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    "Germans Stick to the Ethnic Definition More Than Any Other European Nation"

    "Germans Stick to the Ethnic Definition More Than Any Other European Nation"

    Germany's real problem isn't "honor" killers or skinheads. Instead, what keeps this increasingly diverse nation from gaining a strong sense of social cohesion is its self-made confusion over what it means to be German in the first place, Gregory Rodriguez writes in a great article in the Los Angeles Times.
    He quotes Barbara John, professor of European anthropology at Humboldt University in Berlin, who says: "We stick to the ethnic definition probably more than any other European nation." He writes:
    Indeed, long before Germany's terrible experiment with ethnic supremacy during the Nazi years, Germans had a narrow view of themselves as a people. Unlike, say, the French, who acknowledge that their culture and language derive from the Romans and that they are akin to other Latin peoples, the Germans see themselves as unique.
    What he (and many others as well) wonder about: Have the Germans learned from the nazi-period and World war II?:
    Even after World War II, when West Germans did everything in their power to rid their culture of chauvinism and racism, they left intact a citizenship law that was based on blood kinship rather than on place of birth. That meant that the children of Turkish guest workers, born in Germany, were not automatic citizens, yet an ethnic German from Romania whose family had never resided in contemporary Germany was.
    (...)
    It wasn't until 2000 that a more open citizenship law took effect. In arguing for a territory-based notion of citizenship, then-Interior Minister Otto Schily proclaimed that Germany needed to rise above "the destructive principle of ethnocracy."
    Six years on, Germans are only beginning to differentiate between their ethnic and civic identities. Ethnic Germans still tend to look on non-ethnic Germans as auslander, or foreigners. Even the media, when they acknowledge minorities as German citizens, use tortured phrases, describing someone as a "Turk who carries a German passport," for example. Not surprisingly, such marginalization has negative consequences.
    Rodriguez believes that the shaping of Germany's future identity lies in popular culture. He mentions a popular sitcom "Turkish for Beginners," and Turkish-German novelist Feridun Zaimoglu who says:
    "The truth is you can't talk anymore of a foreign population and a native population, as if they were enemies. As I understand myself, I am a German," Zaimoglu says. "I love my country, but I don't make a Wagner opera out of it. I don't try to define what it means to be German. I just live it."
    >> read the whole article in the Los Angeles Times

    http://www.antropologi.info/blog/ant...hnic_definitio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix View Post
    Even after World War II, when West Germans did everything in their power to rid their culture of chauvinism and racism, they left intact a citizenship law that was based on blood kinship rather than on place of birth. That meant that the children of Turkish guest workers, born in Germany, were not automatic citizens, yet an ethnic German from Romania whose family had never resided in contemporary Germany was.
    And that this isn't a specifically 'nazi' thins is a surprise? It's common sense. A pig born in a stable isn't a horse.

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    Instead, what keeps this increasingly diverse nation from gaining a strong sense of social cohesion
    ... is increasing diversity and the imposed ban on any political system that maintains social cohesion and reduces diversity.

    is its self-made confusion over what it means to be German in the first place
    No, it was made by the US along with the FRG itself.

    Indeed, long before Germany's terrible experiment with ethnic supremacy during the Nazi years
    It is astonishing that someone finally gets it right. German Nationalsocialism was not meant to cater to feelings of superiority of White Americans over Black Americans, it was meant to shape the German folk into a body stronger than any other.

    Unlike, say, the French, who acknowledge that their culture and language derive from the Romans and that they are akin to other Latin peoples, the Germans see themselves as unique.
    As indeed we are.

    What he (and many others as well) wonder about: Have the Germans learned from the nazi-period and World war II?:
    Not yet, but when we have, I am confident that we will perform more efficiently and perhaps even secure victory this time.

    Even after World War II, when West Germans did everything in their power to rid their culture of chauvinism and racism,
    Traitors to the German cause, trying to profit from Western domination.

    That meant that the children of Turkish guest workers, born in Germany, were not automatic citizens,
    It was considered a sign of neo-Nazism to suggest that those "guest workers" would never leave. It has only been within the last decade that all democratic parties have adopted this neo-Nazi position as if it had been self-evident from the very beginning.

    yet an ethnic German from Romania whose family had never resided in contemporary Germany was.
    That is the beauty of it.

    Six years on, Germans are only beginning to differentiate between their ethnic and civic identities.
    I have noticed this as well. It seems to me that some Germans are increasingly confused about their identity and imitate foreign concepts of Whiteness, like any other trash they watch on TV.

    Ethnic Germans still tend to look on non-ethnic Germans as auslander, or foreigners. Even the media, when they acknowledge minorities as German citizens, use tortured phrases, describing someone as a "Turk who carries a German passport," for example.
    More accurately, it is a "Turk who carries a FRG passport".

