View Poll Results: Should psychological violence in marriages be banned?

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  • Yes, it is abuse and it should be prevented as much as possible. By law if necessary.

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  • No, because there is no way to prove it.

    4 11.43%
  • No, I don't see shouting and nagging as 'abuse' of the partner. It's a liberal exaggeration.

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  • No, because the government has no right to meddle in people's relationships.

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    Should Psychological Violence in Marriages Be Banned?



    France did it:

    Married couples in France could end up with criminal records for insulting each other during arguments.

    Under a new law, France is to become the first country in the world to ban ' psychological violence' within marriage.

    The law would apply to cohabiting couples and to both men and women.

    It would cover men who shout at their wives and women who hurl abuse at their husbands - although it was not clear last night if nagging would be viewed as breaking the law.

    The law is expected to cover every kind of insult including repeated rude remarks about a partner's appearance, false allegations of infidelity and threats of physical violence.

    Police are being urged to issue a caution in the first instance, but repeat offenders could face a fine, a restraining order or even jail.

    Critics said the measure was a gimmick produced in response to lobbying by feminists and would be impossible to implement.

    But French premier Francois Fillon, who announced the law, said: 'The creation of this offence will allow us to deal with the most insidious situations - situations that leave no visible scars, but which leave victims torn up inside.'

    Many believe the offence will be impossible to prove. Psychologist Anne Giraud said: 'Squabbling couples will allege all kinds of things about each other, but often it will be a case of one person's word against the other.'

    Sociologist Pierre Bonnet said: 'The next step will be to make rudeness a criminal offence. The police and courts will be over-stretched trying to deal with numerous cases.'

    A spokesman for Mr Fillon said the law was supported by the government, and was likely to be implemented within six months.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...marriages.html

    Should it be done, do you think? Too many pros or cons? I think it's impossible to prove. Even if you bring a 'witness', s/he could as well lie for you.

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    Its totally idiotic and its not by chance it appears in Frace, where the justice being lost in all the divorce cases. It ends with partners being alienated, now even "criminal" and a lot of money being used to pay the lawyers which abuse the situation and make up a "crime scene" out of every split and divorce.

    Otherwise the Scandinavian system is crap, but what being practise f.e. in Denmark is much more reasonable if its about divorces than whats being done in France.

    To try to regulate everything in a partnership by Liberal-individualistic laws being born out of a sick mind.
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    Psychological abuse can be just as bad as physical violence, but since it leaves no visible marks, abusers can get away with it and I don't think the law will be able to change that. The smartest thing people who are abused could do is get out of the relationship asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frau Holle View Post
    Psychological abuse can be just as bad as physical violence, but since it leaves no visible marks, abusers can get away with it and I don't think the law will be able to change that. The smartest thing people who are abused could do is get out of the relationship asap.
    You have to think about the consequences of such laws. They allow a corrupt state to go deep inside every family, every persons life!

    This means even more control and surveillance of the people, their total re-education in the way the Pseudoliberal sate with its totalitarian approach wants them!

    We become just slaves of the Plutocratic Oligarchy and take away every freedom and mean to defend oneself.

    As you pointed out yourself, such couples should split up anyway!

    Everybody should be free to decide whether he or she accepts this or that behaviour of the partner. You can't start to make your partner a criminal before the law after accepting his behaviour for 10 years, just because of a temper of the moment.

    If someone isnt happy with the partnership, its the first thing to do to speak with the partner, if that doesnt help, just split up - No. 1 choice.

    Your decision and should be done in a civilised manner, like in Denmark etc. mediation being a good way to solve that, no lawyers and big money being spend on a "justice case", in which both partners being almost forced to fight each other like low animals.

    The whole Liberal-Individualist approach is just sick and this pseudoliberal approach will just lead to more control of and hate between the people, nothing else, never it can be a solution to the problems partners have!

    If you like to have cameras for your child, microphones on your working place, mobile phone and computer being controlled and you being subjected to the rules of the "mind police", welcome to the Orwellian state of the Plutocratic Oligarchy.

    No thanks!

    Just another step to social engineering and control on the next level for the needs of the plutocrats.
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    I think it's a tough case. I agree that psychological violence shouldn't be underestimated. Another question is what about when children are involved and what happens when they witness it. One of my friends grew up in a household where parents shouted at each other and quarreled very often. She turned out emotionally unstable, stressed out, a bit traumatized. For this reason she can't have a relationship where her boyfriend shouts, because she is too sensitive about it. If he shouts at her, she will become even more labile.

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    If France is going to pass a law like this why dont they go ahead and make it illegal to get married.Better yet make it illegal to be or act human.

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    Yes, it should be banned. Not the occasional nagging, but the constant, prolonged psychological abuse. If you ban physical abuse, you should also ban psychological one, because they go hand in hand. Why must a woman have to wait until her husband beats the living soul out of her until she can get a restraining order against him? Physical violence is usually preceded by emotional abuse. And what about those bitches who take advantage of the feminist society to constantly abuse their husbands? I'm glad this law takes women's abuse of men into consideration too.

    The ones who don't want the law to interfere in their relationships shouldn't get married, i.e. commit by law. And it's not so easy to leave a relationship just like that if your partner is abusive. The government should be responsible to protect the family unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokies Domain View Post
    If France is going to pass a law like this why dont they go ahead and make it illegal to get married.Better yet make it illegal to be or act human.
    Don't forget about all the dirty cases and surveillance methods "to prove" the crime! Testimony vs. testimony, husband vs. wive, children in between, the humiliation, the state interference, the money and even worse conflict of the partners.

    No, that doesnt solve anything, social engineering at its worst to compliment those which can laugh about the stupid European people, who even buy that crap as some sort of progress...

    The government should be responsible to protect the family unit.
    At best you could speak of the individual, never "the family unit", because its exactly a law against the family unit, nothing else. In a family unit you solve things on your own, thats a Liberal-Individualist & Control State approach. Has nothing to do with the protection of a family.
    And in the end, if its about relationships, people have a responsibility on their own. Its not necessary to make the whole social life a surveillance and control case, just because some aren't able to care for themselves, since those won't change their status anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Everybody should be free to decide whether he or she accepts this or that behaviour of the partner.
    How would such laws prevent that? If both are happy with the relationship, even if it's abusive, they won't make legal complaints, simple as that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    At best you could speak of the individual, never "the family unit", because its exactly a law against the family unit, nothing else. In a family unit you solve things on your own, thats a Liberal-Individualist & Control State approach. Has nothing to do with the protection of a family.
    And in the end, if its about relationships, people have a responsibility on their own. Its not necessary to make the whole social life a surveillance and control case, just because some aren't able to care for themselves, since those won't change their status anyway...
    BS, there are plenty of people who don't get out of such relationships, because they're scared or psychologically blackmailed by their partner, and they keep their children there too. And there's nothing they can do to stop their partner from being abusive. If people did such a fine job at protecting their families themselves, the degeneration we have nowadays wouldn't reach such levels. The government should step in to correct it when ordinary people do a crappy job at it.

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    Fair enough, Agrippa made a point. Could you please add an extra option to the poll, "No, because the government has no right to meddle in people's relationships"?

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