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    Germans Back to Russia

    Ghetto woes afflict Russian-Germans

    By Ray Furlong, BBC News, Berlin



    A new immigration law set to come into force next month may mean the end of a dream for hundreds of thousands of people in the former Soviet Union who had high hopes of a new life in Germany. The so-called "Russian-Germans" are descendents of immigrants invited to Russia by Catherine the Great in the 18th Century.

    Oppressed during the Soviet era, they were allowed to leave for Germany by Mikhail Gorbachev in the 1980s, and more than two million have done so. But Germany wants to stop the influx, concerned that the new arrivals are living in self-created ghettoes.

    In the Berlin district of Marzahn, for instance, there are 13,000 Russian-Germans. Russian newspapers are on sale at the newsagent, there is a shop with Russian food products, and at Saturday morning football the only language in the air is Russian. "This is a youth outreach programme for marginalised groups," says Wolfgang Zeiser, a community worker who organises the football.

    "The kids here have typical immigration problems, arrival in a new country where everything is strange: the language, the laws, everything."


    Uprooted


    The football is organised to keep the young Russian-Germans off the streets. Marzahn is an enormous high-rise estate dating from communist times - blighted by mass unemployment, drugs and crime. "It's terrible here. It's full of drug addicts because there's nothing to do," says 18-year-old Wilhelm Halster, in the street-slang he has acquired since coming here from Kazakhstan four years ago.

    "There's no chance of getting a job and there's nothing going on. So you just hang around and then go to a dealer to buy something. That's all we do." There is a whole generation of kids like Wilhelm: uprooted from their homes as teenagers, alienated in Germany.


    Violence


    The issue was recently brought to national attention by a dramatic court case involving a 21-year-old Russian-German accused of being a gang leader, whose drug-trade turf wars allegedly left a trail of cold-blooded murder across the country. These young people have very poor chances to get jobs or apprenticeships...

    The new immigration law coming into force next month puts strict language requirements on Russian-Germans and their family members wishing to come to Germany. "I think we are forced to do these steps, for we have problems with these young, not integrated ethnic Germans," says Cornelie Sonntag-Wolhgast, head of the German parliamentary committee responsible for immigration.

    "Most of those people who come now are young people who come with their parents and grandparents, and they are nearly unable to speak German." "These young people have very poor chances to get jobs or apprenticeships. So they don't know what to do. They are often aggressive or violent... and that's not good for integration at all."


    RUSSIAN-GERMANS


    Thousands moved to Russia in 18th Century
    Granted their own autonomous republic on the Volga River
    USSR banned German language during World War II and Stalin deported ethnic Germans east
    Two million ethnic Germans have settled in Germany since late 1980s

    But the Russian-Germans themselves feel they are being victimised by media stereotypes. They do not have a strong lobby to point out that there are also success stories in the community. At the Thueringer Oberschule in Marzahn, one in four of the pupils comes from the former Soviet Union. By what is called a "systematic orientation" towards their special needs, it has achieved success: 44% of them leave with good enough results to go on to grammar school.

    Alexander Reiser, formerly a journalist in Vladivostok, now a social worker in Marzahn, says the new law will have disastrous consequences. "Imagine the case of a 60-year-old ethnic German. He speaks German, but his Russian wife doesn't - it's unrealistic that she will learn," he says.

    "The same goes for the kids who have grown up in a Russian-speaking environment." "I also think of thousands of cases where parents will be unable to join their children who have already moved to Germany. Families will be divided."


    Language barrier


    Language is perhaps the biggest problem for the community. Speaking German was banned in Russia during World War I, and the community was further oppressed by Soviet dictator Josef Stalin. Around the corner from Alexander Reiser's office a small class of middle-aged Russian-German women grapple with verb conjugations, helped by Mariana Fox, a retired Russian teacher who lives nearby.

    "I want to help them speak their mother language," Ms Fox says. "They are our brothers and sisters. "They are German, they're not Russian. They can't speak the language because it was forbidden." The ladies here all have stories to tell of how difficult coming to Germany has been. Eliana Waitzin, 50, says she knew nothing about Germany when she came here two years ago.

    Her family had problems with papers, and also finding a flat. Another woman says her daughter-in-law, a qualified architect, is working as a cleaner. But her son has a good job as a sales manager - and her grandchildren are doing well at school. "They speak German perfectly. They speak a little bit of Russian, but only to me," she says.

    Some Russian-Germans feel let down by Germany, a land they came to hoping for a better life. But many Germans blame them for failing to adapt. After 200 years in Russia, this has been anything but a fairytale homecoming.


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    Post AW: Ghetto woes afflict Russian-Germans

    First of all, there are no "Russian-Germans" as there are no "Turkish-Germans".
    And most of those Russia-Germans nowadays are either fakes or Russians with less than 1/8 German ancestry.
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    Most "Russian Germans" Wishing to Return Choose Kaliningrad Region

    (Source: Daily News Bulletin; Moscow - English)KALININGRAD. Dec 14 (Interfax) - Most ethnic Germans from the former USSR, who now live in Germany and wish to go back to Russia under the voluntary resettlement program, are choosing the Kaliningrad region, according to the Kaliningrad regional government deputy minister for area development and liaisons with local authorities, Alexander Mezentsev said after returning from Germany, the regional government's press office said.

