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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen View Post
    But what about the Saxons of Widukin ? the subject of Olaf II of Norway ?
    Weren't they a little "pushed" ?
    Certainly. I believe my argument holds, however, if we invoke one additional concept: the right of conquest.

    The Christian Germanics were able to conquer and forcibly convert their heathen neighbours. What conquest is, essentially, is the expression of Will. The Christians, in expressing their superior Will, demonstrated that, in a sense, Jesus is a superior god of war to Odin, whose followers were unable to resist.

    Heathenism failed in the most important sense; self-preservation. As such, it belongs in museums, not in our lives. The only reason it currently exists is that it lives under the protective shield of secular humanism. It's much more a cute antiquity than a real religion.
    In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.
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    "right to conquest" "Jesus is a superior god of war to Odin"
    Sorry as a Christian I disagree with that.

    This would means that where Mohamed was "superior" to Jesus christian should have just shut-up ?
    I doubt the Copts and Armenians would share the muslim "right to conquest"

    I won't compare Jesus and Odin because 1st I would have to prove both exists...but I can compare christianity and the "nordic paganism" of those times.

    Of course Christianity was much attractive to the poor, the old, the weak.
    Which girl wouldn't prefer the protection of a covent rather than "playing the game of which warrior will rape me first"
    The "paganists" (I use the "ist" as a suffix for pagan extremISTs, integrISTs) that required human sacrifice where of course less popular than monks for those chosen to be sacrificed.

    In these precise cases (stopping raiders, rapers, murderers) the Just War
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_War
    as defined by the Catholic Church would apply. But it would not be a right, it would be a duty.

    And in fact even Odin would have give victory to good non-believer against his bad believer deceived by Loky.
    On the other hand inside the Varangian Guard, some pagans fought on the good side.
    They would even do a form of "human sacrifice" but we cannot speak of victim as the girl is much more committing suicide of of sorrow (just like Brynhild joining Siegfried in the flames)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_f...an.27s_account


    Question to today's nordic pagan (expecially women):
    Do you really think that a Walkyrie virgin would have taken to Walhalla a pagan raider that would have rape several nuns and novices before dying in a brawl with other drunken guys ?

    Question to today's Orthodoxe:
    Assuming Walhalla doesn't exist.
    Few pagans did the last stand at Constantinople before the Turcs invaded Greece and change children into janissaries brainwashed to kill their parents.
    Would these pagans join the christian they protected or go to Hell ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians#Varangian_Guard

    Question to all Christians and even Jews
    What about the pagan German that fought alongside the christian Gauls & Roman against the hunnic scum around Chalons ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...launian_Plains
    Wouldn't the angels get the souls forgotten by the Walkyries ?

    Pagans love their children too.
    (except those sacrificing them like Moloch worshiper)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen View Post
    This would means that where Mohamed was "superior" to Jesus christian should have just shut-up ?
    I doubt the Copts and Armenians would share the muslim "right to conquest"
    The Muslims believe in allowing Christian communities to continue to exist. However, yes, I would consider it completely reasonable for them to force conversion upon the Copts and Armenians, and I while I would obviously prefer not to be conquered by Muslims, if I was, I would indeed convert.

    The god of Muhammad has, however, not proven superior to the god of the Bible, yet, and so any talk of conversion to Islam is silly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen View Post
    Question to all Christians and even Jews
    What about the pagan German that fought alongside the christian Gauls & Roman against the hunnic scum around Chalons ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...launian_Plains
    Wouldn't the angels get the souls forgotten by the Walkyries ?
    What makes the Huns "scum"? Yes, there were brutal conquerors who swept across Europe, but you can hardly blame them for being that badass. Blame the Europeans for not fighting hard enough against them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen View Post
    Pagans love their children too.
    (except those sacrificing them like caanite)
    I don't want to start an argument about human sacrifice in this thread, but I have to comment here. Human sacrifice can be a useful spiritual tool because we love our children. That's why it's a sacrifice. When put in the proper mental and spiritual context, pain and strife are regenerative.

