therefore, Aryan names.

    To Degenerate; In the conflict between Aryan and Semitic culture, Aryans would do well to choose the Aryan culture!

    Aryan culture is able to assimilate lesser cultures, so I do not take the view that one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.
    Also non-Aryan culture is often a piece of Aryanism that has been stolen and twisted into its opposite.
    Therefore non-Aryan values need to be reversed [cf., Nietzsche's 'transvaluation of Christian Values'].

    So the project of a KulturKampf is perfectly viable, and should be an on-going necessity. We should look at everything and say, 'how Aryan is this'? - and then make the appropriate adjustments.

    America is just a recent colony of Europe [like Canada, New Zealand, Australia etc.,] - the fact that it has achieved super-powerdom tends to exaggerate its importance culturally.
    Its Aryan aspects are still alive and can be revivified - after all, competing cultures, such as the Jewish and Negroid, cannot really compare with a cultural heritage which ranges back to Europa and the Aryans - the Makers of Civilisation.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

  10. #20
    New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Last Online
    Sunday, December 21st, 2008 @ 03:33 AM
    Ethnicity
    AMERICAN
    Ancestry
    OKOPK
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    United States United States
    State
    Missouri Missouri
    Location
    USA, BABY! CRAPLAND
    Gender
    Family
    Single adult
    Occupation
    Nothin'.
    Politics
    Pan-European Nationalism
    Religion
    I dunno.
    Posts
    9
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Perhaps these European 'colonies' do have Aryan roots, but the population of these colonies themselves deny it! They believe they are American, and I don't see how that can be ever changed. Also, you still didn't answer my comment concerning the degeneration of American culture. You can possibly expect a nation whose morals are built around cultural degeneration to be viable of a Nationalist movement. Thinking realistically, it doesn't matter who was in American 'first,' rather, it still wouldn't be fair today despite this to rule a culturally varied nation under an 'Aryan' regime. There would be total anarchy! Err... I hope you reconsider and include just Europe in your nationalist ideals. America has destroyed Europe, and it shouldn't be allowed to do it again. Europe must be seperated completely from American culture. And you can't just assimilate those 'bad-apples,' you must learn to accomodate them.

Page 2 of 8 FirstFirst 1234567 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. The True Meaning of "Gang Bangers"
    By Papa Koos in forum Articles & Current Affairs
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 12:52 AM
  2. Wu Ming on the meaning of the word "Communism"
    By Enlil in forum Political Theory
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: Monday, January 1st, 2007, 10:25 PM
  3. "Anti-Semitism is an Integral Part of Socialism"
    By Cole Nidray in forum Political Theory
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: Monday, August 28th, 2006, 09:15 PM
  4. What Did the National Socialists Mean by the Term "Aryan"?
    By friedrich braun in forum Cultural & Linguistic Anthropology
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: Monday, October 11th, 2004, 12:54 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •