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    Post The Meaning of "Aryan" and How it Applies to National Socialism

    "arisch"/"Aryan":
    This term was employed by the Nazis to denote the common racial component of the German peoples, free from other, alien, "Rassenerbgut"/"racial genetic blood". Apart from the Jews all native nom-European "races" e.g. the "negro" and the "gypsy", were seen as alien ("artfremd"/"foreign").
    The term non-"Aryan" included those with non-"Aryan", in particular Jewish, parents or grandparents. It was sufficient when one parent or grandparent was non-"Aryan". This was especially so when a parent or grandparent had been of the Jewish faith.
    The proof of "Aryan" descent ("Ariernachweis"/"proof of "Aryan" descent", or "Abstammungsnachweis"/"proof of descent" was to be furnished by the presentation of the documents of birth of preceeding generations.

    "Arisierung"/"Aryanization":
    The Nazi term for the expropriation of Jewish property and its transfer to non-Jewish ("Aryan") ownership. "Aryanization" was enforced by a series of laws and regulations, and the use of naked violence. "Aryanization" was also used to exert pressure on the "Jews" as an inducement for them to forcibly emigrate. Many of those "Aryanized" no longer possessed the necessary finances to emigrate.

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    "There's a new law. The names of publishers' readers have to be reported to the Propaganda Ministry. I can't send in the names of Paulchen Mayer and Franz Hessel, can I?"
    I said nothing, and he stared at me with visible dislike and distaste. He said:
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    The ash of his cigar dropped on to his thick thigh, and he did not even bother to brush it off. He said:
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    "Are you Aryan?"
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    His jaw dropped. Pearls of sweat appeared on his forehead, something that usually only happened when he ate several plates of pickled pork and carrots or gammon with haricot beans. I said:
    "I've consulted my encyclopaedia. Aryan is a philological term applied to linguistic roots. I'm not a word, am I?"
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    Exclamation The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Greetings,
    This is my first post and I'm going to be rather brief.

    1.) To begin with, I think we can all objectively accept that National Socialism is dead. National Socialism is dead meaning that the label "National Socialist" can no longer be used. National Socialism has been deamonized and has been fully dismissed as unacceptable by Western Civilization, so for any serious National Socialist, he will not label himself as a supporter of National Socialism.

    2.) The idea or belief in an "Aryan" race is not a proponent of the National Socialist idealogy, and one does not need to belong to an "Aryan" race to be a National Socialist.

    3.) "Aryan" is simply a technical classification describing those who are decendants of Indians who migrated to Europe, thus proving no signivigance or 'superiority'.

    4.) Described by Hitler himself, Jews are not a race, but a cultural group attempting to assimilate other cultures into its' own. Jews no longer prove signivigance to National Socialism, or Jews cannot have signivigance to National Socialism, so those who include this in their National Socialist teachings are also degenerate.

    5.) Signivigance must be shifted from degenerate beliefs, such as those concerns of "Aryanism" or those of the 'Jewish problem.' They are no longer a signivigant problem or concern to National Socialist idealogy.

    6.) These problems must be shifted to the concerns of preserving European or any other culture. Thus, National Socialist must prepare for the fight against Capitalism, which threatens to consume culture, and the United States, which is the largest "anti-culture"

    7.) Those who cater to the American degenerate culture cannot label themself as "National Socialist."

    8.) A National Socialist movement is absolutely not possible in American, and any such movement shall be labeled as a degenerate "Neo-Nazi" group.

    These our today's Natioanl Socialist concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degenerate
    Greetings,
    This is my first post and I'm going to be rather brief.

    1.) To begin with, I think we can all objectively accept that National Socialism is dead. National Socialism is dead meaning that the label "National Socialist" can no longer be used. National Socialism has been deamonized and has been fully dismissed as unacceptable by Western Civilization, so for any serious National Socialist, he will not label himself as a supporter of National Socialism.
    Yes, that's very true.

    2.) The idea or belief in an "Aryan" race is not a proponent of the National Socialist idealogy, and one does not need to belong to an "Aryan" race to be a National Socialist.

    3.) "Aryan" is simply a technical classification describing those who are decendants of Indians who migrated to Europe, thus proving no signivigance or 'superiority'.
    Actually, the Aryans were a people from eastern Europe and Eurasian steppes who contributed the spread of Indo-European languages by conquest. One of their conquests was India some 4500 years ago.

    Basically, the term is worthless for a real use, since not all Indo-European speaking peoples are connected to the 'Aryans' ( especially those in western Europe and Britain ) since they adopted IE through Celtic and other influences, and thus speak a different branch of IE.

    4.) Described by Hitler himself, Jews are not a race, but a cultural group attempting to assimilate other cultures into its' own. Jews no longer prove signivigance to National Socialism, or Jews cannot have signivigance to National Socialism, so those who include this in their National Socialist teachings are also degenerate.
    A political concept must be rid of all forms of 'display of hatred' towards any ethnicities, nations, ideologies, religions etc. An ideology based on hate for something can never be very stable, although it can attract masses, but also quickly repel the same masses once the times change.

    5.) Signivigance must be shifted from degenerate beliefs, such as those concerns of "Aryanism" or those of the 'Jewish problem.' They are no longer a signivigant problem or concern to National Socialist idealogy.

    6.) These problems must be shifted to the concerns of preserving European or any other culture. Thus, National Socialist must prepare for the fight against Capitalism, which threatens to consume culture, and the United States, which is the largest "anti-culture"

    7.) Those who cater to the American degenerate culture cannot label themself as "National Socialist."

    8.) A National Socialist movement is absolutely not possible in American, and any such movement shall be labeled as a degenerate "Neo-Nazi" group.

    These our today's Natioanl Socialist concerns.
    I agree.

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    1) National Socialism [N-S] is "objectively" alive; there are N-S groups all over the world following the N-S Way. How then can N-S be "dead"?
    That the enemies of N-S have demonised it is nothing new - that has ALWAYS been the case. The "civilisation" of the enemies of N-S is degenerate - N-S wants nothing to do with it.
    You contradict yourself - you say that a serious N-S will not label himself N-S: therefore you accept that there ARE N-S today, so N-S can't be dead by your own reckoning. It seems you only object to the name 'N-S' because the enemies of N-S have smeared it!
    The fact that the degenerate West continues to heap opprobrium on the name of Hitler and N-S shows that it is very much alive!

    2) The concept of an Aryan Race predates the formation of the NSDAP. However, the ideologists of N-S all came out of this school of thought. Of course, Aryanism is not solely the preserve of N-S, but all N-S would agree with the Aryan Race theory as it is part of their mythos.

    3) The Aryans are the creative culture Race; a white Race who spread out from their ancient homeland, carrying their culture and organisation to India, Persia, China, the Mediterranean and Europe including the British Isles.
    If one views culture as the most important aspect of life [and not money], then the Aryans are indeed superior.
    The Celts were Aryans too.

    4) Hitler described the Jews as a Race. Of course, other races have adopted Judaism in history, and the Jews have inter-bred with other races.
    The Jew is almost the antithesis of the Aryan; his culture is almost a reversal of the Aryan culture - therefore he seeks to subvert Aryanism. This is the inner logic of both polarities, and not the result of hate - although hate may result from it.
    The Jew has been attempting this subversion for at least the past two millennia and has now placed himself so high in the Western power establishment that it is no exaggeration to say that the West is now Judaised.
    Therefore, a movement based on opposition to Jewish influence - such as N-S - is more necessary now then ever.

    5) There is nothing insignificant or degenerate about these central N-S concerns of Aryanism and the Jewish Problem; they are both as real today as they ever were.