    As I understand myself, I am a German," Zaimoglu says.
    Non-Germans often have trouble to understand what it means to be German and such idiotic claims are not necessarily malicious. They are wrong, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    It was considered a sign of neo-Nazism to suggest that those "guest workers" would never leave. It has only been within the last decade that all democratic parties have adopted this neo-Nazi position as if it had been self-evident from the very beginning.
    It certainly is strange to call someone who stays in Germany long enough to start a family a "guest worker". Guests usually return to where they came from after their job/vacation is completed. But I suppose it is also a sign of neo-Nazism to wonder why they don't return.

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    Los Angeles ? one big racial chaos where every race hates each other.

    Both the neo-cons and the liberal/left winged world in the USA think they can rule the world and say how other people in other lands must live.

    Or how about the race and immigration laws of Mexico where Gregory Rodriguez comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resist View Post
    It certainly is strange to call someone who stays in Germany long enough to start a family a "guest worker". Guests usually return to where they came from after their job/vacation is completed.
    That is how it started out, but the affected companies soon complained that it is not profitable enough if new people have to be trained after the old guest workers were rotated out of the country.

    I find it bizarre when people pretend that the Turkish plague has been brought here for humanitarian reasons. They are here for much of the same reasons that Negroes are in the US, which is only fitting if we consider how much the Allies wanted us "to learn our lesson" and imitate their dead end way of life.

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    "Germans Stick to the Ethnic Definition More Than Any Other European Nation"
    Yes we do, but multiculturalists can be happy because it has been changing. Terms like German Jews or German Muslim appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Yes we do, but multiculturalists can be happy because it has been changing. Terms like German Jews or German Muslim appear.

    In a way I see this as still somewhat good as it still seperates them from us.GermanJew,GermanTurk, There is nothing German about them I know, and I think it shows that in plain site by having Turk or Jew or Muslim attached.
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    It is human nature to identify a nation with members of one's own ethnic group. On one hand you have a society whose people have been united by blood, language, and culture for countless millenia, and on the other a system where all manner of foreigners and racial outsiders are included in that aforementioned homogeneous nation by force. What right does an immigrant or their offspring, European or otherwise, have to identify with a people to whom they are wholly alien; with whom they have no historical links? It is nonsensical on the most basic of levels.

    The concept of an ethnic nation is not a phenomena unique to Europeans, far from it. Every racial and ethnic group around the globe has practiced this approach, from Amerindians, to Africans, and, ironically, the Jews, who have maintained a remarkable level of racial homogeneity, despite spending the better part of 2,000 years in Europe, by shunning mixture with outsiders. The "social cohesion" that this article highlights as an ends to embracing a civic nation is completely contradictory; cohesion and stability are attained through purity. Attempting to mongrelise the German nation and people through forced acceptance of non-Germans will not instill a feeling of unity, except amongst the most brainwashed of left-wing activists on a Holocaust guilt-trip. This brings me to the final point.

    As usual, the ideologically-motivated academics and media have dug up the Holocaust and racial policies of the Third Reich as justification for lamenting the continuing existence of a German ethnicity. This is my sole point of discontent with the National Socialists; their legacy consequent to defeat has provided an unlimited amount of ammunition for the world Jewish lobby, pro-multiculturalists, anti-racists, anti-fascists, and so on. Any attempt at forming a dedicated, workable preservationist movement ends before it starts through comparison to alleged Nazi atrocities. The same goes for those who dare voice their opposition to multiculturalism and "diversity". I have, however, noticed that, slowly but surely, the propaganda value of the Holocaust and horrors of WWII is diminishing. Nationalist and preservationist parties and grassroots movements are continually moving into the mainstream, and the wider public is embracing these movements which were previously utter pariahs. One can only hope that the citizenry of Germany and other applicable nations will continue to become cognizant of the slowly-progressing death of their nations, and at a greater rate than those lost causes who happily embrace a cultureless, bastardised future for their country and people.

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    it is allways germans who are the bad and evil guys. We know why.

    For us and any who awakes to that nightmare it is the jews. As long as one doesn't identify the real culprit of that crime again ethnicities as long nothing is really changing it.

    For me that is good news what is written in the article. Germany was or is one of the nation the 'reeducation' runs rampant. If they can't get it through there than it works nowhere. It is also obvious that germans pay lipservice to the marxist partyline of mixing and therefore destroying the germanethnicity while through their action it is vastly different.

    Those marxist mythmakers are on the losing end of their scam. Antisemitism is rising rapidly. it doesn't take long to undo the crap those jews put into the minds of unsuspecting people. Ethnicity is a strong natural force and will stay thus. In the end they won't be able to beat it.

    I hope they disappear from this earth in the breakdown of their scams.

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