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    Ancestry Attracts, but Love Is Blind

    ScienceDaily (Nov. 20, 2009) — People preferentially marry those with similar ancestry, but their decisions are not necessarily based on hair, eye or skin colour. Research, published in BioMed Central's open access journal Genome Biology, shows that Mexicans mate according to proportions of Native American to European ancestry, while Puerto Ricans are more likely to settle down with someone carrying a similar mix of African and European genes.

    Neil Risch, from the University of California, San Francisco, worked with a team of researchers to study the effects of ancestry on partner choice in Mexicans and Puerto Ricans living in their own countries or in the USA. The subjects came from The Genetics of Asthma in Latino Americans (GALA) study, conducted by Risch's UCSF colleague, Esteban Gonzalez Burchard. Risch said, "Latin America provides a unique opportunity to study population structure and non-random mating, due to the historical confluence of European, Native American and African racial groups over the past five centuries. We found that assortative mating, that is partner choice based on a shared ancestry, is very common in these populations."

    Quite how our DNA influences our desires remains mysterious. Risch and his colleagues did not find that geography or socio-economic status could explain the ancestral influence on romance, and factors like hair, eye and skin colour individually only had a minor role. According to Burchard, "Certainly physical characteristics, such as skin pigment, hair texture, eye color, and other physical features are correlated with ancestry and are likely to be factors in mate selection. However, the spouse correlation for these traits and the correlation of these traits with ancestry were actually below what would be required to fully explain the phenomenon."

    The researchers not only found similar ancestry patterns between the pairs of spouses, they also found the imprint of many generations of such assortative mating in the genomic architecture within each individual, in that there were non-random associations of genes whose frequency differed between the original ancestral populations.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1119193807.htm

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    Nothing new, in Europids there is a correlation between f.e. nasal shape in profile and mating. This is from R. Knussmann (1996) to show the effects of partner selection because of facial details:



    wellig = wavy
    gerade = straight

    If combining this with preferences for body shape, height, educational and economic position etc., you get an idea of partner selection on a statistical base.

    The main problem being contraselection, because the positive and negative combine and whereas in the past the positive ones would have had more surviving offspring, reaching fertility and procreating, today the opposite is true, since the higher standing variants more often stay childless and rarely have more than 2 children if at all.

    This way, in every generation, the higher standing couples with more favourable genetic and sociocultural traits mate, getting not enough children and so on, with the opposite happning for the bottom end of the spectrum and the lower intermediates in particular, which means a constant deterioration latest since early modern times, in some areas since Medieval times and the end of "blood laws" and tribal warfare.

    So if somebody is saying, things will come out good for us, because there is partner selection: NO, because probably, statistically, fitting couples mate more often, but they have less children...
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    Attraction isn't done in a logical sense, its mostly subconscious. For instance people might have a list of all the things they like in a mate and find somebody who ticks all their boxes but they don't feel any attraction towards this person. Also you can have opposites who attract.

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    A lot of this is location. Your neighbor is more likely to be similar to you. Some of it is like attracts like. Opposites usually don't attract unless it is compensating something. A short person seeking a tall person because they don't like their shortness. Races mixing because they think racially mixed is ideal (or white wants to be more black, black more white etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Races mixing because they think racially mixed is ideal (or white wants to be more black, black more white etc.)
    Though the propaganda and "image" in the mass media and society play a role, because like one mulatta singer said in a TV-interview in Germany: "Before Hip Hop, the other children laughed at me, with Hip Hop, being colored became cool..."

    However, people always found attractive individuals in other people and they were always ready for sexual intercourse.

    Thats not even the question, since neighbourhood and chance produces such incidences, unless there are strict rules with hard punishment and even then - well, without spacial separation, race mixture will happen and is in a way natural, for males even more so, because they dont lose to much if having one sexual affair and spread their genes...

    Yet the really pressing question is, why people really plan a partnership with an individual of another race, which racial characteristics are very different from the own:
    1. The image of the foreign element is good in the own culture, f.e. Europeans were whiter than some Pacific islanders and among the latter a brighter skin was considered attractive and noble, they were also sexually "more Liberal" in a way and therefore accepted males which were not just foreign racially, but also much below their general level of attractiveness.
    This can be directly related to a blond Nordid being the lover of a Hip Hop star or something like that, or an obviously more attractive black male having an older, very corpulent white bride, because in his culture light-fat is more worth than in Europe - image and status prevalent in society can influence the personal preferences of course.

    One thing we can hear from the same direction are white females saying, that the "mulatto children are so cute" and this is an additional argument to accept a Negroid as a fix partner to them - I heard that more than once actually...

    2. The foreign individual comes so close, that they "touch the heart", so they see rather the person than the race, which implies no primary mating because of appearance.