    6) I agree that N-S must now concentrate on a pan-European concern; that is fully in keeping with the development and evolution of N-S. But this must be done on the basis of an opposition to multiracialism.
    Of course, N-S has always been against USA style Capitalism and International Finance.
    You will find that the Jews are still at the forefront of capitalism and multiracialism.
    So the concerns you mention are nothing new to N-S.

    7) It is the Judaisation of American culture that has caused its degeneration.

    8) N-S is perfectly possible for European-Americans as they have shown.

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Degenerate
    1.) To begin with, I think we can all objectively accept that National Socialism is dead. National Socialism is dead meaning that the label "National Socialist" can no longer be used. National Socialism has been deamonized and has been fully dismissed as unacceptable by Western Civilization, so for any serious National Socialist, he will not label himself as a supporter of National Socialism.
    Certainly not in public, and probably not even in private. The vast majority of people consider 'National Socialism' to be synonymous with evil.

    2.) The idea or belief in an "Aryan" race is not a proponent of the National Socialist idealogy, and one does not need to belong to an "Aryan" race to be a National Socialist.
    I would say the focus should be on European racial and cultural preservation. What sort of political movements people who aren't of European race subscribe to isn't of direct interest to me.

    5.) Signivigance must be shifted from degenerate beliefs, such as those concerns of "Aryanism" or those of the 'Jewish problem.' They are no longer a signivigant problem or concern to National Socialist idealogy.
    Organized Zionist groups are a part of the problem, but only a relatively small part in my view. Blaming all of today's negative conditions on 'The Jews' is simply not empirically accurate, and sounds paranoid. Whether Jewish/Zionist culture has been adopted by the majority of elite figures who aren't Jews is another issue.

    6.) These problems must be shifted to the concerns of preserving European or any other culture. Thus, National Socialist must prepare for the fight against Capitalism, which threatens to consume culture, and the United States, which is the largest "anti-culture"
    Yes, if by 'capitalism' you mean globalist monopoly capitalism in its contemporary form. I would not exagerate the importance of the US, since the 'anti-culture' rooted there is shared by elites across the globe, including everywhere in Europe.


    8.) A National Socialist movement is absolutely not possible in American, and any such movement shall be labeled as a degenerate "Neo-Nazi" group.
    It is definitely not possible if it appears to be inspired by, or shows admiration in any way for Nazi Germany or Hitler. The vast majority of (North) Americans consider Hitler to be an iconic figure of incarnate evil, and there is not the slightest probability they will ever take any other view of him or of Nazi Germany. People who march around wearing Swastikas etc. simply turn themsleves into pariahs, and condemn themselves to permanent marginalization. This is hardly the basis for any sort of political movement.

    Actually, I think a sort of home-grown fascism is taking root in the US right now, at the highest levels of government. However, it is rooted in the Conservative Christian/America First movement, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Nazism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    Organized Zionist groups are a part of the problem, but only a relatively small part in my view. Blaming all of today's negative conditions on 'The Jews' is simply not empirically accurate, and sounds paranoid.
    Not only does it sound paranoid, it's also not practical.
    Any Jew can at any time change his surname, falsify his family tree and continue as he was.

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    The swastika is an ancient Aryan symbol - I am not going to allow an anti-Aryan elite to stop me from identifying with it!

    Telperion says; "Blaming all of today's negative conditions on 'The Jews' is simply not empirically accurate, and sounds paranoid. Whether Jewish/Zionist culture has been adopted by the majority of elite figures who aren't Jews is another issue".

    Surely, if it can be shown that Jewish influences have predominated in the areas of multiracialism, multiculturalism, internationalism and world capitalism of the last hundred years or so, then that is 'empirically accurate'.
    Of course, we who say this will be called 'paranoid' - but that's how they work: the smear.

