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    Viking Attacks on Europe Were Self-Defence, Scholar Writes

    A new theory about what drove the Vikings to raid Western Europe in the late eight and ninth centuries has been published. It suggests that the Vikings in Denmark were reacting to a threat from the Carolingian ruler Charlemagne, who was seeking to destroy their society and impose Christianity on them
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    In a podcast interview, Ferguson adds the goals of Charlemagne were to force the Saxons "to abandon their culture, political system, beliefs and everything, and make them part Christians and part of his empire."

    Ferguson notes an episode of "ethnic-cleansing:" when, in 782, Charlemangne's armies forcibly baptised and then executed 4,500 Saxon captives at Verden, a town close to Denmark. The Danes would have been well aware of what was happening with the Saxons anyways, as Widukind was married to sister of the Danish king, Sigfrid, and often took refuge in Denmark to escape the Carolingians.

    Considering the situation, Ferguson writes, "Should the Vikings simply wait for Charlemagne's armies to arrive and set about the task? Or should they fight to defend their culture?"
    More: http://medievalnews.blogspot.com/201...were-self.html

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    Verden is a small town close to Bremen. It is hundreds of miles away from modern Denmark. That the killing went as a story to Denmark is pretty sure.

    We all know Charlemagne is harem and fake christianity. He most likely was a half-jew through his mother's line.

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    Since when is it necessary to justify war as "self-defence"?

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    Just War theory is a doctrine of military ethics of Roman philosophical and Catholic origin studied by moral theologians, ethicists and international policy makers which holds that a conflict can and ought to meet the criteria of philosophical, religious or political justice, provided it follows certain conditions.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_War

    Even though this blog entry is dressed up as being apologetic, it is in actuality another way of pushing Christian and post-Christian mindsets into a context where they have no relevance. It does not matter whether the Vikings attacked in self-defense or in acts of aggression. War waged in favour of one's kin is inherently moral.

    It is, however, imaginable that pressure from the south favoured centralising and unifying tendencies in Scandinavia, an ideological arms race that began with the Roman-Germanic wars in southern Germania and consequently spread through intra-Germanic power struggles.

    Athough the result was a large-scale victory of the Germanic peoples over their neighbours and the consolidation into large power blocs, it came at a steep price, namely their deformation into Europeans.

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    Unfortunatley Charlmagne was a legal christian criminal working for the Roman mission of Catholic church to christianify an judify the heathen world first to their conversion after deastroying all heathen and pagan temples and resistance then to place a lovely un payable tax on the poor farmers and kin folk of the northern europe which was a lovely way of screwing the poor and all the cash then went to the synod church and its criminal priests and zion so it could pay its criminals to conquer and subdgate the pheasants every where in europe. This reply to this contrived convertion and attack was the warrior terror weapon unleashed by the followers of the power of odinn and there was a pheasant uprising that resulted in the fury of the north men where all christian artefacts and churches were burnt and every body executed. It was a clever j trick to exterminate the saxons previously converted from heathenism this resulted in 2 aryan races killing each other off very clever . And ended in a sorry state of affairs more good blood spilled for the sake of a evil semetic manifestation. There is no more horrible a truth than history read an though shall awaken. I hope the idiots of today have awakened but alas I think not. Education of all the northern people and bring them under one race will build a great empire what a lovely thought. Let the semites kill each other off for its a well due in karma thats where ur lovely camel herder comes into play but unfortunatly for the idiots of today history repeats itself and we the poor folk will once again become a victims to this religious madness. So its time to collect in numbers and build a private army in each nation against this pestilance. But me thinks it will be only talk and there will be no warriors to fight. For there is only a few war like people left the rest is dross and with that you can do absalutley nought. But breed with the critters and become one of them and then turn into a degenerate faceless weak human without strength or courage and another ugly manifestation on the face of the earth that goes with the rest of this s..t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arvak View Post
    a pheasant uprising
    What a scary thing to contemplate..




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    How does this excuse attacks all over the British Isles, into the Russian steppe, into Asia, into Africa, and into America?

    It is a valid reason against Charles' Empire, but I do not see how it defines a trend of Viking superiority in the world. And if not for it, advances in militia and castles would have never been made. The Viking raids were benefits to Europe for evolving our defence and the result of a high period in Nordic existence. We colonised and explored the world more similar to the ancient empires and it is under appreciated - instead being degraded to articles like this that make it seem cowardly and out of fear.

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    Whoa! I'm as much of a Viking lover and researcher as everyone else here, but I really think we are going off a limb here to call Viking raids "self-defensive" attacks, considering the Vikings were...uhh...oh, pirates! Now if it was the Norse people alone organizing to defend themselves. That's just what I think.

    Oh, 100th post

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    I would not even call it piracy. Every other medieval state did the same, they were just not as good with logistics.

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    And once more, a scholar publishes a "new theory" or "new finding", the hypothesis of which we already considered as likely to be true several years beforehand. That there is a link between the Verden incident/massacre and the later Viking Raids is obvious to a blind man's eye.

    However it did not start in 782 with that attack, it all actually "started to brew" as early as 772/773, so both events are merely important landmark points in the brewing conflict but Verden nor Lindisfarne were the first of their respective kind. For instance, the arguably first Viking attack was either in 787 or 789 in Portland, Essex.

    In 772, Norway was actually allied to Charlemagne in a war against the Danes when he ordered to have the Irminsul destroyed. Upon hearing this, they "changed sides" and instead fought against Charlemagne as well. Much before this we have Boniface chopping the Oak to Donar near Geismar. So the Massacre of Verden was only one catalyst after a bunch of provocation.

    It is noteworthy that there was peace between 780-782, and that the new conflict between 783-785 ended with Widukind's baptism and peace resulting. Widukind's forced baptism could also be understood as a further provocation, with his links to Denmark this could have also helped to upstage a revolt.

    Interesting is also the Westphalian uprise against Frankish rule 792, this could have perhaps aided the Scandinavian revolt and raiding to become bigger-scale and routine. Whilst we have very little conclusive evidence pointing towards that way, we would certainly see several times in history that an uprising in one region led to an uprising in another region. (Farmers' Uprising 1525/26, Revolution of 1848, etc. pp.). And certainly we have the Westphalian uprise followed by that of the other Saxon groups (Eastphalians, Nordalbingians 793-794, Engrian rebellion 796), so why not extend that to include Scandinavia in scope?

    I haven't read the article yet, I hope that nothing of what I've said is redundant.
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    I don't think the Viking raids was as organized as to say they were a preemptive strike. The Norse people lived in small individual groups based on farming areas. IMO not all the Norse went raiding at once, just small groups at a time. Their attacks were swift and by stealth, avoiding large armies.

    Technologie was main reason the Vikings went raiding, they had developed the long ship which could sail in open seas or up rivers. With this Long ship they could raid and flea at will. while other people in Europe were pretty much land based.

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