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    Vikings in South America?

    Vikings in south america?





    (A)Runes on the 'coiffure' of a statue from San Augustin, Columbia. (B) Runes found on a Nazca urn, Peru, followed by their 'normalization'.


    The American archeological establishment admits that the Vikings made it as far as Greenland and probably had a settlement in northeastern Canada at L'Anse aux Meadows; but the Kensington Stone, the Newport Tower, Oklahoma runes, etc., and other evidence of further penetration into the New World are viewed with approbation, even contempt. Nevertheless, the latest number of the Belgian journal Kadath is devoted entirely to Viking (hyperboreene) contacts in South America! Now that's a far piece from Greenland.

    This long article (40 pages) is replete with photographs, interpretations, and translations of runic inscriptions found in Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay. It is impossible to do justice to this mass of inscriptions here, but we will reproduce one of the figures below.
    (de Mahieu, Jacques; "Corpus des Inscriptions Runiques d'Amerique du Sud," Kadath, no. 68, p. 11, 1988.)

    Comment. To American anomalists, the frustrating part of this whole business is the need to go to foreign-language journals to escape the prison of archeological orthodoxy. South American runes are rarely mentioned in American archeological journals, and we doubt that the treasure house of material just presented in Kadath will make much of an impression on this side of the Atlantic. Why risk one's career for a few scratches on South American rocks?

    From Science Frontiers #62, MAR-APR 1989. © 1989-2000 William R. Corliss


    http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf062/sf062a02.htm


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    Thanks for the post, Dagna. Very interesting. Do you know Thor Heyerdahl conducted some research into the oral indian tradition in south America relating the coming of white bearded men across the sea. The indians thought they were gods. I haven't studied the topic and this is the little that I remember.

    What do you think about the Kensington stone? You're a Minnesotian of scandinavian origin? Cheers to you!

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    I think it was originally Richard K. Hoskins (Our Nordic Race) who proposed the idea that the Mayans and Aztecs and Incas became advanced civilizations for their time because of a band of Norse made their way down to Mexico and South America and became rulers over the indigenous people and introduced their technology of the time to them.

    In Meso-American mythology there are white-skinned gods who once dwelt among the people. Perhaps these were a group of Norsemen.

    Also, an excerpt which Richard K. Hoskins used in his argument:

    "The Inca Indians had their great empire in this mountain country when the first Spaniards came to Peru. They told the Spaniards that the colossal monuments that stood deserted about the landscape were erected by a race of white gods which had lived there before the Incas themselves became rulers. These vanished architects were described as wise, peaceful instructors, who had originally come from the north, long ago in the morning of time, and had taught the Incas' primitive forefathers architecture and agriculture as well as manners and customs. They were unlike other Indians in having white skins and long beards; they were also taller than the Incas. Finally they left Peru as suddenly as they had come; the Incas themselves took over power in the country, and the white teachers vanished forever from the coast of South America and fled westward across the Pacific."
    (Thor Heyerdahl in his book, Kon-Tiki; excerpt found in R. Hoskin's Our Nordic Race, page 17.)

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    So this Hoskins guy suggests that the pyramids and great cities of stone found in Central America can be linked to the pyramids and cities of stone found in in ancient Scandinavia... Oh wait a second. I don't know if I buy into this theory.

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    Even if there was a race of white men who instructed the ancestors of the Inca's and such, I doubt these were Norsemen, since we're talking pre-historic times then.

    Concerning the article Dagna posted: it's over twenty years old; I guess not much new has been discovered since then. Also, while the marks on number B indeed resemble runes, I think those on number A look nothing like runes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartljos View Post
    So this Hoskins guy suggests that the pyramids and great cities of stone found in Central America can be linked to the pyramids and cities of stone found in in ancient Scandinavia... Oh wait a second. I don't know if I buy into this theory.
    Okay, albeit, there aren't any grand pyramids and of the likes in Scandinavia, but then I'm also skeptical of a primitive people such as those found in Mexico and South America as having raised these pyramids and temples themselves.

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    Don't believe the Vikings made it to South America. If there were legends of "white gods" they weren't inspired by the Norse; there were already apparently cities and states in the Andes (Wari, Tiwanaku) before Leif Eriksson landed in North America.

    While pre-Viking Scandinavians may have reached North America to fish (and may have introduced pottery to the Indians of the Northeast, as the well-known American archaeologist Alice Kehoe has suggested), it is highly unlikely that anyone from northern Europe got as far as Central or South America in those days.

    The Phoenicians may have accidentally landed in South America in the course of one of their voyages around Africa. (Winds and currents make it quite likely in fact, especially if one considers how Cabral made it to Brazil from the west coast of Africa). As it appears that the Phoenicians sailed as far west as the Sargasso Sea, and were familiar with the Canary Current which flows south and west along the North African coast, it would not surprise me if landfall was made in the Caribbean using the same route as Columbus.

    If there was outside influence on Mesoamerican and Andean societies, it was far more likely to be from East Asia than from Northwestern Europe. Some people have suggested that the Olmec and Chavin cultures were influenced by contact with Bronze Age Chinese, and the pottery of the Japanese Neolithic Jomon culture (which seems to have had affinities to the earlier and later Pacific maritime societies) may have influenced that of the Ecuadoran Valdivia culture.

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    off interest

    I remember that they discovered a skull in south america and it was a expected murder case and the skull of the deceased was classified as northern european when they did a date check on it the person checking it fell of his chair in suprise as its date was 10.000 years old. They asked the Indians about this in there mythology it was stated that a white red haired men dressed in white bought a culture to them and also that on a ship they passed through heading south. This was also applied to the arabian civilisations dating back 4000 years ago. It appears after the ice age that a advanced culture of people existed again a man dressed in white this race would appear to the Vanir. Does the runes on the pot come from the same date?

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    There is a book called "Survivors Of Atlantis- Their Impact On World Culture" by Frank Joseph that lays out quite undeniably that the Central and South American cultures of the Incas, Mayan, Aztec, Toltec, etc....all have their origins and faith linked to the "White Bearded Gods Who Came From The Sea" after a great deluge, and who game them the gift of civilization. These "gods" were clearly the survivors of Atlantis, and these "gods" also settled into areas of Northern and Central Europe bringing with them an ancient form of magical script later known "runes". While the Vikings were amazing seafaring warriors who accomplished truly astounding feats of navigation......I think it is safe to say that the true origins of this find may lay in a source much more ancient and enigmatic than some intrepid, yet off course Norsemen in the 13th century.
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    I have always thought that Atlantis was a reference to the Minoan civilization of Thera (Santorini) which was destroyed in one of the biggest volcanic eruptions in the past 10,000 years- Plato seems to have known of it via Solon, who had visited Egypt and consulted their records (the Minoans were major trading partners of the Semitic Hyksos, who ruled Egypt when Santorini erupted about 1628 BC.)
    As for the runes, they probably derived from the Etruscan alphabet, which possibly spread to the Germanic peoples via intermediaries in northern Italy over the amber trade routes.

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