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    Lightbulb Is Fate a Reality?

    Okay, God is all-knowing, all-powerful. Since he knows everything that has, is, and ever will happen, we can come to the conclusion that fate is a reality. Since God knows everything, including the choices WE WILL MAKE, that makes fate true. Plus the fact that there is no Time in Heaven, he can see anywhere he chooses at any time.

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    Post Re: Fate

    Can God change anything, or is Fate impossible even for God to change?
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Re: Fate

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak
    Okay, God is all-knowing, all-powerful. Since he knows everything that has, is, and ever will happen, we can come to the conclusion that fate is a reality. Since God knows everything, including the choices WE WILL MAKE, that makes fate true. Plus the fact that there is no Time in Heaven, he can see anywhere he chooses at any time.
    Okay, then what is the intention of life?

    A question for you jesusfreak. Tell me... without god there is nothing. Then why has god created the bad and the dark side of life?

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    If God is all powerful, then why don't he change Fate?
    Or is God just a sadist who likes to see billions of his creatures suffer?
    Why can't God get rid of Evil?
    Surely Evil is just a part of Fate.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Re: Fate

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    If God is all powerful, then why don't he change Fate?
    Or is God just a sadist who likes to see billions of his creatures suffer?
    Why can't God get rid of Evil?
    Surely Evil is just a part of Fate.
    God knows everything... Then why has he created the devil? You would think that this is a game for god.

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    Post Re: Fate

    Good point but I have a better one. God gave us choice right. If there was no evil, then there would be no choice about which way your life would go. If there was no evil, you could only choose good. Get it? Without Evil, there is no choice about your life.

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    Post Re: Fate

    That contradicts slightly the first post you made;

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak
    Okay, God is all-knowing, all-powerful. Since he knows everything that has, is, and ever will happen, we can come to the conclusion that fate is a reality. Since God knows everything, including the choices WE WILL MAKE, that makes fate true. Plus the fact that there is no Time in Heaven, he can see anywhere he chooses at any time.
    According to you, there is Fate, and God knows in advance all the "choices" we are going to make. Therefore he KNOWS those who are going to 'chose' Evil.
    So he knows that the child molestor, the rapist and the race-mixer are going to make their crimes!

    An "all powerful God" that stands back and just watches PRE-ORDAINED crimes and suffering occur is not a "good God" but an EVIL one!
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Re: Fate

    I never said that the evil will not be punished and the good will not be comforted when evil strikes. and anything that happens is meant to happen and will work out as it should.

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    Post Re: Fate

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak
    I never said that the evil will not be punished and the good will not be comforted when evil strikes. and anything that happens is meant to happen and will work out as it should.
    Let's agree that some Evil is punished [although does God's Evil go unpunished?]; isn't it true that many innocents suffer?
    Aren't innocent women raped?
    Aren't innocent people tortured, maimed and murdered?
    Aren't races eradicated?

    God, according to you, KNOWS all about this as it is Fated; not only that - being "outside of time" - he can 'drop in' like a time traveller and watch the butchering of innocents at any time in history!

    Is God an Evil-doing sadist who likes to watch human suffering for his own entertainment - suffering he has ordained and could CHANGE [he has the power] if he only WANTED to!

    The excuse that some Evil doers suffer [and they were Evil out of Fate] punishment [and this God does so LOVE to punish!] does not wash!

    By your depiction, God has seemingly created this world to enjoy the sufferings and the punishments of mankind, all of which HE HAS CREATED!

    Your "God" is nothing but the Devil in disguise!
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Re: Fate

    People have free will and choices. They do what they will, God simply knows what they are going to do. He does not control what they do, although he could if he wanted. I don't see you doing anything about it yourself anyway. And seeing as how I do not know God's plan, I am unable to answer that question. Would you like to explain to me yourself why the world is not perfect harmony.
    "Give thanks to the Lord, call on his name;
    make known among the nations what he has done.
    Sing to him, Sing praise to him;
    tell of his wonderful acts.
    Glory to his Holy Name;
    let the hearts of those who seek the Lord rejoice.
    Look to the Lord and his strength;
    seek his face always.
    Remember the wonders he has done,
    his miracles and judgements he pronounced."
    -I Chrinicles 16:8-12

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