    3. The own partner value in the group is so low or considered so low, that the person tries to find a better partner in a foreign group, in which money, being European or related things give them the opportunity to grasp a partner above their perceived partner value. Ideal examples for that pattern are Asian mail order brides for frustrated European males or tall-lean Africans for European wives on the sluttish and/or very fat end of the spectrum.

    4. Simply the fact that the individual, though foreign in race, has significant qualities which would count in all groups if there are no rules or prejudices working against it. There are such obvious cases with individuals which simply are above the average standard of any race, therefore being highly demanded in all races too. There is no anthropologist f.e., which didnt called at least one example of a woman from a very foreign race VERY attractive - and at that time we deal with people which were not used as much to a foreign appearance, so they had still "bigger racial glasses" for estimating another race' qualities so to say.

    5. Even foreign racial elements might show details which are similar to the partner. F.e. details like those I mentioned, of the nose, eyes, facial proportion etc. Thats perfectly possible, it really depends on the individuals in question and I even saw f.e. a mulatto and an Asian person which had very similar facial traits actually, even though being not related in any way by their racial heritage. Therefore in such rather rare cases, because chances are higher for homogamy and similarities among the own people, the search for specific "related clues" can lead to a racially foreign, yet in some respects similar, spouse.

    6. Status and money are always means to get a partner of course, especially for males one might add. Therefore males with a perceived higher social status will always be attractive to females in general or specific females in particular, no matter which race they belong to.

    If the phenomenon is prehistorically, historically and recently fairly common, we have to look at the real causes rather than to draw back to oversimplified prejudices.

    Simple put: The only secure and lasting way of racial seggregation is spacial separation, which means the best solution is to form states along ethnoracial borders - f.e. in the USA too, rather than to blend everything into one body of people or to try to establish racialist laws, which won't last forever nor are they very natural in their approach.

    Of course its not that easy to write down all factors leading to this phenomenon, but here are just some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    5. Even foreign racial elements might show details which are similar to the partner. F.e. details like those I mentioned, of the nose, eyes, facial proportion etc. Thats perfectly possible, it really depends on the individuals in question and I even saw f.e. a mulatto and an Asian person which had very similar facial traits actually, even though being not related in any way by their racial heritage. Therefore in such rather rare cases, because chances are higher for homogamy and similarities among the own people, the search for specific "related clues" can lead to a racially foreign, yet in some respects similar, spouse.
    This is something I noticed too. I don't know if this makes any sense, but most individuals in a give sub-race don't exactly look like carbon copies of each-other. That being said, I have noticed that there are certain "looks" that are common to more than one sub-race. There could be a Baltid/Alpinid/Dinarid mix, for example that looks similar to an true-to-life Atlantid, in terms of the vibes they give off. One could be stocky and the other one could be lean and tall, but both give a similar impression. I have always found the given sub-racial groups inadequate when trying to explain such phenomenon. Why is it that a Pole can resemble a Welsh person, for example? Only coincidence?

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    I have seen examples of this in my own life. My Polish women is always saying how similar I look to her now departed grandfather. I haven't got any pictures of her dad to post but he looks much more Nordid-Borreby? or even Sweedish/Germanic with strong CM and I think her grandfather was more so (way more so than my women and her brother who look partly Baltid due to their mother). Any genuine shared genetic heritage would be a long way back but yet she is always saying we match and she likes my smell (pheromones?).

    I am a closer match to her than other Polish (I know you will be thinking she is not a closer match to me than other English but there you go). Is this then maybe also a pheromone thing?


    Side note: I think you may find that the birth rate among the economical top in the UK has gone way up in the last 10 years for some reason. They seem to be having 4 or 5 children (this is the rich upper middle class I am talking about).

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    This is interesting... and I always wondered about it...

    The fact in my case is... the man I've been in a long relationship with also has some German ancestry... I found out about that later... But what chances are in a non-Germanic country to find someone with German ancestry?

    I also had a crush (that lasted many years) on another individual with German ancestry... looking back at it now I realize that, but back then I wasn't thinking about it.

    Ideally for me would be to find someone of Germanic ancestry (as much as possible). Now I am aware of it and I'm conscious about this preference.

    I tried relationships with guys who didn't have any Germanic ancestry, or at least not something they were aware of, and it didn't last...

    I feel like now I'm in a perfect place to find an ideal partner for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Víđálfr View Post
    But what chances are in a non-Germanic country to find someone with German ancestry?
    Depending on the country but often probable very low. My mom was lucky to get good Swedish man.

    Of course moving Germanic country is always one option.
    I was Sweden at New Year time. My cousins ''teased'' me by saying that next time I'm coming .... there will be Swedish guys waiting for me (they are planning to act like one kind of cupidos?). That was (probable) ''a half joke'' ... of course...but yes ... they would like see me moving to Sweden. We are close and come along very well. Maybe so as I don't have brothers or sisters and we are ''same age''. In any cases it's their turn to come here next .... among many things .... the table hockey rematches are waiting.

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