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    Post Websites, Articles, Books on the Existence of Race

    From Scientific American.

    Thought it was an interesting article, and I figured y'all would appreciate it.

    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa...BAA83414B7F0000

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    Websites, Articles, Books on the Existence of Race

    I ran in to an ole friend of mine, who I was surprised to find had become a 'Nordic priest'. Somehow, he has come to belive in both the Norse religion, and that "it's been proven races do not exist". Apparently some anthropological group put out a study 'proving' that races do not exist.

    I didn't even know where to start, when talking to him. Is anyone familiar with this 'study' and any refutations to it?

    - jelling

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    Post Re: Refutations to 'race does not exist' ?

    That is the common belief in most anthropological studies from the late 60's till today.

    I do not know which work he referred to, but you can find some information in the link below.

    The Decline of race in American physical anthropology

    It is just that there is a great degree of variation and there are no absolute boundaries. Nevertheless, we can still see physical differences, and offspring are not exact copies of their parents. Thus, we will always have people who are slightly different. But it should be obvious that isolation and interbreeding in smaller communities lead to specialisation, features become emphasised or a new type is formed. This or that trait is more common in one group of people than in another. In the study of anthropography a race is basically a group of people who are more similar within than to the neighbouring folk stocks. It is based on an average of collected data, individuals in one group may come closer to the average of another folk stock. Types are idealised by their convergent set of features and pigmentation characteristics. The real variation is more complex. Eugen Fischer (1923) defined anthropography "as the synthetic treatment, and the descriptive presentment of the separate anthropological groups (species, races, varieties) of extinct and living man".

    The three stages of anthropological inquiry are:

    1. Collecting material,
    2. Analysis and inductive working-out of the material,
    3. Methodical formulation of the results obtained, the conclusions draw, and the problems immediately arising therefrom.

    These three stages of operation are called: 1. "Material", 2. "Working", 3. "Interpretation".

    One should be wary about presuming things on insufficent grounds. Various data influence statistics, such as mistaken diagnosis and incorrect data. The scientific value of each figure must be demonstrated. To demand induction you also need complete publicity and that is not always the case.

    There is no use to write down thousands of measurements and indices without the actual process of induction. Libraries are crammed with figures but they can only be of value if they are properly consulted.

    There are phenotypical differences that usually (but not always) follow the clines between ethnic groups. Huxley and Haddon (1939) advocated such a concept for race.

    It is difficult to use population genetics in comparison with the knowledge about morphological types. A very long time ago, before scientists began any wide scale genetic research on humans, Dutch anthropologist Nyèssen (1923) wrote "especial reserve should be used in adopting conclusions from parallel sciences".

    Nyèssen (1923) wrote a passage that I believe we should follow, "We have institutions for investigating the soil and the rivers, canals and ditches by which it is traversed. Every sand-hill has been most carefully measured, diligently studied. But no interest is taken in the study of man himself, who conquers the air with intrepidity, and drives the mineshaft in the the bowels of the earth. Only when laid on a bed of sickness, is he considered worthy of special attention".

    I believe that is true humanism, and understanding our anthropological background is part our emotional need, inasmuch it is following a God or religion.

    Anthropology is the systematic, ordered continuity of problems, presumptions and true judgements, connected and bound with the physical and psychical (some disagree, e.g. Martin did initially) of man as a hominide, and his characteristic agreements with, and differences from those akin (species and races) to him.





    Quote Originally Posted by jelling55
    I ran in to an ole friend of mine, who I was surprised to find had become a 'Nordic priest'. Somehow, he has come to belive in both the Norse religion, and that "it's been proven races do not exist". Apparently some anthropological group put out a study 'proving' that races do not exist.

    I didn't even know where to start, when talking to him. Is anyone familiar with this 'study' and any refutations to it?

    - jelling
    Last edited by Glenlivet; Friday, April 16th, 2004 at 12:44 PM.

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    Post Re: Refutations to 'race does not exist' ?

    Another interesting read is Rushton's 'Is Race a valid taxonomic construct?', a relatively short PDF-file that can be downloaded for free from http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org...cconstruct.pdf

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    Post Re: Refutations to 'race does not exist' ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Another interesting read is Rushton's 'Is Race a valid taxonomic construct?', a relatively short PDF-file that can be downloaded for free from http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org...cconstruct.pdf
    The link doesnt work for me.
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    Post Re: Refutations to 'race does not exist' ?

    Try this: http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org...cConstruct.pdf


    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    The link doesnt work for me.

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    Post Re: Refutations to 'race does not exist' ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    The link doesnt work for me.
    I'm sorry; I didn't realise the website was case-sensitive. It should've been http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org...cConstruct.pdf

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    Question Does "race" exist?

    I have recently got into a quarrel (on an internet forum) and I need evidence to support the theory that "race" exists. Will all individuals with links that support the biological conept of "race" post them in this thread? :biggrin:

    This may make a good "Sticky" later if there are enough replies.






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    One needs not to be a scientist to see the difference.

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    Yes, race exists. Everyone can see the differences between white, yellow and black races, one doesn't need to be a scientists to see the differences, only a pair of eyes is needed.

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