    He was attending a roundtable in Frankfurt-am-Main focused on the governmental program to assist fellow countrymen abroad to voluntarily resettle to Russia.

    According to Atlant, a public organization set up by Russian- speaking Germans in the federal land of North Rhine-Westphalia, around 4,000 people in this region said they wanted to return to Russia, and 90% of them chose the Kaliningrad region as permanent residence.

    "However, the program of resettling from Germany to Russia saw only four people arrive, another 14 applications are currently being processed," the press office said.

    One of the reasons why this is happening is because there is only one body in this German federal land, which is authorized to act under the program - the Russian Consulate General in Bonn. Another reason is insufficient information and counseling which does not allow potential resettlers to Russia to promptly receive answers to their questions about the program and participation terms and conditions.

    The article:
    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article...icleid/2880036

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    I think most of those who want to go back to Russia are no real Germans. Some of them only wear a German surname but are Russian to the bones. The fact that they´re handled as "Aussiedler" doesn´t change much on this matter. The heart matters, and if they can´t even speak proper German then it makes no sense to stay here. If they feel Russian than no one should hold them back.

    So they´re no big loss from my point of view.

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    I know there are Russians who pretend to be ethnic Germans, but those usually do it out of some kind of interest and if they have something to gain in Germany, they wouldn't return to Russia, would they? I think it's more linked to lifestyle than anything. Russian and German lifestyle are different and some might find it difficult to adapt to the situation in the FRG. It's not easy to move to a new country after you were born and raised in another and your family was there for centuries. I wonder why most of them are choosing Kaliningrad. It was an originally German city by the name of Königsberg. Is there a strong and influential German community there?
    THINK! It's not illegal yet.

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    No, there is nothing in northern East Prussia. I assume that they are looking for a way to reconcile their two identities in a culturally Russian place with German history. Perhaps one or two of them even see it as some kind of recolonisation effort. Their presence might turn out to be helpful, or not. I have thought about becoming a colonist myself, but it is really pointless without a full-fledged community capable of maintaining political resistance against the host country. The last thing I want for my descendants is that they become Russian Germans or worse, German-Russians in an American sense.

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    If the "Russian Germans" are the same as the "Russian Latvians" then it is good that they go! There is a lare " Russian-German"community near and they behave not nice and not German. Most of them look and behave like normal Russians and only some like real Germans.

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    As someone wrote on surnames. When a German Man settled in Russia in the 1600's and married a Russian woman, his children married Russians, Grandchildren married Russians and eventually all that was left was the surname.


    Likewise in Germany, some Germans have Polish surnames but that does not mean they are Poles, despite that one paternal Grandfather, the remainder of the persons ancestors have been ethnic Germans.

    The problem with the law of return is that it favored the people with these German surnames, who were not VD and had less than 2% German ancestry.

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    If the "Russian Germans" are the same as the "Russian Latvians" then it is good that they go! There is a lare " Russian-German"community near and they behave not nice and not German. Most of them look and behave like normal Russians and only some like real Germans.


    I've had enough experience with Russians (and Poles) in general to state that George Patton was right about them. We can't understand Russian no more than we can understand Japanese.

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    Germans were always in East Europe from the early days when the race expanded from its birth (from an Aryan root tribe) somewhere around southern Sweden. There were many tribes that spoke German and had German culture- entire cities of them. Then Eastward settlement created whole regions of Germans. I forget the name of the area but it was very far East along the Russian frontier. Russians were not too successful settling it so poor Germans wrestled the land from nature.

    Then when Germans attacked in WWII most of them were killed. I mean civilians destroyed to purge Russia of its German element. Also the Soviet Union purposely "integrated" people by moving them around and encouraging mixed marriages. They also forced everyone to speak Russian. Here these people had German culture and language for Generations and they were forced away from it. The oldest written Germanic language of Gothic comes from the East.

    But I mean some of the settlements were as late as the late 1800s. And some of the German blood dates back to the Vikings or before. There is a heavy Germanic element in East Europe- but it has just been diluted purposely by the Soviet Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Germans were always in East Europe from the early days when the race expanded from its birth (from an Aryan root tribe) somewhere around southern Sweden. There were many tribes that spoke German and had German culture- entire cities of them. Then Eastward settlement created whole regions of Germans. I forget the name of the area but it was very far East along the Russian frontier. Russians were not too successful settling it so poor Germans wrestled the land from nature.

    Then when Germans attacked in WWII most of them were killed. I mean civilians destroyed to purge Russia of its German element. Also the Soviet Union purposely "integrated" people by moving them around and encouraging mixed marriages. They also forced everyone to speak Russian. Here these people had German culture and language for Generations and they were forced away from it. The oldest written Germanic language of Gothic comes from the East.

    But I mean some of the settlements were as late as the late 1800s. And some of the German blood dates back to the Vikings or before. There is a heavy Germanic element in East Europe- but it has just been diluted purposely by the Soviet Union.
    The Soviet Union was not in the 1800s. It started in the 1920's. And most of the VD community had already left for the United States and Canada in the 1860's and 1870's. There was also another migration exodus after WW1 and during the Interwar Period.


    There wasn't a lot of VD left for the Soviets to dilute. Even though the Volga Germans received a lot of fame for their struggles in the Soviet Union, there were far more Volga Germans in the New World than in the old.

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