    If the Canaanites didn't love their children, it wouldn't have occurred to them to sacrifice them.
    In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardito View Post
    What makes the Huns "scum"? Yes, there were brutal conquerors who swept across Europe, but you can hardly blame them for being that badass. Blame the Europeans for not fighting hard enough against them.
    Sorry I don't have the english version
    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livier_de_Marsal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPd_hm9uF8A
    To summarize, the attacks of the Huns on Metz ended in totally razing the city. Before that Saint Livier of Marsal (salt reserve of Metz) did the last charge and manage to kill the hunnic commander of the siege.
    Then Metz was fully destroyed except (Miracle !) the chapel of St Etienne (Steven) where later Brunhild (the "historical valkyrie") & Siegbert would marry.
    Forced to deny the Christ, he refused & got beheaded.
    According to the legend, he recovered his head, put in in another place where a spring came out.Terrified, the Huns left the place and took the road of Chalons and their doom.

    Metz would later be the capital of Austrasia. One of the hunnics tribes would come later (perhaps Avars). Siegbert after defeating them would behead all the corpes and put the heads on pikes, faces turned to where they come: "Don't even look inside my kingdom !"

    So you will easily understand why in Austrasia (Lorraine, Sarre, Luxembourg, Walonnia) everyone consider the Huns as scum..

    By the way Huns were not conquerors. They just destroyed everything so that the survivors had no choice but joining the horde to raid further.
    (This explain why some germanic tribes fight at their side, like the greek slave-warrior of Xerces against Leonidas)
    They have vanished from History, just as they appeared. Even the inhabitant of "Hun"gary call themselves Magyar and not Hun.

    Look how many german tribes (Franks, Visigoths, Burgundians, Alani, Saxons ) fights with the Empire and the latest celts (Armoricans) against the horde.
    Even the Sarmatians & Alani nomads joined !
    It should have really look like the Pelennor Fields in Lord of the Ring.

    I don't know if their was an instinct to for for the god of "Original Germanic Monotheism" but at least Riesen, Untier, Demons, Giants, Jotunn,... or whatever you call them were the Huns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardito View Post
    If the Canaanites didn't love their children, it wouldn't have occurred to them to sacrifice them.
    Sorry you're right, I confused with the Ammonites which are only a part of the Canaanites.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

    I apologize to the good Canaanites who may have read that

    Your conditions:
    "When put in the proper mental and spiritual context, pain and strife are regenerative." applies to a WILLING sacrifice, like the mate of the Viking Warlord or our Christ.

    Hard to presume of that for little children.
    Even among the pagan Franks the duty to "sacrifice on battlefield" was only after 14 years old.
    "Sacrifice" of badly shaped born children to the wolves among some Germanic tribes were not to "regenerate" the parents but to prevent a life of suffer and pain and keep more food for the children with more chance to survive.

    A kind of after-birth abortion which would have no sense in the time of echography & amniocentesis which give the society enought ressource left to take care of the few diagnostic error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen View Post
    So you will easily understand why in Austrasia (Lorraine, Sarre, Luxembourg, Walonnia) everyone consider the Huns as scum..
    Yes, I understand exactly what the Huns did in Europe. My argument is that we should blame the Europeans for not being good enough at defending themselves, rather than blame the Huns for being so good at conquering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen View Post
    Sorry you're right, I confused with the Ammonites which are only a part of the Canaanites.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

    I apologize to the good Canaanites who may have read that
    I was defending the practice of human sacrifice in my post, and was unaware that only some Canaanites did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardito View Post
    That's certainly an interesting perspective.

    One could, however, take it a step further and say that since our ancestors converted to Christianity, we should honour their decision and also worship Christ.
    Yours is also a valid objection, but the flaw is that Christianity was forced on them; it was not an organic religion. No, not all resisted by force of arms, but the point is in what they created by themselves, and as we can see, that was Paganism. It took an external force from Rome to bring Christianity to them - it was not an idea they developed themselves.

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