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Surely, if it can be shown that Jewish influences have predominated in the areas of multiracialism, multiculturalism, internationalism and world capitalism of the last hundred years or so, then that is 'empirically accurate'.
    That depends on what you mean by 'Jewish influences'. I'm not sure to what extent it's possible to sort out which members of the elite are or aren't Jewish (for the reasons that AWAR points out), but my anecdotal impression is that most of them are not. Also, if they have rejected their own culture, is that the fault of the Jews, or is it their own fault? They weren't forced to do so at gunpoint, at least not in any Western country - the Jews may have encouraged them, but they still did it voluntarily. Therefore, they must bear the responsibility for doing so themselves. Nor is it clear to what extent the elite 'anti-culture' is specifically Jewish, as opposed to a sort of secular degeneracy of the sort one found in the declining Roman empire. My perspective, for what it's worth, is that our current elites and their anti-culture as a whole are the problem, and that's the view I would present to the public.

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    Post Re: The meaning of "Aryan" and how it applies to National Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    That depends on what you mean by 'Jewish influences'. I'm not sure to what extent it's possible to sort out which members of the elite are or aren't Jewish (for the reasons that AWAR points out), but my anecdotal impression is that most of them are not. Also, if they have rejected their own culture, is that the fault of the Jews, or is it their own fault? They weren't forced to do so at gunpoint, at least not in any Western country - the Jews may have encouraged them, but they still did it voluntarily. Therefore, they must bear the responsibility for doing so themselves. Nor is it clear to what extent the elite 'anti-culture' is specifically Jewish, as opposed to a sort of secular degeneracy of the sort one found in the declining Roman empire. My perspective, for what it's worth, is that our current elites and their anti-culture as a whole are the problem, and that's the view I would present to the public.
    The point is that the Jews haven't given up their own culture; they've had to exist in cognito among other cultures for centuries; outwardly conforming, while inwardly remaining Jews, but using their skills to subvert the host culture. THAT is how they inflict 'influence'.

    'Influence' applies to those who do the influencing and to those who receive the influence.
    And there are some who reject that influence.

    Generally speaking, in Europe, Jewish influence was largely resisted until the 18th century [although Christianity itself presents a problem in terms of its Jewish aspects]. With Cromwell we see the Jews being brought back into Britain, for example - they had been banned since 1290 [prior to that they had been brought into Britain by the Norman conquerors; notice the pattern?]; likewise, the French revolutionaries sought Jewish emancipation.

    What could this 'Jewish influence' mean? - internationalised finance, with the Rothschild brothers operating in Britain and France, thus cutting across national loyalties. The withered fruits of this Jewish influence are a well known and blight the world today.
    The creation of a world government presided over by the Chosen People, as befits the whole thrust of their religion. To that end the promotion of cosmopolitanism, multiculturalism and multiracialism.
    Look behind the pressure groups for the above movements and you will find Jews. Look how Jew-dominated Hollywood promotes these things in its movies etc., and makes the 'Nazis' [and rednecks] into an object of hate - even the liberal actor Marlon Brando called Hollywood Jewish, and look at the abuse they heaped upon him for daring to tell the truth.
    Look at the 'holocaust' and how this fits in with Jewish kabalistic thought - the 6 000 000 000 - etc.,

    So I contend that the anti-Aryan aspects of the victim culture, the equality/internationalist cosmopolitan culture, the movement of materialism and finance above all else, are all fairly obvious.
    Aryan culture believes in courage, honour, caste, racialism and spirit above matter - the very antitheses of those Jewish values referred to.

    True, the Jew's influence was due to Aryan weakness - and to Aryan good-will and naivity. But remember, by virtue of long being the Wandering Jew, he had perfected the black arts of infiltration and subversion.

    However, periodically the Aryan nations have cast out this Semitic anti-Aryan influence - and they will do again unless they become completely captured by it.

    That's why full-blown swastika waving N-S is necessary. Look how conservatives have been Judaised - the Neo-Cons!
    Good example of 'influence'; Jewish ideals, Jews and the influence they have on the Goyim!

    Last edited by Moody; Wednesday, June 9th, 2004 at 06:19 PM.
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